Ryanair - 7

[bia botal]

The government has presented the levy as a form of "green" taxation, aimed at reducing heavy carbon-emitting travel patterns

If ryr pull out then i guess they will have been successful huh.

[jpthomas72]

The German finance minister has been pretty clear that this tax, which is part of a bigger austerity package, is there to balance the big federal budget deficit (it's not as huge as UK's, but still not pretty and well above Maastricht). The 'Green' idea is anyway not honest as the freighters are excluded. Living close to HHN, you do wonder about those big noisy guys compared to the little 737s. BTW, train tickets in Germany have full VAT. So much for 'Green'.
It's not even such a joke about using this to shrink/push-out RYR in Germany. It's a clear business interest of LH/4U and AB, even EZY's SXF operations, to harm RYR. But RYR caters for quite a special market, they are less important than in UK - esp as Germany's national carrier doesn't just serve the capital - obviously that has historic reasons - but also our 'Go' is still alive, 4U that is. Can't think RYR will leave HHN though, despite the rhetorics it's a valuable base. They've chopped all low-yield routes from there, what remains is making money. Giving that up would basically mean 'LH, you have won !'.

[compton3bravo]

If many more European countries introduce a 'departure' tax Ryanair could be running out of places to fly their very large fleet of aircraft and then what do they do!

[COSTABRAVO]

Kylie Minogue

So is it true, did Kylie Minogue fly with Ryanair from Luton this morning to Gerona??

I guess she can afford the excess luggage fee!!

[FR-]

Yes it is true, and she only had 20kg checked in. I guess all them hot pants dont weigh much. Im still waiting for the crew to get back to me on facebook

[racedo]

Another good set of passenger numbers but no doubt there will be doom merchants on here within the hour stating otherwise.

Ryanair’s booked passenger and load factor statistics for August 2010 are as follows:

Aug 09

Aug 10

Increase

12 mth to Aug 10*
Passengers (m) 1

6.88M

7.68M

+12%

70.9M

Load Factor 2

90%

89%

-1%

82%

[clareview]

How many airlines in the world are showing a 12% growth at the moment?

[befree]

most airlines are trying to make a profit and giving up growth for higher income per seat. Over the last 9 years FR has had a 90%-95% load factor in August. Once germany has its 8 euro tax in place other governments will be able to follow without blackmail from FR. FR are hit hardest by these taxes as it is a higher rise relative to ticket price.

Take a look at August growth over the last 9 years to see how things are about to change.

2002 37%
2003 44%
2004 20%
2005 27%
2006 23%
2007 21%
2008 19%
2009 19%
2010 12%

[TartinTon]

Quoting a slowdown in % increase is completely irrelevant as it takes no account of the base figure. The fact that FR have increased their Aug-Aug carryings by 800,000 is pretty impressive.

befree, why not restate those figures as actual number increases as that tells the true story?

[befree]

growth is ending however you look at the numbers. They are closing bases and routes this winter that will offset much of the new growth.

Aug 2008-2009 they grew 1.1million pax. 2009-10 they grew 0.8million. next years growth may be half that and net growth may end from 2012.

More important is how they do over the year. Load factors on Ryanair are falling while they rise on easyjet.

[Amelia Earhart]

Question?

Do Ryanair staff get commission or bonuses for catching people with oversize or overweight baggage at the boarding gate?

The reason I ask is my brother was recently on a flight and was one of the last few people to board and he described an experience which almost made the staff seem desperate to reach a quota of money collected.

They stopped him and demanded he pay to check in his hand luggage. He refused and stated that his bag was the correct size and was called "rude" for his troubles. He wondered if the bag measuring stand did indeed match the supposed specifications. Anyway after a stand off and a bit of a row the staff relented and picked on an OAP instead who seem less vocal at defending herself. The very fact that the staff relented in the end did nothing to dampen his suspicion that the whole exercise was a trawling expedition rather than a real case of oversize baggage.

So, is there a bonus system or was it just a case of the usual pleasantries from Ryanair?

[aidoair]

Do Ryanair staff get commission or bonuses for catching people with oversize or overweight baggage at the boarding gate?
The reason I ask is my brother was recently on a flight and was one of the last few people to board and he described an experience which almost made the staff seem desperate to reach a quota of money collected.

