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The source as above (MOL talking to Simon Binns)
Oh God, I've never paid for sex in my life, am I really so old-fashioned guy? From my point of view, the most obvious difference lies in the approach to this issue. The sex need not to be a service (or should not if you ask me) and can (should) happen at no cost. In contrary, using the typical airport services ought to be paid for by the airline or at least by a sponsor, if available.
Kind of off-topic, sorry.
We know you have to pay for sex and you have to pay to be at Manchester Airport too.
Kind of off-topic, sorry.
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Government high speed rail plan ‘total nonsense’ : Gatwick Airport News Stories
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Originally Posted by thebusinessdesk.com
return to Manchester Airport just 17 months after it pulled the majority of its routes was due to a more positive attitude from its new management team, according to the airline's chief executive Michael O'Leary.
"I think the old lot didn't really know how to grow and presided over traffic declines for the last couple of years.
"There's a new team in place now who realise that they've lost out to places like Liverpool, Birmingham and East Midlands - all of which have been growing rapidly with Ryanair services."
The Irish budget airline has opened new routes to Alicante, Faro, Tenerife and Madrid from Manchester and increasing the frequency of its Dublin service from four to six flights per day.
Ryanair said that the routes will bring in 600,000 passengers, creating 300 jobs.
O'Leary added that based on last year's passenger numbers at the airport of 17.5m, the extra passengers Ryanair will bring will allow it to grow visitor numbers for the first time in several years by 4% "at a stroke".
"Two years ago Manchester refused to deal with us on the grounds of prostitution. Well, the good news is we're all back in the sex industry."
Ryanair will compete on three of the routes - Faro, Alicante and Tenerife - with existing operators easyJet, Jet2 and Monarch. However, Madrid-Manchester is a route which hasn't operated since BA Connect's service between the two cities ceased in 2007.
O'Leary has also set his sites on the tour operator companies flying passengers out to the Mediterranean.
He said that he did not believe the routes would cannibalise sales from existing routes at Liverpool, Leeds-Bradford or Birmingham, stating that the airline's passenger numbers increased from 66m to 72m this year and expects to increase in its current year to 78m. It will also take delivery of 40 new planes this year.
"The deal is worse than last time but we're not delivering as much growth as we were. We're paying higher costs now but the traffic numbers we have to deliver are lower. I think it's a fair arrangement.
"We've always recognised that Manchester is an expensive airport. It's not a Liverpool."
He added that Manchester faces different sets of challenges as a major international airport in how it integrates lower fare operators like Ryanair into its offer alongside some of the premium, long-haul carriers.
However, he said that the management team led by new chief executive Charlie Cornish and managing director Andrew Harrison had worked with the airline on identifying specific routes and markets such as the Western Mediterranean.
"The strategy is tell us what routes you want to grow, incentivise us to do it and we'll grow those markets.
"I hate to damn them with praise but we've at last got some management here who want to grow the airport."
"I think the old lot didn't really know how to grow and presided over traffic declines for the last couple of years.
"There's a new team in place now who realise that they've lost out to places like Liverpool, Birmingham and East Midlands - all of which have been growing rapidly with Ryanair services."
The Irish budget airline has opened new routes to Alicante, Faro, Tenerife and Madrid from Manchester and increasing the frequency of its Dublin service from four to six flights per day.
Ryanair said that the routes will bring in 600,000 passengers, creating 300 jobs.
O'Leary added that based on last year's passenger numbers at the airport of 17.5m, the extra passengers Ryanair will bring will allow it to grow visitor numbers for the first time in several years by 4% "at a stroke".
"Two years ago Manchester refused to deal with us on the grounds of prostitution. Well, the good news is we're all back in the sex industry."
Ryanair will compete on three of the routes - Faro, Alicante and Tenerife - with existing operators easyJet, Jet2 and Monarch. However, Madrid-Manchester is a route which hasn't operated since BA Connect's service between the two cities ceased in 2007.
O'Leary has also set his sites on the tour operator companies flying passengers out to the Mediterranean.
He said that he did not believe the routes would cannibalise sales from existing routes at Liverpool, Leeds-Bradford or Birmingham, stating that the airline's passenger numbers increased from 66m to 72m this year and expects to increase in its current year to 78m. It will also take delivery of 40 new planes this year.
"The deal is worse than last time but we're not delivering as much growth as we were. We're paying higher costs now but the traffic numbers we have to deliver are lower. I think it's a fair arrangement.
