DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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Pug - the info about Peel will come as no surprise to regular readers of Private Eye. The Liverpool Waters scheme will have such an adverse visual impact on Liverpool's iconic waterfront that Unesco has threatened to withdraw the City's World Heritage status, which is hardly likely to be beneficial to tourism.
Whatever the local merits of DTVA, the suspicion with Peel is that if they see more value to the airport site in an alternative use (such as housing or industrial development) they will have no compunction whatsoever about running the airport down. It is this conflict of interest that should make everyone concerned about having Peel running their airport - they are, after all, just a property developer.
Whatever the local merits of DTVA, the suspicion with Peel is that if they see more value to the airport site in an alternative use (such as housing or industrial development) they will have no compunction whatsoever about running the airport down. It is this conflict of interest that should make everyone concerned about having Peel running their airport - they are, after all, just a property developer.
Passenger on Amsterdam route:
Jan 2005 - 9,316 pax
Jan 2006 - 9,355 pax
Jan 2007 - 9,387 pax
Jan 2008 - 8,791 pax
Jan 2009 - 7,988 pax
Jan 2010 - 6,530 pax
Jan 2011 - 7,995 pax
Jan 2012 - 7,040 pax
Jan 2013 - 6,252 pax
Jan 2014 - 7,743 pax
It is clear to see how numbers fell after the autumn 2008 credit crunch. It is worth noting that the Jan 2014 figure is still below Jan 2009 and Jan 2011, so don't get too excited !
During January, KLM sometimes operate fewer rotations in the first week after 1 January. The month is also prone to weather related cancellations. Heavy rain annoys passengers but doesn't close airports like snow did in some previous years.
One should therefore be quite careful about comparing the change in weather-sensitive months between 2 years in isolation and try to look instead at the trend
Jan 2005 - 9,316 pax
Jan 2006 - 9,355 pax
Jan 2007 - 9,387 pax
Jan 2008 - 8,791 pax
Jan 2009 - 7,988 pax
Jan 2010 - 6,530 pax
Jan 2011 - 7,995 pax
Jan 2012 - 7,040 pax
Jan 2013 - 6,252 pax
Jan 2014 - 7,743 pax
It is clear to see how numbers fell after the autumn 2008 credit crunch. It is worth noting that the Jan 2014 figure is still below Jan 2009 and Jan 2011, so don't get too excited !
During January, KLM sometimes operate fewer rotations in the first week after 1 January. The month is also prone to weather related cancellations. Heavy rain annoys passengers but doesn't close airports like snow did in some previous years.
One should therefore be quite careful about comparing the change in weather-sensitive months between 2 years in isolation and try to look instead at the trend
KLM figures
Asked a question on LPL thread to see if a comparison could be made between them and us.Of course KLM pulled the plug on LPL...
According to stats in the Friends of Liverpool Airport magazine (09/27) KLM carried 129,000 pax in 2010 and 124,000 in 2011 between LPL and Amsterdam. Of course passenger numbers are only part of the picture - yields will be an important factor and at DTV you have the 'benefit' of no competition on the route so yields may not be too bad.
Compare these figures to DTV and I would suggest we are flirting with danger good yield or not...??
According to stats in the Friends of Liverpool Airport magazine (09/27) KLM carried 129,000 pax in 2010 and 124,000 in 2011 between LPL and Amsterdam. Of course passenger numbers are only part of the picture - yields will be an important factor and at DTV you have the 'benefit' of no competition on the route so yields may not be too bad.
Compare these figures to DTV and I would suggest we are flirting with danger good yield or not...??
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ABAR 2014
A little bit of good news; on 5th June the Around Britain Air Rally will stop at DTVA for the night. The last ABAR event involved 45 aircraft, so not only is it good as a one off event but will hopefully boost the airports reputation within the GA world. 
January figures
Although ams and Abz figures up total airport figures for January are down 12%
If that continues then passenger figures for 2014 will be around 140k .too reliant on klm (2 years into a 3 year contract gone)and Eastern me thinks? With no hope of more flights.
Never mind 45 light aircraft movements will help...free landing fees I hope? And let's hope no disruption to remaining schedules...
If that continues then passenger figures for 2014 will be around 140k .too reliant on klm (2 years into a 3 year contract gone)and Eastern me thinks? With no hope of more flights.
Never mind 45 light aircraft movements will help...free landing fees I hope? And let's hope no disruption to remaining schedules...
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Scottish independence and DTV.
Regarding the ABZ eastern flights.
If Scotland vote for independence, what will happen to those flights?
Will the rig workers have to go through passport control, will the taxes on those flights go up? Will Peel find a new excuse to put the £6 special Peel tax up?