It's not actual Ryanair staff, though the airline ground handling agents. These companies are constantly pestered by Ryanair to hit targets on spend per passengers and one of the ways the can achieve this is being very strict with the ryanair regulated hand baggage size. If they don't hit targets per month Ryanair managers go to the base etc etc... (As you are probably aware all airlines size regulations are different, many people don't!)

The staff had probably been pushed by their managers and in the end just couldn't be bothered to argue with your brother, as it was probably not too much over the baggage stand size... and oh no they don't get commission at all, that's why many feel 'why should we bother making more work for our selfs'. It's then down to the cabin crew if they take notice of the size of the bag. If it's too large then they take payment onboard and have it put in the hold.

[frfly]

Firstly - I think it's brilliant how you are trying to portray this slow down in growth as a sign Ryanair is about to hit trouble. This slow down is planned, deliveries and new base launches have slowed and the route structure is maturing with longer sectors and less aircraft utilisation therefore a slow down in growth but a move towards improved yields. This is the company running as Europe's most successful airline business and adapting to current market trends. Any % increase for any airline right now is impressive. By 2014 expect near 0% growth as aircraft deliveries stop and the business puts focus on good yield returning routes.

Secondly - the gate bag issue. Airports with an effective gate bag system allow flights to depart ontime, safely and efficiently, without crew running around throwing bags everywhere because yet another passenger has decided they are entitled to break the rules. Its very clear, stick to those measurements your bag goes on, you have no problems and everyone is happy. Try your luck, and 90% of the time you will get stopped. The gate bag may bring in revenue but initially it was designed to stop baggage related delays, and this has worked very well.

Ryanair bashers = people who decide they make their own rules up and fail to read simple intructions in the terms and conditions and get penalised for it.

Ryanair lovers = people who know the product, adhere to the policies and consistantly get flights to places they want to go for the lowest possible price, arriving ontime 90% of the time. 75 Million + passengers.....I think that speaks for itself in this industry right now.

[COSTABRAVO]

Very easy to have a 90% punctuality record when you make no effort to get customers to their destination in the event of strikes etc. I know the strikes are not Ryanair's fault but least other airlines (maybe not easyJet) get their customers there albeit with a delay.

That low fare customers paid could prove expensive if they already have hotels booked at their destination.

Air traffic control strike in France today so the following flights are cancelled:-