"We've always recognised that Manchester is an expensive airport. It's not a Liverpool."
He added that Manchester faces different sets of challenges as a major international airport in how it integrates lower fare operators like Ryanair into its offer alongside some of the premium, long-haul carriers.
However, he said that the management team led by new chief executive Charlie Cornish and managing director Andrew Harrison had worked with the airline on identifying specific routes and markets such as the Western Mediterranean.
"The strategy is tell us what routes you want to grow, incentivise us to do it and we'll grow those markets.
"I hate to damn them with praise but we've at last got some management here who want to grow the airport."
TFS flights are operated by TFS based plane - not sure on the rest.
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Ryanair hopes to land 5 MILLION extra passengers at Manchester Airport
The boss of low-cost airline Ryanair has revealed he is in talks with Manchester Airport to introduce new routes which could see up to five million extra passengers flying out.
Chief executive Michael O’Leary was speaking just a day after the M.E.N. revealed that the carrier had struck a multi-million pound deal with the airport to introduce thousands of budget flights.
He says the next step is to base his planes at Manchester – which would mean dozens of new routes and more cut-price tickets. It would also create additional jobs – on top of the 600 already promised.
Mr O’Leary said: "This will be incremental growth but we are growing like gang-busters.
"The challenge for us is that we still don’t have a base here. There’s the possibility of opening up a base but it’s important for us not to run before we can walk.
"We’ve been here before and fallen out but hopefully at the end of the summer we will be announcing more growth at Manchester and if we were looking at a base it could be between three and five million passengers annually."
Take-off: Cut-price flights and jobs bonanza as Manchester Airport lands Ryanair deal
The current Ryanair deal, understood to be worth at least £3m a year, will bring 600 jobs and 600,000 passengers to the region. The move – with new routes to Alicante in Spain, Faro in Portugal, Tenerife and Madrid, as well as increased frequencies on its existing Dublin service – will boost traffic at Manchester by between four and five per cent a year.
It is also expected to trigger a price war between other low-cost carriers. EasyJet, Jet2, bmibaby and Flybe already fly out of Manchester.
The return of Ryanair at Easter marks an extraordinary U-turn as it comes less than 18 months after the airline pulled out, sparking a war of words with airport bosses.
Andrew Cornish, who was the airport’s managing director at the time, famously hit out at Ryanair, saying Manchester had refused to ‘prostitute’ itself to keep the carrier.
It is understood that the Dublin-based airline had been demanding to land for free – it had previously paid £3 per passenger – but in return it would bring in 28 new routes the following summer.
Although Mr O’Leary says both parties have ‘moved forward’ and the relationship has been repaired, he issued a warning shot to airport chiefs.
He said: "I’d like us to continue to grow but we will take it step by step. If the costs go up, we would not hesitate to pull flights."
He also described the recession as ‘fantastic’ for his airline, saying it was not true that people had stopped flying but passengers were now more budget-conscious.
The carrier will move to Terminal Two and the majority of its flights will operate at off-peak times – commanding cheaper landing fees. But it is hoped the agreement will boost revenue in the terminals, with extra passengers spending more money in the shops
The boss of low-cost airline Ryanair has revealed he is in talks with Manchester Airport to introduce new routes which could see up to five million extra passengers flying out.
Chief executive Michael O’Leary was speaking just a day after the M.E.N. revealed that the carrier had struck a multi-million pound deal with the airport to introduce thousands of budget flights.
He says the next step is to base his planes at Manchester – which would mean dozens of new routes and more cut-price tickets. It would also create additional jobs – on top of the 600 already promised.
Mr O’Leary said: "This will be incremental growth but we are growing like gang-busters.
"The challenge for us is that we still don’t have a base here. There’s the possibility of opening up a base but it’s important for us not to run before we can walk.
"We’ve been here before and fallen out but hopefully at the end of the summer we will be announcing more growth at Manchester and if we were looking at a base it could be between three and five million passengers annually."
Take-off: Cut-price flights and jobs bonanza as Manchester Airport lands Ryanair deal
The current Ryanair deal, understood to be worth at least £3m a year, will bring 600 jobs and 600,000 passengers to the region. The move – with new routes to Alicante in Spain, Faro in Portugal, Tenerife and Madrid, as well as increased frequencies on its existing Dublin service – will boost traffic at Manchester by between four and five per cent a year.
It is also expected to trigger a price war between other low-cost carriers. EasyJet, Jet2, bmibaby and Flybe already fly out of Manchester.
