DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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I have noticed a pick up on advertising on the DTV website but apart from enthusiasts who reads that regularly?
I am really surprised the Evening Gazette/Darlington & Stockton Times etc have not been sought by DTVA as a major vehicule for advertising. I think this would be far more effective/cheaper for DTVA and Peel than TV/Radio.
As for development, are we to presume the announcement of new routes has ended with JER?
There's talk on the DSA thread of an easyjet A319 base at MME in the same vein as they are getting, using LPL crew and equipment. Sadly, I think this is a non-starter given the close proximity to NCL and the EZY base there.
I still, however, think there could be opportunity for TOM to add a few W patterns out of MME for Summer 2010. Although they pulled out with the onset of WW/GSM, a little like T3, TOM seem never to fully give up on MME with their ALC, PMI and Ski/Lapland/Cruise charters. Surely, they could fill a 1 x weekly B737 or even B757 to AGP, FAO, REU, TFS to complement their summer PMI service.
I am really surprised the Evening Gazette/Darlington & Stockton Times etc have not been sought by DTVA as a major vehicule for advertising. I think this would be far more effective/cheaper for DTVA and Peel than TV/Radio.
As for development, are we to presume the announcement of new routes has ended with JER?
There's talk on the DSA thread of an easyjet A319 base at MME in the same vein as they are getting, using LPL crew and equipment. Sadly, I think this is a non-starter given the close proximity to NCL and the EZY base there.
I still, however, think there could be opportunity for TOM to add a few W patterns out of MME for Summer 2010. Although they pulled out with the onset of WW/GSM, a little like T3, TOM seem never to fully give up on MME with their ALC, PMI and Ski/Lapland/Cruise charters. Surely, they could fill a 1 x weekly B737 or even B757 to AGP, FAO, REU, TFS to complement their summer PMI service.
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There's not a great deal to advertise at MME at present so it would not be cost effective to use the Press. As for Easyjet, there are two chances of them using MME, fat and no.
The way forward is through the standard charter companies.The problem with them is the lack of choice of destinations and hotels when you get there and the swingeing extra cost to fly from MME. £60 per person on most flights last year. If you are taking your family on holiday it adds up to a huge extra cost which is not justified by the airlines costs. I don't know what the yields are on the TOM ,ALC, flights are at the moment but all the seats were full on the last one I went on.Every bucket and spade flight I have travelled on in the last 10 years out of Teessside has been full but I see that the averages are only between 85% and 90% full according to official figures.Perhaps I have been travelling at the wrong/right times.
The ogre barperson lacking in social skills still works in the bar so nobody has picked up on who it is yet. Security was OK at last but there wasn't any pressure on the when I travelled last week.
The way forward is through the standard charter companies.The problem with them is the lack of choice of destinations and hotels when you get there and the swingeing extra cost to fly from MME. £60 per person on most flights last year. If you are taking your family on holiday it adds up to a huge extra cost which is not justified by the airlines costs. I don't know what the yields are on the TOM ,ALC, flights are at the moment but all the seats were full on the last one I went on.Every bucket and spade flight I have travelled on in the last 10 years out of Teessside has been full but I see that the averages are only between 85% and 90% full according to official figures.Perhaps I have been travelling at the wrong/right times.
The ogre barperson lacking in social skills still works in the bar so nobody has picked up on who it is yet. Security was OK at last but there wasn't any pressure on the when I travelled last week.
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November pax figures are out, I won't go through all of them, but there were 309 people flew in/out on the new Southampton route, and there were 84 flights in November, meaning an average of 3.5 pax per flight which is a load factor of 26%.
Whether or not that's good I'll leave up to you to decide. Overall, pax figures were down 56.9% to 13,721.
Whether or not that's good I'll leave up to you to decide. Overall, pax figures were down 56.9% to 13,721.
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EZY at MME
Whilst I'd agree that there is next to zero chance of finding a based A319 turning up at MME any time soon, is there not a reasonable chance that EZY could be coaxed into at least operating some winter MME-GVA schedules (as they've done for a number of years from BHX and BOH)?