FLIGHT CANCELLATIONS - 7TH SEPT



07/09/2010

Flight No.Departure AirportArrival Airport.
Flight No.Departure AirportArrival Airport. FR6002AgadirMarseille
FR9812LiverpoolMurcia FR9084AlicanteEast Midlands
FR2112LiverpoolReus (Barcelona) FR9086AlicanteGothenburg
FR3456London Luton Beziers FR5598AlicanteHaugesund
FR3676London Luton Brest FR9887AlicanteLiverpool
FR3452London Luton Murcia FR1075AlicanteNewquay
FR3256London Luton Nimes FR9069AlicanteOslo (Torp)
FR3464London Luton Reus (Barcelona) FR9034AlicanteParis Beauvais
FR8351London StanstedAlmeria FR5572AlicanteTeeside
FR8592London StanstedBergerac FR8352AlmeriaLondon Stansted
FR372London StanstedBiarritz FR6392Barcelona El PratBrussels Charleroi
FR72London StanstedCarcassonne FR6374Barcelona El PratParis Beauvais
FR514London StanstedDinard FR9366Barcelona GironaBologna
FR8234London StanstedFigari FR9293Barcelona GironaDusseldorf (Weeze)
FR8776London StanstedLimoges FR7824Barcelona GironaGlasgow Prestwick
FR6538London StanstedMarseille FR9004Barcelona GironaHamburg Lubeck
FR8022London StanstedMurcia FR2744Barcelona GironaKaunas
FR2356London StanstedPau FR9107Barcelona GironaParis Beauvais
FR5464MadridBrussels Charleroi FR9101Barcelona GironaParis Beauvais
FR5466MadridBrussels Charleroi FR9186Barcelona GironaRome Ciampino
FR7157MadridDublin FR6027BergeracBristol
FR5446MadridMarseille FR9919BergeracLiverpool
FR5444MadridParis Beauvais FR8593BergeracLondon Stansted
FR2531MalagaBillund FR3457BeziersLondon Luton
FR3659MalagaBremen FR1492BeziersStockholm Skavsta
FR8613MalagaDusseldorf (Weeze) FR747BiarritzBirmingham
FR2588MalagaKrakow FR373BiarritzLondon Stansted
FR2447MalagaLeeds Bradford FR4869BiarritzMarseille
FR9863MalagaLiverpool FR2532BillundMalaga
FR7783MalagaMarseille FR746BirminghamBiarritz
FR2567MalagaStockholm Skavsta FR9367BolognaBarcelona Girona
FR6001MarseilleAgadir FR4303BolognaParis Beauvais
FR4868MarseilleBiarritz FR1389BordeauxBrussels Charleroi
FR6003MarseilleBrest FR4507BordeauxPorto
FR4818MarseilleCagliari FR7941BournemouthIbiza
FR1286MarseilleEdinburgh FR3658BremenMalaga
FR7452MarseilleFaro FR3677BrestLondon Luton
FR6005MarseilleLille FR6004BrestMarseille
FR6017MarseilleLille FR6026BristolBergerac
FR6539MarseilleLondon Stansted FR3885BristolLimoges
FR5447MarseilleMadrid FR8336BristolReus (Barcelona)
FR7782MarseilleMalaga FR6393Brussels CharleroiBarcelona El Prat
FR6774MarseilleNante FR1388Brussels CharleroiBordeaux
FR7708MarseilleTours FR8023Brussels CharleroiCarcassonne
FR7482MemmingenFaro FR6312Brussels CharleroiFaro
FR4231Milan BergamoParis Beauvais FR4566Brussels CharleroiFigari
FR8078MontpellierBrussels Charleroi FR6456Brussels CharleroiIbiza
FR1925MurciaEast Midlands FR8174Brussels CharleroiLanzarote
FR9813MurciaLiverpool FR5465Brussels CharleroiMadrid
FR3453MurciaLondon Luton FR5467Brussels CharleroiMadrid
FR8021MurciaLondon Stansted FR8077Brussels CharleroiMontpellier
FR1635NanteEast Midlands FR5352Brussels CharleroiPau
FR6775NanteMarseille FR1384Brussels CharleroiPerpignan
FR1076NewquayAlicante FR1918Brussels CharleroiValencia
FR1959NiceDublin FR4817CagliariMarseille
FR3257NimesLondon Luton FR8024CarcassonneBrussels Charleroi
FR9613Oslo (Rygge)Paris Beauvais FR9917CarcassonneLiverpool
FR9068Oslo (Torp)Alicante FR73CarcassonneLondon Stansted
FR6611Palma MallorcaEast Midlands FR1653DinardEast Midlands
FR8194Palma MallorcaHamburg Lubeck FR515DinardLondon Stansted
FR9035Paris BeauvaisAlicante FR1996Dublin Grenbole
FR6375Paris BeauvaisBarcelona El Prat FR7156Dublin Madrid