Will Peel put the Avgas prices up for the fly in day?
If Scotland vote for independence, what will happen to those flights?
Will the rig workers have to go through passport control, will the taxes on those flights go up? Will Peel find a new excuse to put the £6 special Peel tax up?
Will Peel put the Avgas prices up for the fly in day?
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There are no plans to raise the PFF and fuel prices will not be increased, if anything they'll have a bulk purchase discount. As far as Scottish independence is concerned, cross the bridge if and when it happens.
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Eastern & ABZ
My understanding is that all the rigs will be towed south of the 55 degree line if there is a Yes vote, guaranteeing DTV much increased traffic going forward. 
New routes..maybe
Robert Ryan mentions possible new route coming...any mileage in Etihad regional giving it a go? Maybe gat wick and Southend?
Anyone know what TNT was in for...emptying hangar for development or actual freight charter?
Anyone know what TNT was in for...emptying hangar for development or actual freight charter?
A route from DTV to Southend seems most unlikely - would have to rely purely on O&D traffic without any connection onto Abu Dhabi for longhaul - just can't see there being sufficient demand for such a route
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I can think of many viable potential routes but I'm having a hard time thinking of potential airlines to operate them.
The TNT aircraft that operated the flight the other day operates on behalf of NATO.
The TNT aircraft that operated the flight the other day operates on behalf of NATO.
The TNT 757 went onto a passenger stand so with it being a combie it could of been a passenger flight also no sign of the loader.
Southend why not for business flights, how far is the station to central London?
Southend why not for business flights, how far is the station to central London?
If an airline operated from DTV to Southend, then anyone travelling from Darlington or Middlesbrough to London would almost certainly just take the train instead.
The train from either of these stations to London takes no more than 3h01 minutes and runs every hour - a flight from DTV to Southend cannot possibly compete on frequency, door-to-door-time, cost or on general comfort (i/e. relatively uninterrupted journey with space for work).
If a route from DTV to Southend were to exist, it would have to be for people travelling specifically to/from south Essex rather than central London. Perhaps there are enough to fill an Eastern J41, but the passengers probably wouldn't be willing to pay Eastern's high fares compared to the train.
The train from either of these stations to London takes no more than 3h01 minutes and runs every hour - a flight from DTV to Southend cannot possibly compete on frequency, door-to-door-time, cost or on general comfort (i/e. relatively uninterrupted journey with space for work).
If a route from DTV to Southend were to exist, it would have to be for people travelling specifically to/from south Essex rather than central London. Perhaps there are enough to fill an Eastern J41, but the passengers probably wouldn't be willing to pay Eastern's high fares compared to the train.
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Beafer, like many others, I hate the tedious 'man in the village', 'letters in the Evening Gazette', 'did Peter Fossil ever get his reply' posts that continuously appear on here, it's nothing but b
cks.
But I'm gonna give you this one, there's a bit more to it.
I don't know where the £20m has gone either, I do believe that Peel believe their absorbing of the annual losses are part of the £20m, which is bull
There were other interested parties when Peel sold the airport to themselves - at least three.
He's completely right about many if not all of the other letters being naive - that is putting it lightly. He's also right about it being impractical for the councils to intervene in any way shape or form.
cks.But I'm gonna give you this one, there's a bit more to it.
I don't know where the £20m has gone either, I do believe that Peel believe their absorbing of the annual losses are part of the £20m, which is bull
There were other interested parties when Peel sold the airport to themselves - at least three.
He's completely right about many if not all of the other letters being naive - that is putting it lightly. He's also right about it being impractical for the councils to intervene in any way shape or form.
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What Cooky isn't saying is why the 6 councils sold the airport to the initial peel buyer in 2002 time for a ridiculous sum of money?
The councils didn't owe any debts on DTV as far as I know, it was surplus to WW2 and paid for from what I've been told. The councils said they needed somebody to invest in the airport at the time. Who would have thought the airport would now be turning companies like Thomsons and holiday flights away!!!
£500k was all peel paid for the whole 250 acres.
There is no way they have put £20m into the DTV. Its a joke to state that.
Can Cooky provide accounts to show this £20m or is he taking peels word for it? Sounds like mushroom treatment.
He's only popped his head above the parapet because people are stating in the papers including the echo that the public should remember which councillors have given the local airport away, and to remember which ones in the next elections and those elections are coming up.
ONE NORTH EAST paid for the new road into dtv not peel.
A grant also paid for the new fence to be erected not peel.
So where is this £20m which has been spent???
Oh lets not forget the BMI compensation of £8m which peel are supposed to have been given as well. It stinks.
