Ryanair - 7

[mickyman]

Skipness

60+ million passengers - Europe-wide

Why do English people not understand
they are a small % of Ryanairs business?
I would expect more complaints from
mainland Europe than I read - if they were
as bad as some people say.
Time will tell with their business model but
its not my remit to worry about that now -
nor yours.There is always a certain amount
of tittle-tattle within a company about how
the grass is greener etc.
You decide who you fly with.

MM

[EGCC4284]

Is Ryanair returning to Manchester and basing aircraft there

[cuthere]

I've been following this thread for ages, and I have to say, Mickyman and ASFKAP, just get a room and get it out of your system. You'll feel better after....probably!

I'm sure the rest of us have noticed MM is a big Ryanair supporter, and voices his support accordingly. ASFKAP doesn't like Ryanair, and like a broken record keeps informing us of this point too.

Each to their own I suppose, but any chance of some NEWS regarding Ryanair rather than just debating their merits? We all know what kind of operator they are, and anyone, including myself, who flies with them are well aware of what they're letting themselves in for.

P.s. A final thought for ASFKAP. Lay off the smilies/emoticons will you? They're unnecessary! Cheers.

[racedo]

None of which affects me as I fly alone and with a single rucksack, however that's not most people. I ask again, where the market has seen this in action for a long time, ie in the UK, Ryanair are in retreat. Good riddance to them as well! I agree they've done amazing things to bring down the cost of flying, however they just don't know where to draw the line. Publically challenging a wheelchair service cost is a clue.

There will never be another airport terminal if this model is allowed to grow as the revenue won't be going to the operator. Ryanair forced out all competition at Shannon and now look what happened when the market proved unsustainable. Traffic collapsed and there was no Plan B as no other airline would risk SNN with an FR base. Same with PIK I think.

In the UK every airline has been in retreat but as pretty much history tells us that the Airline industry is cyclical. The difference in FR's case is that it has growth opportunities elsewhere to avail of in the downturn.

The last 2 yrs have seen the private sector get it in incomes and jobs, the next 2 its the public sector but in circa 2 years things will change thats not counting the growth from London 2012.

The days of airports being a shopping centre with a runway attached are hopefully gone because the majority of passengers have always wanted to get from A to B quickly and not spent hours sitting in a shopping centre while the airport thinks up other ways to screw money out of them. The retail specialists have earned millions from BAA in funneling people directly into shops, reducing available seating and effectively making it impossible for a person to get through security and direct to a gate without have to go past shop after shop.

I notice you seem to feel that only since the advent of Ryanair have passengers been hard done by, funny that as I can never remember cheap drop off parking at UK's main airports nor can i remember getting value for money food either but I think everybody remembers the extortionate fares with the Saturday night stay requirement a must.

The idea that the industry is a mature one is a bit of a fallacy as kids who have grown up with cheap fares may end up not having that for a few years as family incomes drop, inevitable though given the spending splurge on credit for last 15 years. Ultimately they are the next generation of passengers who not surprisingly will grab the opportunity when old enough to take advantage of visiting wherever they wish. Recessions don't last for ever despite the actions of Governments.

FR's business model relies on being able to move its assets around to get the best return. I can think of few businesses (aside from Cruise industry) that have the opportunity to move capital assets around countries to seek the best return with little or no financial penalty. Labour has always been flexible but rarely Capital assets.

What is funny though is that IF anybody wishes to track back 18 months then the very same people hoping for Ryanairs demise were claiming that adding 40 new 738's to their fleet was impossible and the sky would fall in. They added that plus a few more since and guess what the sky is still there.

I look around at the other airlines serving UK and see their position and lets see
LH - struggling to injest over paid for acquisitions like BMI etc
BA / Iberia - Pension fund with wings with inherent major structural problems that will not go away easily, BA side struggling for funds for new planes
Easyjet - a court fight between founder and company that will go on and on, a new boss who ran a paper, funny why experienced airline people stayed away from the job, risk of implosion and name change is 20/80 but as witnessed on here there are staffing issues
US airlines - Chapter 11 revolving doors
Aer Lingus - new strategy every 6-9 months while blowing hundreds of millions of euros on sacking staff, pointless expansion and covering losses
Flybe - decent niche operator but will get gobbled up eventually which if done by Legacy will not work
AF/KLM - protected domestically in France but that won't last for ever and KLM weak because its a small part of the unit and French don't do partnerships very well
FR - retirement of MO'L prob biggest risk but then again someone following same mantle but with investment in customer service weaknesses and then where does that leave the detractors............making up more reasons to hate them I guess.