FR9108Paris BeauvaisBarcelona Girona FR1958Dublin Nice
FR9102Paris BeauvaisBarcelona Girona FR26Dublin Paris Beauvais
FR4304Paris BeauvaisBologna FR9864Dublin Rodez
FR29Paris BeauvaisDublin FR9294Dusseldorf (Weeze)Barcelona Girona
FR6833Paris BeauvaisEdinburgh FR6418Dusseldorf (Weeze)Ibiza
FR65Paris BeauvaisGlasgow Prestwick FR8612Dusseldorf (Weeze)Malaga
FR5445Paris BeauvaisMadrid FR2232Dusseldorf (Weeze)Reus (Barcelona)
FR4232Paris BeauvaisMilan Bergamo FR2172Dusseldorf (Weeze)Santander
FR9612Paris BeauvaisOslo (Rygge) FR8622Dusseldorf (Weeze)Seville
FR9977Paris BeauvaisPisa FR8602Dusseldorf (Weeze)Valencia
FR7475Paris BeauvaisPorto FR9085East MidlandsAlicante
FR9134Paris BeauvaisPorto FR1652East MidlandsDinard
FR2118Paris BeauvaisReus (Barcelona) FR1632East MidlandsLimoges
FR9632Paris BeauvaisRome Ciampino FR1924East MidlandsMurcia
FR9636Paris BeauvaisRome Ciampino FR1634East MidlandsNante
FR133Paris BeauvaisShannon FR6601East MidlandsPalma Mallorca
FR9504Paris BeauvaisStockholm Skavsta FR6608East MidlandsReus (Barcelona)
FR8642Paris BeauvaisTrapini FR1756East MidlandsValencia
FR4984Paris BeauvaisVenice (Treviso) FR1287EdinburghMarseille
FR7236Paris BeauvaisZaragoza FR6832EdinburghParis Beauvais
FR5353PauBrussels Charleroi FR6313FaroBrussels Charleroi
FR2357PauLondon Stansted FR7451FaroMarseille
FR1385PerpignanBrussels Charleroi FR7481FaroMemmingen
FR9976PisaParis Beauvais FR4567Figari Brussels Charleroi
FR4506PortoBordeaux FR8235Figari London Stansted
FR4172PortoFrankfurt Hahn FR4623Frankfurt HahnJerez
FR4502PortoLille FR4171Frankfurt HahnPorto
FR7474PortoParis Beauvais FR4477Frankfurt HahnSantiago de comp
FR9135PortoParis Beauvais FR7823Glasgow PrestwickBarcelona Girona
FR8337Reus (Barcelona)Bristol FR64Glasgow PrestwickParis Beauvais
FR2231Reus (Barcelona)Dusseldorf (Weeze) FR7816Glasgow PrestwickReus (Barcelona)
FR6609Reus (Barcelona)East Midlands FR9087GothenburgAlicante
FR7817Reus (Barcelona)Glasgow Prestwick FR1997GrenboleDublin
FR2205Reus (Barcelona)Knock FR9005Hamburg LubeckBarcelona Girona
FR2111Reus (Barcelona)Liverpool FR8195Hamburg LubeckPalma Mallorca
FR3465Reus (Barcelona)London Luton FR5599HaugesundAlicante
FR2117Reus (Barcelona)Paris Beauvais FR7942IbizaBournemouth
FR9865RodezDublin FR6457IbizaBrussels Charleroi
FR9187Rome CiampinoBarcelona Girona FR6419IbizaDusseldorf (Weeze)
FR6704Rome CiampinoIbiza FR6703IbizaRome Ciampino
FR9631Rome CiampinoParis Beauvais FR2026IbizaVenice (Treviso)
FR9635Rome CiampinoParis Beauvais FR4624JerezFrankfurt Hahn
FR9157Rome CiampinoSantiago de comp FR2743KaunasBarcelona Girona
FR2173SantanderDusseldorf (Weeze) FR2206KnockReus (Barcelona)
FR4478Santiago de compFrankfurt Hahn FR2589KrakowMalaga
FR9158Santiago de compRome Ciampino FR8175LanzaroteBrussels Charleroi
FR8623SevilleDusseldorf (Weeze) FR3812LanzaroteLiverpool
FR132ShannonParis Beauvais FR2446Leeds BradfordMalaga
FR1491Stockholm SkavstaBeziers FR6006LilleMarseille
FR2568Stockholm SkavstaMalaga FR6018LilleMarseille
FR9503Stockholm SkavstaParis Beauvais FR4503LillePorto
FR5573TeesideAlicante FR3886LimogesBristol
FR7709ToursMarseille FR1633LimogesEast Midlands
FR8641TrapiniParis Beauvais FR8777LimogesLondon Stansted
FR1919ValenciaBrussels Charleroi FR9886LiverpoolAlicante
FR8603ValenciaDusseldorf (Weeze) FR9918LiverpoolBergerac
FR1757ValenciaEast Midlands FR9916LiverpoolCarcassonne
FR2027Venice (Treviso)Ibiza FR3811LiverpoolLanzarote
FR4985Venice (Treviso)Paris Beauvais FR9862LiverpoolMalaga
FR7235ZaragozaParis Beauvais

