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Old 19th Aug 2017, 18:12
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I'm certain that nobody here, if the bean counter for a charter airline, would seriously let there be spare capacity on a Saturday in August. Accountants might seem like mild-mannered people, but I'm sure they'd have something colourful to say about the very suggestion!!!

I'm sure they've planned in spare capacity during the week, that can pick up the effects of any particularly awful messes that might have happened at the weekend.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 21:54
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VEN on its way back from BOJ now so normal service should be resumed tomorrow along with today's cancelled FUE
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 21:58
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I've seen mentioned elsewhere they also had a 757 sat in Egypt too so trying to solve 2 jobs in one go at the peakiest of peak times.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 22:09
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Thomas Cook is a low cost scheduled airline, no longer a charter airline. VEN will be subject to further checks by MT/TCX based engineers at NCL once back from BOJ - before doing the FUE. PAX would've been provided overnight accommodation (providing they can prove they have no other means of accommodation here at NCL or in FUE).
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 22:25
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Thomas Cook Airlines is still very much a charter airline predominantly flying passengers affiliated with Thomas Cook Holidays and is no way a full low cost airline in the same way as EasyJet or Ryanair 'giving two examples' regardless of their recent expansion of scheduled long haul transatlantic flying from Manchester there still very much a holiday airline in a similar way to TUI (Thomson) offering a full package holiday like a lot of tour companies did in the past. Thomas Cook Holidays and TUI(Thomson) are the only true remaining package holiday companies left in the United Kingdom.

In comparison Jet2 holidays are based around their low cost airline Jet2 where as Thomas Cook Airways have always been based around Thomas Cook Holidays even if they do hire third party airlines, this format hasn't changed regardless of scheduled long haul flying.

What came first the airline or the holiday company? :-)
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 03:33
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To have such a large fleet and not one aircraft on "standby"
Is setting yourself up for EU261 compensation however it is due to this mentality that airlines will delay 1 flight by 24 hours rather than delay 4 or 5 flights by 4,5 and 6 hours to recover the program.

In comparison Jet2 try to always have a minimum of 4 to 5 aircraft on standby fully crewed ready to launch at most times of the day, they even have one strategically placed in ALC most of the year to bring delays under the 3 hours, the others are in LBA and MAN their two biggest bases however I don't see why there couldn't be a 321 on standby on MAN or even have it where it does no flight during the day but does an overnight flight that way it will give some slack in the program to recover.
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 06:32
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4-5 aircraft on standby, fully crewed and ready to go!! Pass me an iron, I'm creased!!
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 08:32
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all sitting outside in big sheepskin jackets in broken down armchairs, smoking pipes underneath the Tannoy speaker I expect....................
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 17:58
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... you will find Thomas Cook is a scheduled airline and no longer a charter airline. Regardless if they have a holiday company or not. Albeit not a low cost airline but they do have low cost format such as BoB, pay for baggage etc. As well as cheap ticket prices.

The company I work for acknowledges that scheduled airlines use 2 letter airline codes in public areas and documents and 3 letter airline codes for charters (exception of EasyJet). So for example, MT, FR, BA, LS and KL are used for their respective airlines which refer to them as scheduled. Then you have TOM, AEA and FHY which are charter airlines. There are no other charter airlines at NCL except Thomson, Air Europa and Freebird.
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 18:02
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Originally Posted by NorthEasterner
... you will find Thomas Cook is a scheduled airline and no longer a charter airline. Regardless if they have a holiday company or not. Albeit not a low cost airline but they do have low cost format such as BoB, pay for baggage etc. As well as cheap ticket prices.

The company I work for acknowledges that scheduled airlines use 2 letter airline codes in public areas and documents and 3 letter airline codes for charters (exception of EasyJet). So for example, MT, FR, BA, LS and KL are used for their respective airlines which refer to them as scheduled. Then you have TOM, AEA and FHY which are charter airlines. There are no other charter airlines at NCL except Thomson, Air Europa and Freebird.
What about TCX?
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Old 20th Aug 2017, 19:39
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The Thomas Cook Airlines flying program is geared totally towards their parent company Thomas Cook Holidays in the same way as TUI and Thomson Holidays and are both charter airlines, Thomas Cook Holidays arrange the accommodation and their in house airline Thomas Cook Airlines provides the flights (even if it's third party flying). This is classic inclusive tours as the full holiday package with accommodation and charter flights.

