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I make it an expected total of around 210000 give or take for the year
Where will the revenue come from to keep DTV afloat?
From the Northern Echo:
‘Departure of airport chief not part of cuts’ (From The Northern Echo)
Operator Peel Airports has been in talks with a number of airlines about new route opportunities and a link-up with London Southend Airport is one of the options.
A deal with the Essex-based site, which has a fast rail link into central London, would offer Durham Tees Valley the foothold close to the capital it has craved since bmi cancelled its service to Heathrow in 2009.
However, no deal is expected in the short-term
A deal with the Essex-based site, which has a fast rail link into central London, would offer Durham Tees Valley the foothold close to the capital it has craved since bmi cancelled its service to Heathrow in 2009.
However, no deal is expected in the short-term
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Your comments on KLM about scheduel maybe correct but the yields on the Tesside fights are very good for KLM with many long haul passengers according to them using this serrvice. Now if there is an airport to land and depart from, well that is another story.
Your comments on KLM about scheduel maybe correct but the yields on the Tesside fights are very good for KLM with many long haul passengers according to them using this serrvice. Now if there is an airport to land and depart from, well that is another story.
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Journalists have used this thread before for information on the airport, I can't help but wonder if my comments provoked the Northern Echo article SWBKCB posted, if so, I have only one thing to say - sh!t.
Posted in June 2009
In April 2011 MME had approx 16,300 passengers.
Looking at CAA stats for the year from July 2010 to June 2011, Scatsta now has substantially more passengers than MME. Come to that, if you ignore airports on islands, the only UK airports with scheduled passenger service and smaller passenger numbers are Dundee, Manston, Plymouth and Southend
Reading the article in the Northern Echo, I can't figure out why a route from MME to Southend should work, when the train from Darlington to King's Cross would be both a faster and more frequent way to reach central London - can someone point the obvious bit of logic that I'm missing ?
24,790 pax in April would in terms of number of pax throughput, give MME a ranking in the UK somewhere close to Scatsta in Shetland. It does at least comfortably beat other places in Shetland / Orkney like Sumburgh and Kirkwall
Looking at CAA stats for the year from July 2010 to June 2011, Scatsta now has substantially more passengers than MME. Come to that, if you ignore airports on islands, the only UK airports with scheduled passenger service and smaller passenger numbers are Dundee, Manston, Plymouth and Southend
Reading the article in the Northern Echo, I can't figure out why a route from MME to Southend should work, when the train from Darlington to King's Cross would be both a faster and more frequent way to reach central London - can someone point the obvious bit of logic that I'm missing ?
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highwideandugly the revenues come from all over the airport (TNT, FR/Cobham, the clubs, any cargo, MOD, fire school, Terminal revenues, GA fees, car parking) not just passenger numbers and flights! The development fees will help cover short falls too. I wish people could see past the idea that passengers are the be all and end all! Yes they are very important but so are other areas!
On another note the idea of a Southend service isn't such a bad one, the train goes straight into Liverpool Street and is ideal for the City and Canary Wharf. As such Eastern would suit the type of person the service may attract. Lets face it the days of a London service putting 10k+ a month through the airport are gone unless the forced sale of Stansted leads to the opening up of slots at LGW or LHR through better competition, but to be honest I can't see it really, at least not for 5-10 years!
On another note the idea of a Southend service isn't such a bad one, the train goes straight into Liverpool Street and is ideal for the City and Canary Wharf. As such Eastern would suit the type of person the service may attract. Lets face it the days of a London service putting 10k+ a month through the airport are gone unless the forced sale of Stansted leads to the opening up of slots at LGW or LHR through better competition, but to be honest I can't see it really, at least not for 5-10 years!
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the train goes straight into Liverpool Street
the train goes straight into Kings Cross
And do bankers want to go to Middlesborough anyway? No flights from LCY to Newcastle, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool. Why should Tees-side be different?
If a Southend link worked it could only be as a feeder into the forthcoming Easyjet flights to short-haul destinations in Europe. But if you have to pay someone like Eastern to get to Southend you may as well get on KLM direct to Amsterdam for a much wider choice of connecting destinations.
Oh, there's a straw! Damn, missed it again....
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Cause for Optimism?
Onion I really do admire your positive spins!! You should be on the board of MME !
TNT .... no longer operate so no revenue there
Flying club movements way down(fuel costs as much as charges)'....not much revenue there
Cargo ?...... not much I'm afraid so no revenue there
GA fees again way down I would guess and dont forget they have to be shared with Midwest or whatever they are called? I think ncl took over the fbo up there and took all charges as a result..wonder i that could happen here? Why share the fees with another party when you can put your staff in and cream all the profits!! ..... not much revenue there
Terminal revenue? no passengers means no shop spend no car parking fees .......so no revenue there.