So naturally Ryanair will have the best on time performance today.

You get what you pay for. I'd rather put my hand in my pocket and fly with an airline that at least has an ounce of respect for it customers, suppliers and the airports it operates to. Just my opinion of course and I'm entitled to it.

[befree]

dropping a whole load on flights today is a great way to get the load factor up for the month and cut their operating costs. In the long term pax will notice that they drop flights when others make every effort to get you there or home.

[frfly]

There's a hell of a lot more to do with that other than punctuality. It has more to do with aircraft and crews being in wrong places at wrong times and more to do with crew hours. Means the operation can get back on track straight away once these strikes finish.

Lots of cancellations today due to a strike from French ATC, not due to not recruiting enough manpower (like maybe easyJet) or having a dispute with workers (like maybe BA).

Ryanair has the one of the lowest cancellation rates of EU airlines, today unfortunately is an exemption, but it is a non day-to-day event.

Theres lots of cancelled flights from other airlines such as easyJet, just take a look through some of their flight information pages to see.

As for airlines such as flybe....only a handful of routes fly further than UK domestic and there's no such thing as a European base that would feel the real force of this strike.

[EI-BUD]

growth is ending however you look at the numbers. They are closing bases and routes this winter that will offset much of the new growth.

Befree

Say for eg that Ryanair had growth over last year of 1M pax each year that would be consistent growth yet each year in % terms it would relflect a decline. The % will keep declining as the basis figures keep growing ie LY.

befree, why not restate those figures as actual number increases as that tells the true story?

tartinton is correct, if you look at numbers rather than % it says alot. Besides all that compare to the market. Ryanair is showing a sparkling performance whether you love them or hate them.


However, if they dont plan new aircraft coming on stream it will certainly be a small rate of growth past 2014!!!!

EI-BUD

[COSTABRAVO]

Quoting frfly:-
Theres lots of cancelled flights from other airlines such as easyJet, just take a look through some of their flight information pages to see.

As for airlines such as flybe....only a handful of routes fly further than UK domestic and there's no such thing as a European base that would feel the real force of this strike.

=================================================

How about Thomson, Jet2, Monarch etc. How many flights have they cancelled? Given that many of their flights are over the Iberian penisula I would imagine it would also greatly affect them. It would also cause them a massive headache with crew rosters going up the spout etc. but do they just throw in the towel and say sod it, no, they operate with terrible delays for the day having to call in staff that were not scheduled to be working and so on, but least they deliver what the customer has paid for.

Ryanair may be bigger than all these airlines combined but it should all be relative i.e. bigger fleet, bigger ops department, more crew etc.

But of course, as any good Ryanair spin doctor knows, its not us it all the others! We can do no wrong.

[Amelia Earhart]

Ryanair bashers = people who decide they make their own rules up and fail to read simple intructions in the terms and conditions and get penalised for it.

Nice soundbite Frfly, but before you race off and condem anyone who criticises Ryanair as some sort of outlaw with an axe to grind, the point of my story was that my brother's luggage was in accordance with the regulations as he had bought it specifically for the purpose (albeit not a samsonite bag), that it did fit into the measuring stand and just because it didn't slip out as smoothly as it fitted in was then ordered to pay charges. The woman in charge seemed determined to catch someone, my brother's suspicions raised as to her motives as he was eight people from the end of the queue. It was at Alicante airport. I've been there and the staff do seem rather officious, more so than at other airports; there's always a row.

And don't tell me that all Ryanair staff are angels struggling to deal with the ungrateful public. I was on an aircraft but was requested by the ground staff to assist them with the folding of a double pram (quite large) which they were having difficulty with. The Ryanair staff refused to let me leave to the bottom of the steps to help. Imagine my amusement to see the pram twirling round the carousels at the destination airport still full erected.

[TSR2]

The most amazing thing is that maybe 30 million people each year actually pay for the Ryanair 'experience'.

Whilst checking-in at Murcia airport recently I noticed quite a few people 'scurrying' past complete with mini suitcases. I thought nothing of it at the time except that perhaps they were on the last minute for their flight. It all became clear when I reached the departure lounge, a planeload of Ryanair passengers camped out on the floor at the departure gate some 2 hours before departure. Most were sat on their cases, some were standing but quite a few were lying on the floor making a scene somewhat reminiscent of a disaster area.

After an orderly boarding onto our flight to Manchester, I witnessed what can best be described as a less than orderly stampede from the terminal to the adjacent Ryanair aircraft.

My thoughts at the time were 'Bloody hell what a way to travel'