DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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It's subject to confirmation but I believe it's more a problem at the airlines end, although having said that the flights started a fortnight later than scheduled as well.
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Regarding a reply that has since been removed relating to Onion's "I do feel though most of the blame at the airport rest at the incompetence of the senior managment." comment.
I think it's harsh to lay the blame fully on the managements doorstep - or even the owners for that matter - uncontrollable circumstances such as economy have certainly played their role, although not to the extent the airport have suggested (they blamed pre-recession events on the recession!!).
However, it is widely believed that previous management/owners did contribute more than their fair share to the downfall and you'll be hard pushed to find a member of staff at the airport that doesn't share that opinion.
I think it's harsh to lay the blame fully on the managements doorstep - or even the owners for that matter - uncontrollable circumstances such as economy have certainly played their role, although not to the extent the airport have suggested (they blamed pre-recession events on the recession!!).
However, it is widely believed that previous management/owners did contribute more than their fair share to the downfall and you'll be hard pushed to find a member of staff at the airport that doesn't share that opinion.
all quiet?
disussion maybe seems to have run its course? anyone got anything new to say,any poitive spin,anything at all?
get the feeling even the local populace have lost interest now?
i know its no benefit to dtv but flew through newcastle last week and i hav e to say it was a nice experience(other than horrendous security queues) nice to see passengers shops aircraft etc.
i know dtv will never reach that level but its nice to dream.
i suppose we could argue that we have no security queues here!! that I feel will be detrimental to newcastle as people weere not happy!! looked like not enough staff on duty as all the xrays were not open?
maybe a bit of pr from those above? ie use dtv no queues and speedy boarding?? every little helps(OK another plug for me!!)
get the feeling even the local populace have lost interest now?
i know its no benefit to dtv but flew through newcastle last week and i hav e to say it was a nice experience(other than horrendous security queues) nice to see passengers shops aircraft etc.
i know dtv will never reach that level but its nice to dream.
i suppose we could argue that we have no security queues here!! that I feel will be detrimental to newcastle as people weere not happy!! looked like not enough staff on duty as all the xrays were not open?
maybe a bit of pr from those above? ie use dtv no queues and speedy boarding?? every little helps(OK another plug for me!!)
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Eastern?
Anychance eastern could start up a london service? Seen quite a few embraers 145's down at luton recently could they be testing the route? Be a good idea if they went ahead with it
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Eastern were considering a London route for us about 8-12 months ago, if it was going to happen we'd have heard about it by now.
Through lack of anything better to discuss, the Darlington & Stockton Times have uploaded a photo today of an executive looking fellow, perhaps for a news article tomorrow, new MD perhaps?
Newsquest Darlington & Stockton Times: View Picture: el1airpo-0208-sc.JPG
Through lack of anything better to discuss, the Darlington & Stockton Times have uploaded a photo today of an executive looking fellow, perhaps for a news article tomorrow, new MD perhaps?
Newsquest Darlington & Stockton Times: View Picture: el1airpo-0208-sc.JPG
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The sad truth is that when shipbuilding, the majority of ICI and the steelworks were taken outside and shot, the airport (DTV, Teesside or Middleton St George) was as good as finished. The airport relied on the business travel that those industries supplied. When the industries departed in the 90s, 00's, the local community could not support the quite substantial charter market that had built up. In the main they have naffed off leaving a few niche routes.
After the demise of heavy industry the Teesside area has pushed for the technology market to replace the manual labour it employed before. All well and good but that business is mainly done online. Far fewer bums on seats for business, mainly lower wages and fewer jobs for the bucket and spade runs.
Those that have money are far likely to choose not to go to Alicante (unless they have a house there) they can not get to London by air so routing through NCL or MAN are the only realistic options to get away to where they want to go by air. KLM offer an invaluable service to route through Schipol, but for how long?
It saddens me but it aint looking good
After the demise of heavy industry the Teesside area has pushed for the technology market to replace the manual labour it employed before. All well and good but that business is mainly done online. Far fewer bums on seats for business, mainly lower wages and fewer jobs for the bucket and spade runs.
Those that have money are far likely to choose not to go to Alicante (unless they have a house there) they can not get to London by air so routing through NCL or MAN are the only realistic options to get away to where they want to go by air. KLM offer an invaluable service to route through Schipol, but for how long?
It saddens me but it aint looking good
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jamier Would love a london route from DTV as currently have to go to newcastle to get on the BA flights to T5
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With Girona, Alicante (sched.), Sharm el Sheikh, Bourgas, Dalaman and Bodrum all recently gone...MME is left only with a handful of regular international destinations :
Amsterdam (scheduled, year round)
Alicante (charter, winter only)
Tenerife (charter, winter only)
Palma (charter, summer only)
I hope Thomson will decide to introduce at least Dalaman to its Summer 2012 programme, as this destination proved always very popular from MME...but after the demise of Goldtrail and H4U...it will be regrettably no longer available. DLM is going to represent a big loss for MME in term of pax figures.
Airport management must do something immediately, otherwise it will soon face the risk of a closure, in all likelihood.
