DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
Getmesometraffic - then simple economics is probably trying to say that there simply isn't enough demand for 2 airports for passenger airlines in between Leeds and Edinburgh
Yes I'm Bored !!
Amazing that accordoing to the great DTV website...the airport up to 2012 had more overshooting aircarft than landing today !!!
And before you shout me down i know that doesnt include local traffic.
still a very poor reflection??
And before you shout me down i know that doesnt include local traffic.
still a very poor reflection??
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Liverpool Airport director has quit now. That means all three Peel/VAS airports are without someone in the top role. Is something going on?
Liverpool Airport boss leaves : Liverpool Airport News Stories
Liverpool Airport boss leaves : Liverpool Airport News Stories
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To say 'Liverpool Airport director' is misleading.
He wasnt THE Liverpool Airport director, he was one of the senior managers (for the terminal if memory serves).
It points to VAS bringing in their own staff now that they have been in situ for a year now.
He wasnt THE Liverpool Airport director, he was one of the senior managers (for the terminal if memory serves).
It points to VAS bringing in their own staff now that they have been in situ for a year now.
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He was the operations manager and is due to be replaced by a former airport employee soon in the same role. The Canadians have appointed one of their people as senior operation manager for all three airports and it is reported that the other airports will have replacements appointed there. Whether the salary is the same, I doubt it.
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The only glimmer of hope I can see is this paragraph out of The Northern Echo's use it or lose it article:
"Mr Richmond is hopeful of securing a new service later this year after lengthy talks with unnamed airlines, but he stressed that the airport needed the region’s support to show carriers they could prosper at DTV."
That sounds to me like they had to beg, but nevertheless it's more or less a done deal.
What bugs me is that we have far more traffic/business than many other UK airports, and you don't see them threatening to close (Manston, Lydd, Carlisle, Dundee, Gloucester etc.) So what is costing MME so much?
Why isn't GA, Cobham, KLM, Serco and the rent from all the businesses on the site paying enough?
"Mr Richmond is hopeful of securing a new service later this year after lengthy talks with unnamed airlines, but he stressed that the airport needed the region’s support to show carriers they could prosper at DTV."
That sounds to me like they had to beg, but nevertheless it's more or less a done deal.
What bugs me is that we have far more traffic/business than many other UK airports, and you don't see them threatening to close (Manston, Lydd, Carlisle, Dundee, Gloucester etc.) So what is costing MME so much?
Why isn't GA, Cobham, KLM, Serco and the rent from all the businesses on the site paying enough?
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And there are many, many regional airports in the USA that serve a small city with a single route, 2x daily to a hub airport. Possibly a bit of GA and biz jet activity on the side.
Yet none of them seem to struggle, they just carry on day by day. Some have PSO money, but not many.
Yet none of them seem to struggle, they just carry on day by day. Some have PSO money, but not many.
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Since when is:
the equivalent of:
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You might want to check out this too.... Ipswich Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carlisle is on it's chinstrap, Dundee is losing £2.6m a year, Manston and Lydd are close to London and benefit from substantial GA and some charters.
GA in the USA is on another level compared to the UK or Europe due to much lower cost of ownership and operations so its not really a level playing field for comparison.
hopeful of securing a new service
nevertheless it's more or less a done deal
You might want to check out this too.... Ipswich Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carlisle is on it's chinstrap, Dundee is losing £2.6m a year, Manston and Lydd are close to London and benefit from substantial GA and some charters.
GA in the USA is on another level compared to the UK or Europe due to much lower cost of ownership and operations so its not really a level playing field for comparison.
Durham Tees Valley boss says airport at risk of closure
The boss of the company that runs Durham Tees Valley Airport has said the hub could close unless there is a sharp increase in passenger numbers, the Northern Echo reports. Craig Richmond, chief executive of Peel Airports, said people in the Teeside region need to start using Durham Tees Valley or risk losing the facility.
The number of passengers using Durham Tees Valley has fallen from a peak of 920,000 in 2006 to a predicted of figure of less than 200,000 this year. The airport has yet to recover from losing three airlines in 2009, bmibaby, Flyglobespan and Thomson Airways. The decision last November to impose a £6 charge on passengers that must be paid at the time of departure is also rumoured to have put off a lot of potential customers.
Speaking to The Northern Echo newspaper, Mr Richmond said the loss-making airport could not be propped up indefinitely. He said: ‘I don’t know what the time frame is, but eventually if it can’t turnaround, something’s going to change. I have three airports (Durham Tees Valley, Liverpool and Robin Hood) and the other two airports have six million passengers, yet I spend half my time on Durham Tees Valley thinking what we can do.’
The number of passengers using Durham Tees Valley has fallen from a peak of 920,000 in 2006 to a predicted of figure of less than 200,000 this year. The airport has yet to recover from losing three airlines in 2009, bmibaby, Flyglobespan and Thomson Airways. The decision last November to impose a £6 charge on passengers that must be paid at the time of departure is also rumoured to have put off a lot of potential customers.
