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"I'm trying to book a day return to Southampton on Flybe but it's working out at over £300, that's ridiculous."
How much do you (or your company) charge for your time?
If you drove your company would allow 45p a mile approx - 333 miles each way = £299.70................
How much do you (or your company) charge for your time?
If you drove your company would allow 45p a mile approx - 333 miles each way = £299.70................
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Belfast International growth has displaced Newcastle from the top 10 in terms of passenger numbers.
Belfast International Airport back in UK's top 10 - The Irish News
Liverpool Airport has significant growth also, showing at +15% on last year due to new routes being launched
Half-year passenger numbers soar at Liverpool John Lennon Airport - Liverpool Echo
Belfast International Airport back in UK's top 10 - The Irish News
Liverpool Airport has significant growth also, showing at +15% on last year due to new routes being launched
Half-year passenger numbers soar at Liverpool John Lennon Airport - Liverpool Echo
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Not sure if Ryanair expansion is the longterm sustainable answer to getting passenger volumes back to 2006/7 levels.
Back then we even had a "Winter" schedule of :
Daily 737/320 flights to Stavanger, Oslo & Bergen (formerly operated by Braathens SAFE)
TOM & TCX Weekly flights to Orlando (Double present)
More flights to Greek & Spanish resorts
Twice weekly to Toronto
4 flights per day to Brussels
Widebody DC10/767 to TFS and Palma (Summer)
TCX to Goa, India
And all this was without Emirates & United, yet total passenger volumes exceeded 5,650,000 more than 1million more than today (10 years later!) Other comparable airports seem to have more than recovered from 2007 passenger volumes.
Surely we have more disposable income than most other areas of the UK.
Yet, .... If a price comparison is made on a number of departure points NCL is often considerably higher (Often by as much as £1,000 per family of Four)
Maybe this is the main reason we are not growing at a similar rate to our nearest comparable airports.
I have close friends/relatives flying out of Manchester to Orlando, London to Canada; and Edinburgh to Turkey and Greece saving Thousands of pounds per family bookings.
This may indicate deficiency of Supply v Demand i.e. Increase number of flights and services to attract further demand - Profits to equal comparable airports. - Conclusion: We are currently under served from NCL. and should have passenger volumes in excess of 7.5m per year in line with National increases in growth
Back then we even had a "Winter" schedule of :
Daily 737/320 flights to Stavanger, Oslo & Bergen (formerly operated by Braathens SAFE)
TOM & TCX Weekly flights to Orlando (Double present)
More flights to Greek & Spanish resorts
Twice weekly to Toronto
4 flights per day to Brussels
Widebody DC10/767 to TFS and Palma (Summer)
TCX to Goa, India
And all this was without Emirates & United, yet total passenger volumes exceeded 5,650,000 more than 1million more than today (10 years later!) Other comparable airports seem to have more than recovered from 2007 passenger volumes.
Surely we have more disposable income than most other areas of the UK.
Yet, .... If a price comparison is made on a number of departure points NCL is often considerably higher (Often by as much as £1,000 per family of Four)
Maybe this is the main reason we are not growing at a similar rate to our nearest comparable airports.
I have close friends/relatives flying out of Manchester to Orlando, London to Canada; and Edinburgh to Turkey and Greece saving Thousands of pounds per family bookings.
This may indicate deficiency of Supply v Demand i.e. Increase number of flights and services to attract further demand - Profits to equal comparable airports. - Conclusion: We are currently under served from NCL. and should have passenger volumes in excess of 7.5m per year in line with National increases in growth
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Surely we have more disposable income than most other areas of the UK.
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NCL was well due right sizing in the run up to the economic crisis. As with everything back then, things were inflated and unsustainable.
Several airlines were on shakey ground and there was overkill on some routes. Globespan, Monarch long haul are no more. The quadruple STN flights are no more. BRS has been right sized. Long haul limited but appropriate to the market.