Fire school fixed contract so no/little increase over a year ....so not much revenue there
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FR/Cobham once heard it was worth around 2 million a year? as stated many times they go(which is a distinct possibility due cuts) then MME goes-only real revenue earner
MOD flights almost down to nothing(thank goodness??) ....no revenue there
so all of that = no revenue in my book hence the redundencies,ghost town appearance,blocked off terminal ,no trains, no one on buses and the majority of threads on this forum !!
TNT .... no longer operate so no revenue there
Flying club movements way down(fuel costs as much as charges)'....not much revenue there
Cargo ?...... not much I'm afraid so no revenue there
GA fees again way down I would guess and dont forget they have to be shared with Midwest or whatever they are called? I think ncl took over the fbo up there and took all charges as a result..wonder i that could happen here? Why share the fees with another party when you can put your staff in and cream all the profits!! ..... not much revenue there
Terminal revenue? no passengers means no shop spend no car parking fees .......so no revenue there.
Fire school fixed contract so no/little increase over a year ....so not much revenue there
and finally
FR/Cobham once heard it was worth around 2 million a year? as stated many times they go(which is a distinct possibility due cuts) then MME goes-only real revenue earner
MOD flights almost down to nothing(thank goodness??) ....no revenue there
so all of that = no revenue in my book hence the redundencies,ghost town appearance,blocked off terminal ,no trains, no one on buses and the majority of threads on this forum !!
highwideandugly. Hangar 2 is full of TNT no aircraft but dozens of trucks which fill the full hangar and surrounding parking space so probably making more money than the aircraft on its own.
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Fares are also a lot cheaper SEN to Liverpool St than Stansted.
Purely in the interests of accuracy, I just checked the National Rail Enquiries website for a rail journey tomorrow afternoon from both Stansted and Southend Airport to Liverpool Street.
Southend Airport to Liverpool Street £14.30 single 54 minutes
Stansted to Liverpool Street £21.00 single 48 minutes
So the Southend option certainly seems competitive on price and takes just 6 minutes longer.
Southend Airport to Liverpool Street £14.30 single 54 minutes
Stansted to Liverpool Street £21.00 single 48 minutes
So the Southend option certainly seems competitive on price and takes just 6 minutes longer.
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The hangar might be full, but you can do that in any industrial estate without the hassle of an airport.
DTV is a sad ghost town of its former self and i don't think there is much that the management could have done about it.
With Leeds down the road and NCL up the road both served by good road link from the DTV catchment area, plus the rail links South it never had a chance, the best it could hope for is to persuade the Government that development area status should exempt it from APD from November if the planned increases go ahead it will cost £24 to fly anywhere return in the UK and that's before airport & security charges of probably another £12-15 plus your own shoot me in the foot £6.00 levy
I see only a long slow death for DTV all the Loco's did (baby/FR/Globespan) did was to delay it a few years more. Bagby has more movements that DTV........says it all.
I would lobby for it to be joint military that way at least fire cover and ATC could be preserved for the future, its lasted longer than i ever thought it would, but it can't go on, nice big car park for a B&Q or Tesco
DTV is a sad ghost town of its former self and i don't think there is much that the management could have done about it.
With Leeds down the road and NCL up the road both served by good road link from the DTV catchment area, plus the rail links South it never had a chance, the best it could hope for is to persuade the Government that development area status should exempt it from APD from November if the planned increases go ahead it will cost £24 to fly anywhere return in the UK and that's before airport & security charges of probably another £12-15 plus your own shoot me in the foot £6.00 levy
I see only a long slow death for DTV all the Loco's did (baby/FR/Globespan) did was to delay it a few years more. Bagby has more movements that DTV........says it all.
I would lobby for it to be joint military that way at least fire cover and ATC could be preserved for the future, its lasted longer than i ever thought it would, but it can't go on, nice big car park for a B&Q or Tesco
With hindsight was it perhaps a mistake going down the route of attracting based low-cost operators and turning their back on the charter bucket and spade market, which was traditionally popular from MME?
I know there has been much consolidation in the charter market over the last couple of years, and HUY has suffered as a consequence as well, but were all eggs in one basket in the case of MME?
I know there has been much consolidation in the charter market over the last couple of years, and HUY has suffered as a consequence as well, but were all eggs in one basket in the case of MME?
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Pug, when myself and others met Mike Morton a few weeks ago he admitted that Peel at the time could only see LCCs and nothing else and that there was a sense of regret.
Ive been flamed for saying this before, and probably will again. I fully believe a large part of the Peel Airports business model was based on the success of LPL. By that I mean multiple daily low-cost flights on 737 sized aircraft, and therefore claw back revenue from footfall.
It clearly hasnt worked at MME, and not too sure about DSA either. I hope VAS can pull something out of the bag, they certainly have the experience of running airports. Though they need to make money from somewhere..
It clearly hasnt worked at MME, and not too sure about DSA either. I hope VAS can pull something out of the bag, they certainly have the experience of running airports. Though they need to make money from somewhere..