Amsterdam (scheduled, year round)
Alicante (charter, winter only)
Tenerife (charter, winter only)
Palma (charter, summer only)
I hope Thomson will decide to introduce at least Dalaman to its Summer 2012 programme, as this destination proved always very popular from MME...but after the demise of Goldtrail and H4U...it will be regrettably no longer available. DLM is going to represent a big loss for MME in term of pax figures.
Airport management must do something immediately, otherwise it will soon face the risk of a closure, in all likelihood.
Holidays 4U
Anyone know how many flights they had? Im guessing 3/5 at least maybe more?
Its really looking serious now.How dependent the airport were on this summer reveune we will soon find out> We still had Aug,Sept and October to go a massive loss.My guess is around 1500 per week...5000 ish per month x 3 thats a lot of revenue and passenger taxes!
Pax figures definately below 200000 this year.
Lets hope KLM keep there promise to maintain 3 per day.
Its really looking serious now.How dependent the airport were on this summer reveune we will soon find out> We still had Aug,Sept and October to go a massive loss.My guess is around 1500 per week...5000 ish per month x 3 thats a lot of revenue and passenger taxes!
Pax figures definately below 200000 this year.
Lets hope KLM keep there promise to maintain 3 per day.
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Their programme says they offered 4 weekly flights : 2 to Dalaman (Tue, Wed) and 2 to Bodrum (Mon, Sat). Departures were available between early August and October.
All of them were oparated by Onur Air.
All of them were oparated by Onur Air.
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It's looking very gloomy to say the least. Assuming the figures on DTMovements website are correct, and no reason to doubt them, put the current traffic into context.
If you take the full year figures for 2010, so excluding any net changes for 2011 so far, you have to go back to 1975 to find a worse year.
Is there not a case for DTV to reinvent itself for GA traffic, probably not under the current ownership, and try to blossom with a scaled down but reinvigorated approach and perhaps the occassional bucket and spade charter. This cannot be sustainable for long....
If you take the full year figures for 2010, so excluding any net changes for 2011 so far, you have to go back to 1975 to find a worse year.
Is there not a case for DTV to reinvent itself for GA traffic, probably not under the current ownership, and try to blossom with a scaled down but reinvigorated approach and perhaps the occassional bucket and spade charter. This cannot be sustainable for long....
Last edited by andrewmcharlton; 5th Aug 2011 at 16:08.
Load Factors
Change of intensity!! Does anyone have the latest load factors for flights ex.DTV ? I know the excellent DTV Move site used to show them but they appear to be missing recently?
Looks like the Onur flight problems are hitting Newcastle more than us...obvious really!!
what happens next year..anyone out there to take up a massive market? Now is the time for the Commercial guys to go out there with a clean piece of paper(and offers!!) and make DTV THE airport for Turkey??
should be interesting...
Looks like the Onur flight problems are hitting Newcastle more than us...obvious really!!
what happens next year..anyone out there to take up a massive market? Now is the time for the Commercial guys to go out there with a clean piece of paper(and offers!!) and make DTV THE airport for Turkey??
should be interesting...
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NCL still has 3 airlines and about 20 flights a week flying to Turkey compared to none from Durham Tees Valley. I don't see the scope for making DTV 'the airport for Turkey' particularly as cheap holiday destinations like Turkey and Bulgaria are those that are most likely to be affected by the development fee.
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KLM
The DTV movement site seems to be working for me....not great reading but no surprises.
I have heard from KLM though that they are happy with the yields of the DTV service and will stay as long as they yields remain and as long as there is an airport to operate into....that is some good news at least.
I have heard from KLM though that they are happy with the yields of the DTV service and will stay as long as they yields remain and as long as there is an airport to operate into....that is some good news at least.
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Both the Northern Echo and Evening Gazette today (5th August) carry stories of doom and gloom for DTVA management unless people start using the airport.
Here's the Echo piece:
'Use it or lose it' - Durham Tees Valley airport warning (From The Northern Echo)
Here's the Echo piece:
'Use it or lose it' - Durham Tees Valley airport warning (From The Northern Echo)
Use it?? How ??
Good point 10DME
How on earth can punters fly from DTV if there are no flights to anywhere? me thinks this is passing the buck and blaming the local populace for the shortcomings of PEEL and VAS ??
They need to get off their Fat A...s and get some flights in that people can use.
I Despair !!
How on earth can punters fly from DTV if there are no flights to anywhere? me thinks this is passing the buck and blaming the local populace for the shortcomings of PEEL and VAS ??
They need to get off their Fat A...s and get some flights in that people can use.
I Despair !!
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Read the article properly, more specifically, the Q&A part. They're obviously trying, they're just acknowledging the near-impossible economic environment they're having to try and overcome.
The operating conditions wouldn't have been such a problem if Peel hadn't of put us so deeply in the s
t - VAS are at least attempting to get us out of it.
The operating conditions wouldn't have been such a problem if Peel hadn't of put us so deeply in the s
t - VAS are at least attempting to get us out of it.
Teesside Airport's management are still not seeing the picture. You don't buy from a shop that has nothing on the shelves. Even the products they have to sell are overpriced because of the PFF. A local family going to Canada via AMS found that the price through NCL is £10 per head cheaper plus £6 per head PFF. For a family of 4 that is £64. They are going via NCL, a drive of 45miles each way instead of 12 miles. They are being dropped off because the car parking fees at both airports are too high. Simple economics.