If DTV A has any figures to show where the £20 has gone I'd be very interested?
The councils didn't owe any debts on DTV as far as I know, it was surplus to WW2 and paid for from what I've been told. The councils said they needed somebody to invest in the airport at the time. Who would have thought the airport would now be turning companies like Thomsons and holiday flights away!!!
£500k was all peel paid for the whole 250 acres.
There is no way they have put £20m into the DTV. Its a joke to state that.
Can Cooky provide accounts to show this £20m or is he taking peels word for it? Sounds like mushroom treatment.
He's only popped his head above the parapet because people are stating in the papers including the echo that the public should remember which councillors have given the local airport away, and to remember which ones in the next elections and those elections are coming up.
ONE NORTH EAST paid for the new road into dtv not peel.
A grant also paid for the new fence to be erected not peel.
So where is this £20m which has been spent???
Oh lets not forget the BMI compensation of £8m which peel are supposed to have been given as well. It stinks.
If DTV A has any figures to show where the £20 has gone I'd be very interested?
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Letter
There is one line in the letter that I would like to comment on and that is the comment that the government have rejected two RGF bids that would have unlocked tens of millions in investment.
Firstly, you would have to ask why the government rejected the bids. At the very least, it was because the bids were not well put together but could also be due to the fact they didn't think the case was strong enough versus other investment opportunities. That said, whatever the government thinks, if Peel think this is an unjust decision and they truly believe this cash would unlock the future, then why not lend the money themselves from one of their various entities. Such a good investment would clearly bring big revenues back to their pockets right? However, Peel chose not to, and this can only be because they didn't think it was a strong enough investment either OR they don't see a long term future in the airport.
So, I think they should stop blaming the government and start to be honest. I'm not a fan of these letters as they ask the same questions but how about asking the question:
"If DTV is such a good investment, why doesn't Peel put in the equivalent RGF money themselves?"
And the honest answer is probably a simple one. They have bigger fish to fry and it will be incredibly difficult to make this work - however if the government turn us down, we can blame them. After all, we're already blaming APD, BMI, the economy etc we may as well blame the RGF bid evaluators as well.
Firstly, you would have to ask why the government rejected the bids. At the very least, it was because the bids were not well put together but could also be due to the fact they didn't think the case was strong enough versus other investment opportunities. That said, whatever the government thinks, if Peel think this is an unjust decision and they truly believe this cash would unlock the future, then why not lend the money themselves from one of their various entities. Such a good investment would clearly bring big revenues back to their pockets right? However, Peel chose not to, and this can only be because they didn't think it was a strong enough investment either OR they don't see a long term future in the airport.
So, I think they should stop blaming the government and start to be honest. I'm not a fan of these letters as they ask the same questions but how about asking the question:
"If DTV is such a good investment, why doesn't Peel put in the equivalent RGF money themselves?"
And the honest answer is probably a simple one. They have bigger fish to fry and it will be incredibly difficult to make this work - however if the government turn us down, we can blame them. After all, we're already blaming APD, BMI, the economy etc we may as well blame the RGF bid evaluators as well.
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ONE NORTH EAST paid for the new road into dtv not peel.
A grant also paid for the new fence to be erected not peel.
So where is this £20m which has been spent???
Oh lets not forget the BMI compensation of £8m which peel are supposed to have been given as well
A grant also paid for the new fence to be erected not peel.
So where is this £20m which has been spent???
Oh lets not forget the BMI compensation of £8m which peel are supposed to have been given as well
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Petition
It makes me laugh, the people that start these petitions clearly have no clue whatsoever.
Why can't people see past holiday flights?? Yes they would be nice, but there is so much more to airports than that.
As for the Northern Echo article:
Read the plans, they're not building on the airport, they're building adjacent to it, there is no threat whatsoever to the existing airport
As someone else pointed out on here a couple of weeks back, that's like, 0.002% of the region, Downing Street won't give it a second glance, and if they did what would/could they do?!
Says it all
Does she really think Peel aren't constantly on the phone and in meetings etc trying to achieve this????? 
No. Contrary to what some on here believe, they've got more sense
Why can't people see past holiday flights?? Yes they would be nice, but there is so much more to airports than that.
As for the Northern Echo article:
Coun Hobson said: “To build on the airport, to me, is sacrilege. It is the beginning of the end.”
MORE than 2,500 people have signed a petition calling on the Government to safeguard Durham Tees Valley Airport.
She also believes that rather than investing in London airports, more flights should be diverted to Teesside
and that the airport should be offering more destinations to be seen as a real alternative to Newcastle Airport.
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Any of the DTV management on it?