The return of Ryanair at Easter marks an extraordinary U-turn as it comes less than 18 months after the airline pulled out, sparking a war of words with airport bosses.
Andrew Cornish, who was the airport’s managing director at the time, famously hit out at Ryanair, saying Manchester had refused to ‘prostitute’ itself to keep the carrier.
It is understood that the Dublin-based airline had been demanding to land for free – it had previously paid £3 per passenger – but in return it would bring in 28 new routes the following summer.
Although Mr O’Leary says both parties have ‘moved forward’ and the relationship has been repaired, he issued a warning shot to airport chiefs.
He said: "I’d like us to continue to grow but we will take it step by step. If the costs go up, we would not hesitate to pull flights."
He also described the recession as ‘fantastic’ for his airline, saying it was not true that people had stopped flying but passengers were now more budget-conscious.
The carrier will move to Terminal Two and the majority of its flights will operate at off-peak times – commanding cheaper landing fees. But it is hoped the agreement will boost revenue in the terminals, with extra passengers spending more money in the shops
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As far as I can make out
Alicante Arr 18.00 Dep 18.25 Daily ex Mon
Faro Arr 19.00 Dep 19.25 Daily ex Sat
Madrid Arr 14.40 Dep 18.35 Mo, We, Fr and Su
Tenerife Arr 20.45 Dep 18.45 Mo We, Fr and Sat
Dublin not updated at present but looks as if flights will inbound from DUB and incl
aircraft change on MAD/TFS
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Alicante Arr 18.00 Dep 18.25 Daily ex Mon
Faro Arr 19.00 Dep 19.25 Daily ex Sat
Madrid Arr 14.40 Dep 18.35 Mo, We, Fr and Su
Tenerife Arr 20.45 Dep 18.45 Mo We, Fr and Sat
Dublin not updated at present but looks as if flights will inbound from DUB and incl
aircraft change on MAD/TFS
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Millions of Jobs!
So let's see. In the first article posted by 'nomoresteerage' Ryanair is creating three hundred jobs. In the second article posted by 'Manchester Kurt' it is six hundred jobs. And all for the *equivalent* number of rotations accounted for by one based B738. Wow, this job creation lark is easy ... I wonder why ministers find it such a struggle! [Yes, I know about the standard formulas which RYR always points to].
Based on this mathematics, I suppose Jet2 and Monarch employ most of the working-age population in NW England?
Whilst Madrid is a welcome gap-filler, it is a great concern that all the other new routes to be introduced by RYR fly head-to-head with MAN's most loyal based carriers. And it appears that future RYR expansion will concentrate on the Western Mediterranean sunshine routes. I wonder how many frequencies by MON / EZY / BMI / TOM / TCX / EXS etc. will be forfeited as a result of this development (and how many "millions" of jobs will be lost in consequence).
I am usually elated when I learn of a major new contract for Manchester Airport, but this one leaves a sense of foreboding. One does wonder whether MAG management were complicit* in persuading RYR to pitch in on core routes such as TFS, ALC and FAO rather than encouraging destinations such as Marseille and Bremen (as examples) which added something to the airport's portfolio last time round. What about incentivizing other gap-filler routes such as Polish destinations instead?
Good luck to all involved. I hope you know what you are doing, MAG ... the forthcoming spectacle smacks of blood-sport! Will our 'loyal' new best friend prove to be good for business in the long term?
SHED.
* Quote from Business Desk interview: "the management team led by new chief executive Charlie Cornish and managing director Andrew Harrison had worked with the airline on identifying specific routes and markets such as the Western Mediterranean."
Based on this mathematics, I suppose Jet2 and Monarch employ most of the working-age population in NW England?
Whilst Madrid is a welcome gap-filler, it is a great concern that all the other new routes to be introduced by RYR fly head-to-head with MAN's most loyal based carriers. And it appears that future RYR expansion will concentrate on the Western Mediterranean sunshine routes. I wonder how many frequencies by MON / EZY / BMI / TOM / TCX / EXS etc. will be forfeited as a result of this development (and how many "millions" of jobs will be lost in consequence).
I am usually elated when I learn of a major new contract for Manchester Airport, but this one leaves a sense of foreboding. One does wonder whether MAG management were complicit* in persuading RYR to pitch in on core routes such as TFS, ALC and FAO rather than encouraging destinations such as Marseille and Bremen (as examples) which added something to the airport's portfolio last time round. What about incentivizing other gap-filler routes such as Polish destinations instead?
