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Old 13th Aug 2016, 15:19
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Nice one regarding LEEDSAPPROACH he just slagged me off on the Easyjet thread, he certainly has issues and perhaps your right concerning his meds!
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 17:08
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"With every new set of declining figures to LHR I begin to see less cause for so many flights"

I know the figures to LHR are not available at present due to the long running issues at the CAA, however I think there has been little decline in numbers. In fact I believe there has even been increases over the years.

The decline at NCL is domestics in general ie LGW, STN, BRS etc. Not so much LHR where the LF is still high. It remains the airports busiest route.

One of the main benefits of the LHR service is its frequency. Also it's convenience.

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Old 13th Aug 2016, 17:34
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I suppose if it was obvious, like Ryanair ditched EDI for GLA and MAN for LBA... Then it should be deemed lawful for the government and airport authorities to block that from happening.
Really - how?

But I'd like to think that they would use IAG for it's intended purpose...
And what is the intended purpose of IAG?


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Old 13th Aug 2016, 18:27
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LAX_LHR, I understand your point there, although that already happens to an extent... Liverpool (as far as I understand it) did and still sometimes does act as a low cost alternative to Manchester, for example. And I'm sure the same could be said for Leeds
That's a different scenario. It was because back then, Low cost airlines used Liverpool as opposed to Manchester, that was an airline decision to operate as a 'low cost airline', not a government mandate like APD would be. Back then, it's like Manchester was Sainsburys and Liverpool was Aldi, and then the government stepping in and saying they will knock £5 of your bill if you choose to shop at Aldi. It's the airport/airline to try and offer the cheaper alternative, not the government.

Regards to Heathrow, how is it that APD works, I thought that, for example, if you flew NCL-LHR-NYC you would pay full rate?
That particular route would still pay full APD as its an ex-UK route, however, AMS-LHR-NYC or BOM-LHR-NYC wouldn't pay full APD, and those sorts of transfers are a large proportion of traffic into Heathrow. Similarly, passengers on the new SIN-MAN-IAH travelling SIN-IAH do not pay the UK APD.
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 09:10
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So which is the cheaper route to JFK from NCL, regarding APD, via AMS or LHR?
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 09:17
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https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nected-flights

See section 4 - APD is the same via both if booked as a through flight.

AMS would be cheaper (with regard to APD) if you bought a ticket to AMS, and then booked a ticket AMS-JFK
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 09:33
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AMS would be cheaper (with regard to APD) if you bought a ticket to AMS, and then booked a ticket AMS-JFK
Only if you waited over the 24 hour transfer time - FULL ADP rates would still be due on you fares otherwise.

Yes its difficult to collect but is still tax invasion !
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 09:49
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AMS would be cheaper (with regard to APD) if you bought a ticket to AMS, and then booked a ticket AMS-JFK
Only if you waited over the 24 hour transfer time - FULL ADP rates would still be due on you fares otherwise.

Yes its difficult to collect but is still tax invasion !
I hadn't realised that; so if you book NCL-AMS on one coupon, then a separate coupon to fly the same day AMS-JFK you are subject to long-haul APD?

Is the way around this to book the AMS-JFK leg using an offshore ISP, so a foreign IP address? Not planning to do so, but just curious. If so, then the cost of a pay-as-you-go non UK SIM could pay dividends.
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 09:57
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It's the airline which collects the APD, and you would still be giving them the same details so can't see the ISP would make any difference - suppose it's down to the airlines processes.
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 07:41
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NCL coming out quite well.

Most delayed flights from UK airports revealed - BBC News
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 08:10
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No thanks to the airport mind.
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 08:22
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In my personal opinion, there should be fairer, differentiated bands of APD...
- Central London/Major airports in affluent areas: LCY, LHR and maybe LGW should pay full APD (£13/26 - £76/146)
- Outer london and +20 million ppa airports like LTN, STN, MAN should pay 75% current APD (£9.75/£19.50 - £57/£109.50)
- +10 million ppa airports should have APD devolved 50%: EDI and after this year BHX (£6.50/13 - £38/73)
- +5 million devolved to 25% current rate: GLA, BRS, hopefully soon NCL, LPL, BFS etc. (£3.25/£6.50 - £19/36.50)
- Airports of less than 5 million ppa should have APD fully devolved OR pay a standard flat rate of say... £5 per passenger in all classes of travel over all distances, perhaps 50% delivered back to the airport as a development fee
- Another potential band for consideration could be full devolution for airports with less than 1mppa, and/or full devolution on all non London domestic flights
I'm not sure it needs to be as complicated as this - simply charging full APD for London airports, and discounts for the regions would be enough. The London market can take it, but the regions are a lot more price sensitive. Providing discount to the regions will also help reduce the pressure on LHR by encouraging more direct flights to the region.
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 15:03
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Exactly, plus the London market is just as big as, if not bigger than the rest of the UK market, so the government still get a hefty bit of money from it
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 14:47
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Bag wrapping service

Flew out of NCL a couple of weeks ago, surprised to find a new bag wrapping service! Airport website says it's only £5 a bag


Very handy especially for Emirates passengers who may be travelling ahead from Dubai.


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Old 16th Aug 2016, 15:40
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Touch wood I've only had my bags "got at" twice - once was internal in Malaysia and the other internal via TheifRow..............
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 19:38
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I've never understood the cling film thing. Still, well done NCL - you could have managed to fit in yet another pub/bar/alcohol shop, but you didn't.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 08:21
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Why are flights 'non operational'. Is that what we used to call 'cancelled'? Or is it planned cancellations such as summer holiday reductions?
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 13:04
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Birmingham flights are non operational as they are not operated anymore, the route has been dropped.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 13:09
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The Aberdeen flight was saying the same thing too.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 14:09
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They may have been cancelled due to low passenger numbers or a crew related issue. No point operating a flight if you only have none or just 2 or 3 passengers.
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