Speaking to The Northern Echo newspaper, Mr Richmond said the loss-making airport could not be propped up indefinitely. He said: ‘I don’t know what the time frame is, but eventually if it can’t turnaround, something’s going to change. I have three airports (Durham Tees Valley, Liverpool and Robin Hood) and the other two airports have six million passengers, yet I spend half my time on Durham Tees Valley thinking what we can do.’
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I don't see how there can be a sharp increase in pax numbers with less and less flights able to carry them.
Unless another operator is found or new routes introduced the writing seems to be on the wall for the airport.
Unless another operator is found or new routes introduced the writing seems to be on the wall for the airport.
Flogging a dead horse!
No more needs to be said here..the writing is on the wall.
I know I wouldnt employ VAS to run my business..they appear to be a complete shambles,devoid of any strategy or structure.
The sooner they sell back to the local councils at a knock down rate and let local people take ownership of the airport the better?
My guess(as stated before) is that KLM will drop the third lunchtime flight soon.That will leave at most 3/4 Aberdeen flights per day and 2/3 KLM flights.Cant see the Southampton lasting ,weekends only..no business passengers for a start?
THE WHOLE INFRASTUCTURE OF THE AIRPORT IS TOO FAR GONE NOW.
I know I wouldnt employ VAS to run my business..they appear to be a complete shambles,devoid of any strategy or structure.
The sooner they sell back to the local councils at a knock down rate and let local people take ownership of the airport the better?
My guess(as stated before) is that KLM will drop the third lunchtime flight soon.That will leave at most 3/4 Aberdeen flights per day and 2/3 KLM flights.Cant see the Southampton lasting ,weekends only..no business passengers for a start?
THE WHOLE INFRASTUCTURE OF THE AIRPORT IS TOO FAR GONE NOW.
So which airport owes the most money, what happened to the 230 million or so loan that was due to be paid at Newcastle, does Teesside owe similar amounts?
I keep wondering if we should split the forum, those who wish Teesside to stay open and another for those that wish Teesside to close.
I keep wondering if we should split the forum, those who wish Teesside to stay open and another for those that wish Teesside to close.
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My guess(as stated before) is that KLM will drop the third lunchtime flight soon.
Cant see the Southampton lasting ,weekends only..no business passengers for a start?
Similarly T3 operate NWI-HUY-ABZ on a Sunday, albeit not selling NWI-HUY leg
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KLM would probably keep the three flights. My understanding of their operation is that it operates a "wave" system, with waves of departures from AMS connecting with a "wave" of connecting arrivals from the UK
There are two very interesting letters in yesterday's Northern Echo. One from a GS Stapleton hits the nail on the head. I quote from part of that letter.
"At the moment Mr Richmond (MME Director) is the only businessman I know who blames his customers for not wanting the very limited range of goods he has on offer, then to add insult to injury, has the gall to actually charge his customers for using his shop. If Tesco reduced the number of items it sells to less than a quarter of those of its competitors, then charged people to enter the shop they would be out of business within a week and no-one would be surprised."
Peel have one objective, close the airport and develop the land for a profit. They are, after all, property developers.
My sympathy lies with the dedicated and loyal staff who are being kicked in the teeth on a daily basis and the hundreds of thousands of local people who would use their airport, given a chance. There were over 900,000 of them just before Peel took over.
"At the moment Mr Richmond (MME Director) is the only businessman I know who blames his customers for not wanting the very limited range of goods he has on offer, then to add insult to injury, has the gall to actually charge his customers for using his shop. If Tesco reduced the number of items it sells to less than a quarter of those of its competitors, then charged people to enter the shop they would be out of business within a week and no-one would be surprised."
Peel have one objective, close the airport and develop the land for a profit. They are, after all, property developers.
My sympathy lies with the dedicated and loyal staff who are being kicked in the teeth on a daily basis and the hundreds of thousands of local people who would use their airport, given a chance. There were over 900,000 of them just before Peel took over.
Whether it's correct or not, the Northern Echo article does explicitly state that the Sunday flight stops:
The last flight to Southampton will take off on Friday, September 2. Eastern’s four flights a day from DTV to Aberdeen, used mainly by workers in the oil and gas industry, will continue.
Falling passenger numbers were behind the decision to suspend the twice-daily Southampton service, which started in November 2009.
The Sunday flight will also cease.
A spokesman for Eastern Airways said frequency adjustments, timing changes and lower fares had failed to stimulate more demand, adding: “At a time when the economic climate is still very challenging and fuel costs continue to rise sharply, we’ve taken a tough decision to withdraw and concentrate on our core routes, as this service is not commercially viable.”
Falling passenger numbers were behind the decision to suspend the twice-daily Southampton service, which started in November 2009.
The Sunday flight will also cease.
A spokesman for Eastern Airways said frequency adjustments, timing changes and lower fares had failed to stimulate more demand, adding: “At a time when the economic climate is still very challenging and fuel costs continue to rise sharply, we’ve taken a tough decision to withdraw and concentrate on our core routes, as this service is not commercially viable.”