Good luck to all involved. I hope you know what you are doing, MAG ... the forthcoming spectacle smacks of blood-sport! Will our 'loyal' new best friend prove to be good for business in the long term?
SHED.
* Quote from Business Desk interview: "the management team led by new chief executive Charlie Cornish and managing director Andrew Harrison had worked with the airline on identifying specific routes and markets such as the Western Mediterranean."
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They always include in their totals the jobs they believe will be created as a RESULT of their services indirectly, not just directly by their flights.
Obviously they are only estimates and I'm sure a number of times more jobs are created and others less.
Obviously they are only estimates and I'm sure a number of times more jobs are created and others less.
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I started to wonder where they got the figure of 600 new jobs, from 4 routes, at Menzies we have 3 people on a turn around, and when Jet2 or BMIBABY start new routes, we dont take on hundreds of more staff......
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I think we will beg to differ suseman.
I would like to see the airport wading in and doing some flag waving "hot air " or not !
I noticed that the CEO at LGW has now also thrown his hat in the ring with a string of much publicised interviews this week !
The comments re expanding Birmingham did not just come from "Mad Boris" but were also made by David Cameron and Theresa Villiers who covers aviation policy !
It will of course never see the light of day I just think Manchester could get some good publicity even if it does nothing more than get the message out to potential passengers that there is life outside the M25 !
PS...good to see the new CEO getting himself about !
I would like to see the airport wading in and doing some flag waving "hot air " or not !
I noticed that the CEO at LGW has now also thrown his hat in the ring with a string of much publicised interviews this week !
The comments re expanding Birmingham did not just come from "Mad Boris" but were also made by David Cameron and Theresa Villiers who covers aviation policy !
It will of course never see the light of day I just think Manchester could get some good publicity even if it does nothing more than get the message out to potential passengers that there is life outside the M25 !
PS...good to see the new CEO getting himself about !
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RYR move to T2 kind of blows out the water the previous scheme of turning T3 into the loco terminal.
I see the standard RYR 25 minute turn around is applied to the new routes, which are all operated by overseas based aircraft. Interesting target when operating from the cul-de-sac that is T2.
Like Shed, I'm worried of the impact on Jet2 & Monarch by adding capacity to destinations already well served.
Seems to be the same policy as easy, to spoil existing routes rather than target so many gaps in the MAN portfolio..... Marseille, Bilbao, Vienna, Bremen, Warsaw, Berlin, Krakow, Seville, Porto etc.
Good luck to RYR, MAG & the punters that book with them, I hope it work out OK for everyone.
I see the standard RYR 25 minute turn around is applied to the new routes, which are all operated by overseas based aircraft. Interesting target when operating from the cul-de-sac that is T2.
Like Shed, I'm worried of the impact on Jet2 & Monarch by adding capacity to destinations already well served.
Seems to be the same policy as easy, to spoil existing routes rather than target so many gaps in the MAN portfolio..... Marseille, Bilbao, Vienna, Bremen, Warsaw, Berlin, Krakow, Seville, Porto etc.
Good luck to RYR, MAG & the punters that book with them, I hope it work out OK for everyone.
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I see the standard RYR 25 minute turn around is applied to the new routes, which are all operated by overseas based aircraft. Interesting target when operating from the cul-de-sac that is T2.
Also, at that time of day MAN isn't the busiest...
RYR move to T2 kind of blows out the water the previous scheme of turning T3 into the loco terminal.
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RYR move to T2 kind of blows out the water the previous scheme of turning T3 into the loco terminal.
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The T3 Apron Ext plans of 2006/2007 were for an additional 14 remote stands. If fully implemented this would be an ideal set-up for a lost co outfit. Right next to 24R threshold and no jetties.
Currently we have the downscaled plan of just stands 56-58.
Currently we have the downscaled plan of just stands 56-58.
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RYR fly head-to-head with MAN's most loyal based carriers.
However T3 makes more Ryanair sense as taxi-ing congestion is minimsed and taxi out is more straightforward. I think we should be relaxed, most on pprune know Ryanair spin when they see it. They are what they are, if and when we see real cuts from MON, TXC, LS et al then let's worry.
With my spotter head on for a mo, it's a also *lot* more new aircraft.....
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The T3 Apron Ext plans of 2006/2007 were for an additional 14 remote stands.
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taxining time to and from t2 is around 15mins so how ryanair r going 2 get a 25min turn around is going 2 be the problem