Now the airport seems to be in growth mode. However when the Scottish ruin things with their England subsidised APD reductions we could see further reductions so I am not sure the spending is warranted.
High prices are a good thing. I must admit the premium that airlines can charge for NCL flights gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
The current setup is sustainable. However if I was guy being paid millions to run the airport I'd be scaling back on any expansion ideas. The airport was fine before and did not need the refurbishments. The lounge often has a 'sorry we are at capacity'. Again that is a good thing as it makes money.
The car park is extremely busy even wth the new section opened. In fact cars are parked bumper to bumper on the rig road around the main car park section. The staff car park is being used by tourists. Staff are being forced to park on grass verges. Staff cars are being damaged whilst parked. This has never happened before. Again I see this as quite a good thing in terms of £.
NCL has a good selection of sustainable routes served directly along with (too many) hub connections should anyone feel the current route offering doesn't meet their needs.
A certain operator may improve the numbers, but so would a Wonga loan improve my bank balance. We all know that that is not sustainable.
Slow, steady growth, making money, employing locals directly and in the supply chain, supporting local businesses, putting us on the global map and having sustainable services is what we need and what we have.
Inflating numbers just to boost our position on a league table is wrong. For a deprived area devoid of Barnett's Billions and with the North Sea as half of out catchment area I think we do very well indeed.
Several airlines were on shakey ground and there was overkill on some routes. Globespan, Monarch long haul are no more. The quadruple STN flights are no more. BRS has been right sized. Long haul limited but appropriate to the market.
Now the airport seems to be in growth mode. However when the Scottish ruin things with their England subsidised APD reductions we could see further reductions so I am not sure the spending is warranted.
High prices are a good thing. I must admit the premium that airlines can charge for NCL flights gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
The current setup is sustainable. However if I was guy being paid millions to run the airport I'd be scaling back on any expansion ideas. The airport was fine before and did not need the refurbishments. The lounge often has a 'sorry we are at capacity'. Again that is a good thing as it makes money.
The car park is extremely busy even wth the new section opened. In fact cars are parked bumper to bumper on the rig road around the main car park section. The staff car park is being used by tourists. Staff are being forced to park on grass verges. Staff cars are being damaged whilst parked. This has never happened before. Again I see this as quite a good thing in terms of £.
NCL has a good selection of sustainable routes served directly along with (too many) hub connections should anyone feel the current route offering doesn't meet their needs.
A certain operator may improve the numbers, but so would a Wonga loan improve my bank balance. We all know that that is not sustainable.
Slow, steady growth, making money, employing locals directly and in the supply chain, supporting local businesses, putting us on the global map and having sustainable services is what we need and what we have.
Inflating numbers just to boost our position on a league table is wrong. For a deprived area devoid of Barnett's Billions and with the North Sea as half of out catchment area I think we do very well indeed.
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Will be flying into NCL for the first time next month, will be interesting to see what its like.
What struck me is how far away alternate airports are compared to other regions of the UK. Probably a primary reason in why fares are such a high premium.
What struck me is how far away alternate airports are compared to other regions of the UK. Probably a primary reason in why fares are such a high premium.
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Agree with HeartyMeatballs here. Very busy in the car park, very good too see them making money from the new car park extension too. Besides, think of the extra cash they'll make when the staff get their fines through the post! Interesting word from the office that there aren't any pax parked in staff car park taking up the spaces.....except there are! Loads of them, witnessed it every day last week.
KL using Fokkers last week and just seen this afternoons service was on one too.
KL using Fokkers last week and just seen this afternoons service was on one too.
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Is it because of the Scottish school Holidays at moment. More seats for them just now.
Returns to normal in a few weeks time.
Flew in and out of NCL a couple of times recently. Busiest I have seen it for years.
Security superb, extremely quick and pleasant despite the high number of pax. Good selection of shops and food places in pleasant departure area.