Several scheduled airlines including EasyJet and Ryanair provide accommodation but it's generally booked separately via a hotel booking engine and not an inclusive tour package as you would get with Thomas Cook Holidays.

The way that Thomas Cook Airlines works is to take passengers booked on package Holidays to their destinations which may vary every year.

Although Thomas Cook Airlines have opened up a base at Manchester serving transatlantic destinations these may be scheduled in a similar way to Condor operation in Germany but at the end of the day beside the fact that they fly to the likes of Boston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, etc from Manchester on a scheduled basis they are still very much a charter airline.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 11:43
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Does the AF Embraer 190 allow wheeled hand luggage or does it get taken off you at the steps?
Ta.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 13:19
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Originally Posted by ash666
Does the AF Embraer 190 allow wheeled hand luggage or does it get taken off you at the steps?
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No, I believe it can be taken onboard, the whole delivery at aircraft baggage thing should stop when the Cityjet RJs do.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 13:22
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Thanks.

Not sure if I will be using AF or not for a long haul flight but, much to my surprise, they are a fair bit cheaper than KLM for the dates I want.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 13:56
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I'm talking about customer facing - TCX is no longer used on FIDS, customer paperwork or operations paperwork and is always MT. NCL recognises that Thomas Cook Airlines is a scheduled airline. But I agree, many pax are usually Thomas Cook holiday customers, similar to Jet2/LS.

Regarding cabin baggage on E190's - yes it will be permitted on board due to larger overhead lockers - the same as KL's E170/90's.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 20:28
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Anyone know if the late morning AF1059 is usually reliable with timings?

It's years since I transited via CDG and there have ben a lot of changes since then.
It lands at terminal 2E and I had to get a little train to the departure but I'm wondering now if 2hrs 15mins is safely enough.

7hrs is too long at the airport and KLM a lot more expensive.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 20:35
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I think your really confused when it comes to the status of TCX Thomas Cook Airlines! Newcastle may or may not recognise it as a scheduled airline but I can assure you that other than the transatlantic operation out of Manchester it is very much a charter airline, you can't even book any of their charter flights through a GDS other than seat only on the Thomas Cook Holidays website. Jet2 is completely different the majority of people use their website to book seats on their scheduled flights as is the case with EasyJet and Ryanair the holiday part of it is just an additional source of revenue for those airlines and a very profitable one but in the case of Jet2 they very much promote the Jet2Holidays part of their operation based around their scheduled flights where as Thomas Cook Holidays base their package holiday program around their charter flight operation the same way as TUI Thomson do.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 20:50
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I think your really confused when it comes to the status of TCX Thomas Cook Airlines! Newcastle may or may not recognise it as a scheduled airline but I can assure you that other than the transatlantic operation out of Manchester it is very much a charter airline, you can't even book any of their charter flights through a GDS other than seat only on the Thomas Cook Holidays website.
I have no issue booking any Thomas Cook flights through 3rd party websites, Google flights, they appear in GDS and so on.....
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 20:58
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You are correct regarding google flights although personally I never use that engine so I wasn't aware that Thomas Cook Airlines 'charter' flights were available to book that way, regardless of that my point still remains regarding it's status.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 21:29
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Originally Posted by ash666
Anyone know if the late morning AF1059 is usually reliable with timings?

It's years since I transited via CDG and there have ben a lot of changes since then.
It lands at terminal 2E and I had to get a little train to the departure but I'm wondering now if 2hrs 15mins is safely enough.

7hrs is too long at the airport and KLM a lot more expensive.
Usually, but I'm not sure what the dispatch reliability of Hop! is like, there hasn't been enough in to get a good picture. Also it may say 2E but most of the AF regional stuff parks at 2G which is a good 10 minute bus ride from disembarking to dropping off at arrivals at the best of times.
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