[davidjohnson6]

racedo - you are considerably more pro-Ryanair than me and more often than not I disagree with your opinion. Your posts do however, like Skipness, tend to have a reasonably well-argued point.

Could others perhaps try to argue their opinion in a way similiar to Skipness and racedo ? Someone like anna_list doesn't post very often here, but what anna_list writes is usually well thought out, has a good signal-to-noise ratio and makes for interesting reading.

[Jamie2k9]

I wouldn't think so as MAG own Bournemouth Airport and with Rynair's future there up in the air I'm sure MAG are not happy with Ryanair.

Manchester would be better off without Ryanair. Also if they were to return what routes could they operate without having an impact on there Liverpool Base. They could operate routes to Hoilday spots such as Malaga, Faro, Ibiza, Palma etc.

[Jamie2k9]

Prague

Ryanair have reversed there decision to pull flights from Prague on October 30. On there booking system it shows Stockholm Skavsta is operating but not not bookable yet.

[pwalhx]

Jamie2k9 MAG also own East Midlands which has a considerable Ryanair presence.

I do not understand why when talking about Ryanair and MAG people seem to forget this fact.

[crewmeal]

Here we go again. Why can't FR spell out what their fares actually mean? As usual they are misleading.

Ryanair guilty of misleading ads - Home News, UK - The Independent

[victorc10]

Out of interest, other airlines behaving in exactly the same manner, and sometimes worse include JET2, Easyjet, Flybe etc etc etc

It is normal behaviour, also normal for other companies not related to aviation,

PPRuNe....some interesting stuff, but mostly a place for people to moan about stuff, cheaper than a therapist I suppose.

[Jamie2k9]

Bournemouth Base

Looks like a decision will be made by Ryanair.

Decision expected today over Ryanair's winter Bournemouth schedule (From Bournemouth Echo)

[Jamie2k9]

Routes on Ryanair booking system from Bournemouth which showed to be operating after October 30 but not bookable have now being taken off and all flights will end on 30 October.

[barrymah]

"Can we not get back to talking about "Airlines, airports & routes" rather than this thread going back to the pros, cons and life story of the Ryanair business model? I always regret posting anything on here as the utter tosh that follows means I end up unsubscribing to the thread again."

Well, there is a choice, but in case you persist can I raise the issue I mentioned in my previous post, namely, the number of airports which are state owned (and monopolies)?? Can anyone explain why this is? Even the BAA which is, technically, private, has been required to divest for being monopolistic.

Mo'L, yes him again, tried to establish a new terminal at Dublin on land owned by a pal, but was shot down, can't remember what the technicality was.

[EKCH2730]

The I've heard a few reliable rumblings from DAA that the Copenhagen base will be announced shortly. Ryanair will also be offering a few other new winter routes in DUB for a change this year.

Any news ragarding a possible Copenhagen base from November? It has been quit for a while, but it might be before the storm?

Personally I still think it's possible, but on the other hand not very likely to happen...

[Jamie2k9]

Any idea on what new routes will be announced from DUB this winter??

[fivejuliet]

Jamie,

Given that its been announced they are cutting back capacity at Dublin for winter it is not likely that new routes will feature

[Jamie2k9]

UK, Ireland & now Germany

As Germany plan to interduce a Travel Tax Ryanair has threatened to withdraw planes from Frankfurt Hahn, Weeze and Bremen as well as reconsider plans to fly to other German locations.

German Air Tax Deters Budget Airline Ryanair

[FR-]

Sir Stelios wins apology from O’Leary

Sir Stelios wins apology from O’Leary

FT.com / Companies / Airlines - Sir Stelios wins apology from O?Leary


Would love to watch him say sorry, shame he wouldnt mean it

Fr-

[Exasperated]

Coming soon

Edinburgh - Fuerteventura

The following routes are shown but not bookable

Edinburgh - Grenoble
Edinburgh - Wroclaw

They have been there for a while and may be an error.

Ex

[Jamie2k9]

Edinburgh - Grenoble
Edinburgh - Wroclaw

Are not in the booking system now.

Edinburgh - Fuerteventura is bookable now and operating twice weekly