Might be small fry in the great scheme of things, but even solely a sat-sun MME-GVA operation would be a good step forward compared with where the airport is at right now.
After all, lets face it, anyone within Peel assuming they're going to conjure up a new based B737/A319 or similar operation within the next few years is kidding themselves. But per the BE MME-JER etc, by concentrating on the small and achieveable steps forward and by getting the passenger experience right I believe they can rebuild a half decent business. Getting side-tracked by ridiculous notions of being able to replicate LPL in the north-east is, as the last couple of years has shown, a hiding to nothing.
Whilst I'd agree that there is next to zero chance of finding a based A319 turning up at MME any time soon, is there not a reasonable chance that EZY could be coaxed into at least operating some winter MME-GVA schedules (as they've done for a number of years from BHX and BOH)?
Might be small fry in the great scheme of things, but even solely a sat-sun MME-GVA operation would be a good step forward compared with where the airport is at right now.
After all, lets face it, anyone within Peel assuming they're going to conjure up a new based B737/A319 or similar operation within the next few years is kidding themselves. But per the BE MME-JER etc, by concentrating on the small and achieveable steps forward and by getting the passenger experience right I believe they can rebuild a half decent business. Getting side-tracked by ridiculous notions of being able to replicate LPL in the north-east is, as the last couple of years has shown, a hiding to nothing.
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DTV - How do you get a L/F of 26% from 3.5 pax on a 29 seater a/c?? I make it 12%??
DTV - How do you get a L/F of 26% from 3.5 pax on a 29 seater a/c?? I make it 12%??
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Well whilst not surprising, these figures are not fantastic but quite respectful given the route has started in the midst of a recession, from an area heavily hit by the downturn and offered by a premium business orientated carrier.
Totally agree with the EZY point. I was merely sharing what was being said on the DSA thread. With no EZY base close, this was always the more realistic choice.
As for expansion, I 100% agree that small achievable steps are the way forward as there is hardly a carrier left who would give MME a go with based aircraft. LS/EZY-too close to NCL and LBA, WW/GSM-been there, done it, FR-can't see it with LBA and no DUB service on offer. That just leaves BE offering the med routes similar to EXT/SOU or cities like MAN/BHX. Unsure this will happen.
JER was definitely achievable, SOU was a surprise but welcome and low risk given it is shared with LBA. As for other 'achievable' routes, what about still:
-Aer Arann to DUB (possibly via BLK or IOM?).
-still could see TOM with a few W patterns.
-what about FR from REU base?
Totally agree with the EZY point. I was merely sharing what was being said on the DSA thread. With no EZY base close, this was always the more realistic choice.
As for expansion, I 100% agree that small achievable steps are the way forward as there is hardly a carrier left who would give MME a go with based aircraft. LS/EZY-too close to NCL and LBA, WW/GSM-been there, done it, FR-can't see it with LBA and no DUB service on offer. That just leaves BE offering the med routes similar to EXT/SOU or cities like MAN/BHX. Unsure this will happen.
JER was definitely achievable, SOU was a surprise but welcome and low risk given it is shared with LBA. As for other 'achievable' routes, what about still:
-Aer Arann to DUB (possibly via BLK or IOM?).
-still could see TOM with a few W patterns.
-what about FR from REU base?
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What is this fascination with Locos and scheduled flights?They add very little value to the airport in terms of purchasing. Teesside was at it's best when it was heavily involved in holiday charters and that is the only way for a small regional airport to go. Passengers tend to use the carpark for 7/14 days and tend to spend a lot more whilst at the airport.
I do think you have joined the so called management who appear to want to recruit flibbertygibbet airlines rather than concentrate on their core business.
I do think you have joined the so called management who appear to want to recruit flibbertygibbet airlines rather than concentrate on their core business.
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But Paarmo are the UK charters concentrating on the UK regional airports? No, they are focussing in on LGW, BHX and MAN with skeleton bases at the 'larger' regional airports like EMA and NCL.
What MME, HUY and NWI could provide is a core niche for smaller regional airlines such as T3 and, to a much lesser extent, BE.
On another note, it almost seems fate that MME should be in this situation as interesting to see both WW and GSM are looking more and more unstable.