Arrivals again very quick both border control and baggage. Only negative observation was its a bit shabby/gloomy from getting off the aircraft to reaching the baggage hall.
Is it because of the Scottish school Holidays at moment. More seats for them just now.
Returns to normal in a few weeks time.
Flew in and out of NCL a couple of times recently. Busiest I have seen it for years.
Security superb, extremely quick and pleasant despite the high number of pax. Good selection of shops and food places in pleasant departure area.
Arrivals again very quick both border control and baggage. Only negative observation was its a bit shabby/gloomy from getting off the aircraft to reaching the baggage hall.
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Slow, steady growth, making money, employing locals directly and in the supply chain, supporting local businesses, putting us on the global map and having sustainable services is what we need and what we have.
Inflating numbers just to boost our position on a league table is wrong. For a deprived area devoid of Barnett's Billions and with the North Sea as half of out catchment area I think we do very well indeed.
Inflating numbers just to boost our position on a league table is wrong. For a deprived area devoid of Barnett's Billions and with the North Sea as half of out catchment area I think we do very well indeed.
Surely we have more disposable income than most other areas of the UK.
Regional gross disposable household income (GDHI) - Office for National Statistics
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There is a barrier requiring a pass to get through however they're letting anybody in who presses the button. Identified by seeing pax get out of their cars with suitcases, 4 lots this morning, 3 yesterday. More of an issue PM admittedly than mornings but still, I'm told its c.£360/year to use staff parking so would expect it to be available.
Hopefully TOM will have some growth out of NCL with a little diversity
Hopefully TOM will have some growth out of NCL with a little diversity
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Airport Passenger numbers.
I have not been able understand some of the passenger figures recently. If you look at the arrivals and departure board the airport seems much more busy than it was in the last couple of years. Despite this passenger figures are supposedly falling or increasing by a very small amount.
I realise the CAA stats are very unreliable and would suggest that some of the Newcastle figures shown are simply very wrong.
Tonight I have looked at the airports own figures for June 2016 and they seem to be wrong also.
For example the domestic figures show just 9691 for June 2016 compared to 102414 for 2015. Thats a drop of nearly 93000 pax.
That cant be correct.
IT figures show a drop of about 5000 pax which is possible
Scheduled International is up by about 33000 pax which could be likely and is possibly correct.
In total a reduction of nearly 64000 is shown a drop of about 12%.
It seems that the domestic figures are the ones causing the issue.
Perhaps the real figure for domestic should be not 9691 but 96910 instead it would seem more realistic.
So if you add the difference which is 87219 to the total published you get a new overall total for June 2016 of 530521 an increase of about 10% over June 2015.
If thats correct its not a bad increase.
Rather worrying that even the airports own published figures seem unreliable.
I have not been able understand some of the passenger figures recently. If you look at the arrivals and departure board the airport seems much more busy than it was in the last couple of years. Despite this passenger figures are supposedly falling or increasing by a very small amount.
I realise the CAA stats are very unreliable and would suggest that some of the Newcastle figures shown are simply very wrong.
Tonight I have looked at the airports own figures for June 2016 and they seem to be wrong also.
For example the domestic figures show just 9691 for June 2016 compared to 102414 for 2015. Thats a drop of nearly 93000 pax.
That cant be correct.
IT figures show a drop of about 5000 pax which is possible
Scheduled International is up by about 33000 pax which could be likely and is possibly correct.
In total a reduction of nearly 64000 is shown a drop of about 12%.
It seems that the domestic figures are the ones causing the issue.
Perhaps the real figure for domestic should be not 9691 but 96910 instead it would seem more realistic.
So if you add the difference which is 87219 to the total published you get a new overall total for June 2016 of 530521 an increase of about 10% over June 2015.
If thats correct its not a bad increase.
Rather worrying that even the airports own published figures seem unreliable.
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Thank god I'm days off then. Last Friday the carpark was bad. Today it will be carnage! The new security set up seems to cope well on the busy days. Its a lot better than it was.