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Pmi/ibz/mah
Despite decent offering in the summer from FR/ZB/WW, BHX has no
flights at all to any of the above in winter.
As others have said there is little demand although FR Palma from
BHX did carry good numbers when it operated for a short period
with FR but fares were rock bottom.
Talking of which there is the very strange situation where BMI Baby
don't offer MAN-PMI in summer but do in winter (well at present
they intend to) but that is for the BMI Baby thread.
Pete
flights at all to any of the above in winter.
As others have said there is little demand although FR Palma from
BHX did carry good numbers when it operated for a short period
with FR but fares were rock bottom.
Talking of which there is the very strange situation where BMI Baby
don't offer MAN-PMI in summer but do in winter (well at present
they intend to) but that is for the BMI Baby thread.
Pete
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FR have been flying stn/ibz during winter for the last few years, the only ones of all the cheapies, 3 times a week and I have flown with them aprox 10 times over the winter each year, always 80% full at least. I cant see it as a pax problem, more likely a uk tax thing. I find it impossible to contact ryanair direct for an answer, any ideas?
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An 80% load does not necessarily mean profit if the majority of seats have been practically given away. I think the cut you mention, and the cuts in general are due to a more general move towards seasonal operations,(not helped by the recession,) and also partly the latest tax hikes.
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There is very little market for Ibiza during the winter and it's a relatively long short haul sector so costy to operate. Little demand + high cost = obviously all the Ibiza routes lost a lot of money last winter (even if partly, but not enough, offset by subsidies), everybody knew that will happen except the low brain highly subsidised Ryanair apparently.
It was easy to anticipate, as even airlines which had long experiences with the route like easyJet never tried that- can you believe it, it is a amazing to think that they opened/discovered ibiza only in 2009!!!
Nothing to do with uk taxes, as the route stopped for example from Bergamo as well whereas they operated it last winter. It's all about crazy network management and poor commercial performances which followed
It was easy to anticipate, as even airlines which had long experiences with the route like easyJet never tried that- can you believe it, it is a amazing to think that they opened/discovered ibiza only in 2009!!!
Nothing to do with uk taxes, as the route stopped for example from Bergamo as well whereas they operated it last winter. It's all about crazy network management and poor commercial performances which followed
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Belfast City pull out
RTÉ Business: Ryanair to move from Belfast City airport
RTÉ Business: Ryanair to move from Belfast City airport
"50 Ryanair jobs lost with the pullout from Belfast City".
Is anyone else amazed at the number of jobs each Ryanair station seems to have been supporting, when closures are mooted or announced. 50 employees at a place with this level of service seems beyond what the wildest legacy operator would get away with. Ryanair have no city ticket office, use a handling agent, and have one aircraft overnighting there, which is apparently going to be "redeployed", so no loss of crew positions.
Is anyone else amazed at the number of jobs each Ryanair station seems to have been supporting, when closures are mooted or announced. 50 employees at a place with this level of service seems beyond what the wildest legacy operator would get away with. Ryanair have no city ticket office, use a handling agent, and have one aircraft overnighting there, which is apparently going to be "redeployed", so no loss of crew positions.
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It's hard to believe that they will completely say goodbye to Northern Ireland. Ryanair are keen at keeping their cards close to their chest. Are they speaking to BFS?
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Belfast City Pullout
This could not possibly have to do with the easyJet service to Luton being a resounding success operating an A319 (no restrictions) so much so that a third rotation is being introduced this autumn. No it couldn't possibly be - could it?
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Ryanair Eastern Europe/Asia expansion!!
according to Bloomberg and other news sources, president of Georgia Saakashvili and Georgian minister for tourism Vera Kobalia have said that ryanair are very interested in starting services to Georgia, subject to an EU aviation agreement and upgraded facilities:
Ryanair May Start Flying to Georgia in 2011, Economy Minister Kobalia Says - Bloomberg
Should be interesting!!
Ryanair May Start Flying to Georgia in 2011, Economy Minister Kobalia Says - Bloomberg
Should be interesting!!
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Georgia is an awful long way from any Ryanair bases, apart from Kaunas and the ones in the far South-East of Italy. Maybe there's a market for Kaunas-Tblisi, but that's a big maybe. I can't see any market at all from Bari, Brindisi etc.
More bang for your buck
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Ryanair to pull out of Belfast
Ryanair to pull out of Belfast City airport over runway delays
From the Guardian, Full article: Ryanair to pull out of Belfast City airport over runway delays | Business | The Guardian
From the Guardian, Full article: Ryanair to pull out of Belfast City airport over runway delays | Business | The Guardian
Ryanair today said it would pull out of George Best Belfast City airport from October, citing repeated delays over extending the airport's small runway.
The airline said 50 jobs would go and that tourism in Belfast and Northern Ireland would lose up to one million passengers a year.
Five routes – to London Stansted, Liverpool, East Midlands, Bristol and Glasgow Prestwick – will be withdrawn.
Ryanair, which started flying out of the airport in October 2007, said it had been planning to open up a wide range of low fare European routes to and from Belfast once the runway extension was delivered, but lost patience with the latest delay in the public inquiry.
The airline said 50 jobs would go and that tourism in Belfast and Northern Ireland would lose up to one million passengers a year.
Five routes – to London Stansted, Liverpool, East Midlands, Bristol and Glasgow Prestwick – will be withdrawn.
Ryanair, which started flying out of the airport in October 2007, said it had been planning to open up a wide range of low fare European routes to and from Belfast once the runway extension was delivered, but lost patience with the latest delay in the public inquiry.
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Why Are We Surprised
Why are we surprised? Ryanair were given the standard start up package for 3 years in 2007, minimal landing fees etc. Obviously they have been unable to bully the airport authorities into extending the concessions beyond October. Don't lose your bottle, other operators will pick up the slack, Flybe, Baby, etc.
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It has nothing to do with the airport operator. Ryanair have maintained a good relationship with the airport. The problem lies with the public inquiry into the runway extension at BHD. It is a prolongued process which in effect has no timescale. The underlying reason to opening the Belfast base was to eventually allow flights to/from Europe. They believed this was possible as the runway extension had been agreed in principle, then it was stalled due to an inquiry being requested. So in true Ryanair fashion, enough was enough. I'm sure there was a bit of "we aren't getting what we want so we're not playing anymore" however if Ryanair can't put a timescale to their expansion plans at Belfast then more economically viable ventures may indeed be elsewhere?
They stated they would readress the base if circumstances allowing expansion were to change. Additionally they could have operated flights to BHD from other bases within the UK. Who knows why the won't?
They stated they would readress the base if circumstances allowing expansion were to change. Additionally they could have operated flights to BHD from other bases within the UK. Who knows why the won't?