What was the official line for Wizz leaving MME? Always thought the WAW had healthy loads and interesting to see them still serving DSA.
What MME, HUY and NWI could provide is a core niche for smaller regional airlines such as T3 and, to a much lesser extent, BE.
On another note, it almost seems fate that MME should be in this situation as interesting to see both WW and GSM are looking more and more unstable.
What was the official line for Wizz leaving MME? Always thought the WAW had healthy loads and interesting to see them still serving DSA.
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The reason Wizz left is because the funding for the route provided by one of the RDAs dried up, having said that, you'd think if the route was making money it would have continued regardless. Wizz had a fairly big presence in the UK, was MME the only airport in the Country they've abandoned in the last few years?
Also, Flyglobespan have gone into administration, I dunno about you, but I think it's better they left when they did than if they were still here & left because of bankruptcy.
Also, Flyglobespan have gone into administration, I dunno about you, but I think it's better they left when they did than if they were still here & left because of bankruptcy.
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Let's hope the marketing department seize on the cameo appearance of DTV on tonight's Top Gear!!
Not to be pedantic, but it was clearly a fictious arrival by James May and Richard Hammond of course, unless they arrived from ABZ or AMS but nevertheless an exciting 10 second clip of the arrivals, ATC tower and frontage!
I'm sure that alone could secure a new operator
Not to be pedantic, but it was clearly a fictious arrival by James May and Richard Hammond of course, unless they arrived from ABZ or AMS but nevertheless an exciting 10 second clip of the arrivals, ATC tower and frontage!
I'm sure that alone could secure a new operator
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James May is a PPL holder so may have flown in with the Hamster,
The video showed a empty arrivals lounge and an empty car park, so yes i guess that'll have the airlines dashing to MME er not
The video showed a empty arrivals lounge and an empty car park, so yes i guess that'll have the airlines dashing to MME er not
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Such as GSM ? 
I never said that getting the charter companies back would be easy but courting them rather than here today gone tomorrow companies surely has to be the way forward.
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Teesside were riding on the crest of an apparently unstoppable wave of expansion when they got Globespan. They had an appalling reliability record yet still filled their aircraft. They fell between all of the classifications of charter/loco/scheduled(flag) carriers and I think that lack of definition contributed to their demise.Schmoose the charter carriers that everyone knows and "trusts" and leave the speculation to someone else.
As for the terminal and carpark appearing empty on Top Gear, I take it you do not know about how TV programmes etc are edited together.What you don't want when you are doing an apparently unscripted and ad lib conversation whilst walking and being filmed are members of the public interupting and walking uncontrolled into shot. Much better to wait for a clear space and run it for however many takes it takes to can it. Even if they had arrived with dozens of other people it would have taken an hour to set up the shot and the others would have been well gone. It's not real life , it's all scripted and rehearsed or retakes and I don't think airlines would take any notice at all.
I like the programme but this wasn't one of their best.
As for the terminal and carpark appearing empty on Top Gear, I take it you do not know about how TV programmes etc are edited together.What you don't want when you are doing an apparently unscripted and ad lib conversation whilst walking and being filmed are members of the public interupting and walking uncontrolled into shot. Much better to wait for a clear space and run it for however many takes it takes to can it. Even if they had arrived with dozens of other people it would have taken an hour to set up the shot and the others would have been well gone. It's not real life , it's all scripted and rehearsed or retakes and I don't think airlines would take any notice at all.
I like the programme but this wasn't one of their best.
From Flight International:
MIDWEST REBRANDED
UK business aviation services provider Midwest Executive Aviation is to be rebranded as Weston Aviation along with its sister companies Weston Air International and Focus Air Charter. The company is preparing to open a fixed-base operation at Durham Tees Valley airport that will house a VIP and crew lounge, conference and meeting rooms and administrative offices.
UK business aviation services provider Midwest Executive Aviation is to be rebranded as Weston Aviation along with its sister companies Weston Air International and Focus Air Charter. The company is preparing to open a fixed-base operation at Durham Tees Valley airport that will house a VIP and crew lounge, conference and meeting rooms and administrative offices.
