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Old 8th Jul 2010, 17:47
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I thought "Solidarity" led to temporary marshal law in Poland, followed by the collapse of the regime ?
It's just a case of how much pain you are willing to take for the cause. The regime can make life extremely difficult for you if they choose
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Old 8th Jul 2010, 18:21
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Cloud Bunny, you are definitely not alone with your views. Most of the guys I fly with, feel the same. Excellent post, keep em` coming We will never get a union working here, we will never get recognition, so vote with you your feet and do like the rest of us. Get the hell out of there
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Old 8th Jul 2010, 19:09
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Any ideas what come from the Meeting at Bournemouth today
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Old 8th Jul 2010, 19:59
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Cloud bunny

Cloud bunny (or cloud nine?) your in a hamster's wheel at Ryanair and guess what when you escape there is another bunch of Lemmings ready to take your place. Ryanair have been bashing the circuit all day at EMA today so you wont be missed, if you want to p**s them off then stay, that way your jamming up the production line!

Very clever to be able to have a training dept that is a profit centre in the middle of a recession
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Old 8th Jul 2010, 21:11
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Just been told that the BOH base is to close also for the winter,
Not sure what the crew have been offerd.
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 09:11
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Originally Posted by Jimogr
Dublin fleet to be reduced to 12 for winter, with the loss of 150 flights a week.

RTÉ News: Decrease in Ryanair's Dublin winter flights
The RTE report says:
Its Dublin fleet will be reduced to 12 aircraft from 14 and it will operate 850 weekly flights, a reduction of 150 on last year.
Has anyone figured out whether this really means that some routes/frequencies are being cut (and if so, what?), or are they just being served from the other end?
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 09:19
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Bratislava, Prague, Budapest, Bournemouth are being cut for good.

As well as; Almeria, Biarittz, Bologna, Brest, Grenoble, Marseille, Nice, Reus, Rodez, Santander, Seville, Tours, Trapani, Valenica, Zadar being cut till next summer.
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 09:41
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Bratislava, Prague, Budapest, Bournemouth are being cut for good.
Do you mean just from DUB or as bases? We need to be careful not to set hares running.......
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 09:47
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Bournemouth is to close for at least this winter.

Budapest, Prague which are not bases are closing for good due to the high charges. With Bratislava some of the routes are being cut, with Dublin being included in those cuts.
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 13:06
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Listen, does it not become obvious that bases like AGP, ALC, AHO, FAO, TPS etc are all summer focus bases? Take AGP for instance. It is 5/3 in the summer and 5/4 in the winter. Why - because it is seasonal. Productivity is higher in the summer and lower in the winter. Why - because no fecker wants to lie on the beach in the Costas or the Algarve in November. Sardinia and Scilly completely shuts down in October. I remember when TPS and AHO opened. People were offered 'summer' contracts on a 5/3. They would return to their original base at the end of the season. Same thing in place at ORK (of all places) at the moment. Reason being that the extra capacity will be gone come winter. It will be back to one aircraft flying the Cork - Dublin and Cork - Gatwick route each day.

The AGP and FAO base were like the second coming amongst some crew. Life in the sun, long routes, Mediterranean type lifestyle. However why didn't anyone catch on to the fact that the vast majority of people heading here would be of the Brookfield variety. I think only 15 permanent positions were available for flightdeck. Everyone must have known it would be seasonal, surely???? After all, it's the way Ryanair are moving. And in some bases more so than others.
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 13:34
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Perhaps the Ryanair pilots regularly seen sleeping in airport staff car parks are more clever than we give them credit for....?
Classic
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 13:44
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Have to put you right on that one - Cork is not 'Of all cases.' You are making it sound like a hopeless place and somewhere to be pitied and you are only allowed to think like that if you are all ready from Cork in the first place. All other dissenters are offered a blindfold for that kind of negative talk and are dealt with it appropriately at dawn on the First Friday of every month down at the end of 35 at Lios Cross.

Now, unlike prevous years, the Cork aeroplane, yes, alas, the singular frame come the winter will be fully tasked every day - it will be about five out and backs per day to Dublin, Liverpool, Gatwick, Dublin and Stansted. The early morning Stansted will continue to be flown by a Stansted based aeroplane.

As to what is to happen in the winter for the new AGP and FAO bases I am entirely fascinated as to the outcome will be and I will be reading these pages with eager anticipation - after all if they reduce in Malaga and Faro for the winter and stick the aeroplanes back in there for next summer they may well do the same back in dear ol' Cork, boy! Some might not get that last bit but you will just have to ask someone from Cork to explain!

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Old 9th Jul 2010, 14:04
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No Tom, Cork is not an 'of all places' part of the Ryanair network. You are misunderstanding the context. The context relates to seasonal bases/destinations. We typically consider Malaga, Alicante, Reus, Alghero, Faro when it comes to that line of thinking. This summer, Cork has been an exception and the first real and indeed formal example of how Ryanair's business model has taken on a new shape for all to see. It was self explanatory that southern european bases would be seasonal, however much will be the same for their northern counterparts. Gone are the days of year round flying, it has simply become cheaper to park up aircraft for nominal fees and have contract crew sitting idle.

Don't worry, Cork will have another frame or two next summer. It's by far an 'of all places' type of place.
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 19:15
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With Bratislava some of the routes are being cut, with Dublin being included in those cuts.
Well Dublin to Bratislava is on sale for the winter on the Ryanair website, four weekly - MWFS.
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 20:43
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Spring/Summer Routes

Does anyone know when the Spring/Summer flights be released? Any new routes from BHD?
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 21:29
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Well Dublin to Bratislava is on sale for the winter on the Ryanair website, four weekly - MWFS.
Haha, only went up today. I was told last week it wasn't going to happen.
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 22:06
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Gothenburg now to be served 3 weekly from EDI, from 5 Nov, with PIK route dropped
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 22:44
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Stansted - dropped. Charleroi - dropped. Gothenburg - dropped. How many more routes is Ryanair going to drop from Prestwick? I wish Prestwick would attract another major airline.
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Old 9th Jul 2010, 23:28
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This is the start of the end of regular pax ops from PIK. The only airline it will attract in the future will be operating aircraft with big cargo doors. The rest of the routes will be at GLA before you can say Michael O 'Leary

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Old 10th Jul 2010, 01:32
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Interesting that FR is pulling so many routes previously served in the winter which is indicative that the next phase of the recession is going to be bloody.

The public sector cuts across the EU will reduce the disposable cash for many people not just those employed within public sector but for many companies and industries who have a part of their turnover reliant on trading with the public sector.

Its probably like the UK situation 3 years ago when Tesco was worrying about the impact of Aldi / Lidl on their business model as they were seeing the downturn earlier than many other businesses. There are always indicators of what is really happening out there.

Unless something dramatic happens its going to be a very hard winter for all.

No doubt the anti FR brigade will be feeling smug but perhaps they should consider that if the airlines leading growth within the industry slow down then the ones who were way behind a growth curve may no longer be around.

Just like BA has suffered with the demise of the Premium passengers on their key long haul routes the prognosis for others isn't looking good.
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