Ryanair - 7

[flying officer kite]

sad news, but good riddance to the base captain, never met such a horrible person in the industry before

[ara01jbb]

MO'L interviewed at some length at the top of the hour on Evening Extra, on Radio Ulster, just now. Will be on the iPlayer later. Explains with a measly extra 200m on the runway, FR could fly to Madrid, Paris and Milan from BHD. Also pointed out that 7% of passengers through DUB are NI going/to from NI.

[dublinaviator]

Originally Posted by compton3bravo

This could not possibly have to do with the easyJet service to Luton being a resounding success operating an A319 (no restrictions) so much so that a third rotation is being introduced this autumn. No it couldn't possibly be - could it?

Of course, even though easyJet didn't compete with Ryanair on any routes, but of course it must be that easyJet ran Ryanair out of Belfast...

[Thad Jarvis]

that extra 200m isn't needed by an orange A319. If BHD really want their Euro routes they should've looked elsewhere. O'leary only played with BHD because EI set up at BFS...can't see him being in BFS anytime soon so he's off to play in more lucrative fields.

[BFS101]

If sufficient demand exists to Madrid, Milan etc, and Ryanair feel that money could be made, then negoiations should take place between BFS and FR. No curfew, long enough runway, and not in the middle of suburbia.

An agreement that offers FR realistic sustainable prices, and that can be profit generating for both BFS and FR. However I believe that many FR regional routes operate on such thin margins that they are only profitable while in the start up price incentive period from the airport. SNN prime example.

Although we live in a free market economy I see no point in competition on thin European routes like Paris. EI tried to complete with EZY on many of the routes and realised the traffic just wasn't there. What would happen after the initial price war, that some ignorant travellers would think are the long term sustainable prices and sing praises for FR, would be that one or other would pull the flight and back to square one, though instead of CDG, we'd be stuck with Beauvais!!! Why would NI want that??? If they could sustain, on a long term basis flights to Madrid, Milan etc, then credit where its due, but I have my doubts from NI.

[potkettleblack]

Also pointed out that 7% of passengers through DUB are NI going/to from NI.

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So he shouldn't care less than as they will travel down to Dublin to hop onto his flights? Or maybe the real answer is they will continue to fly with the competition instead. Whenever he brings out this type of tirade it is usually to divert attention away from something else. He has the equivalent of Alastair Campbell working for him.

Expect the same when he pulls out of SNN since their fees are increasing. Expect the usual rant about 1000 job losses, was about to create another 1000 on top so now we have lost 2000 etc etc. Anything with a multiple of 1000 is always a good headline grabber he seems to think.

[Jamie2k9]

I know Ryanair said they would pull out of SNN but why did they announced today that they would resume flights from SNN - LPA from October 31.

[BFS101]

While the LPA route is good for SNN, lets face it, how many based aircraft and routes has FR pulled from SNN, since MOL didn't get his own way. It's still a huge capacity reduction. FR went into SNN, decimated the competition and then when the going got tough (or didn't get his own way) pulled the routes. With the original airlines, many are once bitten, twice shy, and may be reluctant to reinstate, or are no longer in existance.

I do not want either Belfast airport, to ever be in that, or close to that position.

[fullrich]

I aggree. SNN has little to loose now if FR pull out anymore and I wouldnt be getting too excited over the new once weekly LPA route. If MOL continues these tactics he may eventually back FR into a corner of the Irish market and end up operating from the likes of Knock and kerry

[Charlie Roy]

I know Ryanair said they would pull out of SNN but why did they announced today that they would resume flights from SNN - LPA from October 31.

They announced it last Friday. It was on the route map since then at least...

[EI-BUD]

I know Ryanair said they would pull out of SNN but why did they announced today that they would resume flights from SNN - LPA from October 31.

the longer the sector the fewer the flights, ie 2 UK return trips could be done in the time 1 LPA flight is completed, net result is that Ryanair will be delivering less passengers and less revenue to the airport?

Also pointed out that 7% of passengers through DUB are NI going/to from NI.

The Irish department of tourism say that 2/3 (two thirds) of all visitors from overseas coming to NI do so via ROI, ie mainly Dublin. That says that there are opportunities.

However, I do feel that at this time Ryanair would go head to head on existing markets, ie Alicante, Paris, Malaga, Faro, Barcelona, Canaries, so in the longer run it would be a transfer from BFS for many pax rather than new business. Of course I think that there are opportunities to deliver on new visitors from abroad but these would in my view mainly come from new markets, eg Brussels, Frankfurt, Milan etc. However, given BHDs desire not only to get into European flights they also have an ambition to dent BFS share?

[Facelookbovvered]

BHD will loose some pax volume with Ryanair pulling out, but the airport knew who they were getting into bed with! need to focus on Flybe or bmi that can afford to pay a little more per pax. The next gen of aircraft will get to MAD without an extra 200m so if the market is there?

It seems more and more that once the start up deals expire there is no valid business case on many of Ryanair fly cheaper routes.

I guess bmibaby will smile, but the sure have proved that people want to fly to BHD rather than BFS

[dublinaviator]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

The Irish department of tourism say that 2/3 (two thirds) of all visitors from overseas coming to NI do so via ROI, ie mainly Dublin. That says that there are opportunities.

Where are the opportunities going to come from though? The only airlines that could've capitalised on those potential opportunities are already serving Belfast(or about to leave), and yet as you point out 2/3 of all visitors to the North of Ireland continue to travel via Dublin. Even if you look at the island as a whole, 90% of all visitors to the island of Ireland travel via Dublin.

If Belfast had 1 airport, then maybe it might have the potential to counter the influx of tourists away from Dublin, but with 2 competing airports it'll never happen.

[True Blue]

"I guess bmibaby will smile, but the sure have proved that people want to fly to BHD rather than BFS"

and how have they done that? what a wild statement with little evidence to support it. I think if you look at Liverpool and Stansted out of Belfast, there were lots who didn't decide to fly out of Bhd. I,m one with no desire to use Bhd.

True Blue

[COSTABRAVO]

Facebook campaign for restoring winter flights to Reus

I notice there is a Face book page been started for people asking for the restoring of winter flights between the UK and Reus.

Would I be correct in the assumption that Ryanair would take absolutely no notice of such campaigns?

I understand the page has only been open for about a week so it will be interesting to see how much support it gets.

So much work has been done to Reus Airport compared to how it was a few years ago and now Ryanair appear to be running away (I'm sure the El Prat base is obviously a factor). Its a shame that Reus could now be left with a white elephant all because of yet more false promises from the worlds favourite airline.

[ryan2000]

FR and SNN

I can't see Ryanair cutting much more at SNN. Assuming the London routes are profitable, it makes sense to base a plane there. Malaga at twice a week should work and ACE and LPA are no brainers. Maybe the Polish route and/or LPL might go but that's all in my opinion.

[Jamie2k9]

German Routes

Ryanair announced they will review every route from Germany as the new travel tax is going a head.

Ryanair: Germany routes may be closed because of new departure tax | Earth Times News

[johnnychips]

German taxes

45€ per passenger is a lot!

[Noxegon]

I'm going to make a wild guess that €45 applies to long haul... I'd guess the average Ryanair flight would be stung for much less than that?

[jaypla]

For european destinations it´s 8 euro.