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Don't know if its a tech issue or because TCX has shifted planes around but again TCX to Reus delayed by 4 hours this morning. Maybe a bit longer if the last few weeks are anything to go by..
EDIT: Apparently a tech issue again with YL-LCL. Back in the air now but knock on effect all day now.
EDIT: Apparently a tech issue again with YL-LCL. Back in the air now but knock on effect all day now.
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Jet2 will continue to expand at NCL in the coming years but don't expect it to be like in the past with an extra aircraft a year!!
There is still a few routes that jet2 will add an try.
Other bases will be growing faster than ncl are the likes of gla and ema but these are new bases and until they reach the size of ncl and Leeds and even Manchester things will look like ncl isn't getting anything but it is
The base needs to grow steady over the coming years and jet2 will be fine
There is still a few routes that jet2 will add an try.
Other bases will be growing faster than ncl are the likes of gla and ema but these are new bases and until they reach the size of ncl and Leeds and even Manchester things will look like ncl isn't getting anything but it is
The base needs to grow steady over the coming years and jet2 will be fine
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If you look back over the last month or so there have been as more 757s going tech here than YL-LCL . G-FCLK/JMCG/TBCB/C have all caused massive delays if I remember correctly LK went tech in SSH causing something like a 30+ hour delay then a week later diverted to MAN 30 mins into a flight.
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Nothing on Gatwick but I understand that Norwich Airport has listed NCL as one of the three new routes it is targeting in it's expansion programme.
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LCL has went tech about 7 times, probably more, in the last 2 months. All of the aircraft you mentioned above (FCLK, FCLA etc.) have went tech on one occasion. That's not necessarily unusual.
Big delays include 14 hours from MAH & stranding passengers in Bourgas for almost 24 hours. Also, looking back on this thread there was a 23 hour delay outbound to PFO which eventually had to be covered by another aircraft...
That's not including DLM twice in May.
They're constantly having to get a 752 to in or ES-SAL into cover the rotations. JMCG flew in yesterday evening to do ZTH.
Big delays include 14 hours from MAH & stranding passengers in Bourgas for almost 24 hours. Also, looking back on this thread there was a 23 hour delay outbound to PFO which eventually had to be covered by another aircraft...
That's not including DLM twice in May.
They're constantly having to get a 752 to in or ES-SAL into cover the rotations. JMCG flew in yesterday evening to do ZTH.
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You have to remember though that TCX constantly rotate the 757s throughout the whole country so while certain reg's have maybe gone tech "once" in NCL, that doesn't mean they haven't gone tech somewhere else in the meantime.
YL-LCL on the other hand is based only at NCL so it may seem that it is tech more than any other aircraft in the TCX fleet as you are monitoring NCLs departures.
Plus the reason that the 757 is stepping in to do flights when it is tech is because TCX have a 757 with a very limited flying programme which is there to pick up the programme throughout the country when things go wrong.
YL-LCL on the other hand is based only at NCL so it may seem that it is tech more than any other aircraft in the TCX fleet as you are monitoring NCLs departures.
Plus the reason that the 757 is stepping in to do flights when it is tech is because TCX have a 757 with a very limited flying programme which is there to pick up the programme throughout the country when things go wrong.
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I don't disagree with you on that point. I know TCX rotate there 752s as does LS and TOM.
Perhaps it's easier to compare it with other fleets based A320s. You have the EZY A320 and G-POWI, who is leased from Titan, who is constantly based at NCL for the Spanish routes for Jet2. These aircrafts rarely have issues in comparison with LCL.
My thinking is that if LCL is having significantly more problems than any other based aircraft at NCL, whether it be A320s or 752s, this much surely show that this aircraft is having more frequent difficulties than most of the other TCX fleet and other airlines fleets. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that around 1 tech difficulty per week, sometimes more, is poor customer service and frankly unacceptable.
This aircraft should not be in service if its gonna cause serious problems for pax and many financial implications for TCX - it cannot be cheap sending a relief aircraft every week to subsidise for the loss of LCL.
Perhaps I'm wrong and LS & TOM have more relief aircraft and therefore are able to provide relief quicker to avoid huge delays. But if that's correct I expect someone to point that out!
This is my opinion and, don't worry, I don't expect too many people to agree - most people probably think that post is a load of S**T.
Perhaps it's easier to compare it with other fleets based A320s. You have the EZY A320 and G-POWI, who is leased from Titan, who is constantly based at NCL for the Spanish routes for Jet2. These aircrafts rarely have issues in comparison with LCL.
My thinking is that if LCL is having significantly more problems than any other based aircraft at NCL, whether it be A320s or 752s, this much surely show that this aircraft is having more frequent difficulties than most of the other TCX fleet and other airlines fleets. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that around 1 tech difficulty per week, sometimes more, is poor customer service and frankly unacceptable.
This aircraft should not be in service if its gonna cause serious problems for pax and many financial implications for TCX - it cannot be cheap sending a relief aircraft every week to subsidise for the loss of LCL.
Perhaps I'm wrong and LS & TOM have more relief aircraft and therefore are able to provide relief quicker to avoid huge delays. But if that's correct I expect someone to point that out!
This is my opinion and, don't worry, I don't expect too many people to agree - most people probably think that post is a load of S**T.
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The only way I could possibly defend the smartlynx aircraft in that respect is to say that maybe TCX are utilising that aircraft more than JET2 and EZY utilise theirs. Looking at the programme for that particular aircraft its programme is jam packed from Friday through to Monday. So if anything goes wrong during that time its going to have a major knock on effect.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure Easyjet and Jet2 don't operate proper night flights, ie, departing at say 9/10/11/ in the evening, which gives them more ground time to get any issues corrected before its morning departure.
If thats the case then it should definitely be something that TCX need to look into further for the future. As not only will it be costing the company a fortune in bringing in extra aicraft, theres also the issue of this EU regulation regarding the delay compensation.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure Easyjet and Jet2 don't operate proper night flights, ie, departing at say 9/10/11/ in the evening, which gives them more ground time to get any issues corrected before its morning departure.
If thats the case then it should definitely be something that TCX need to look into further for the future. As not only will it be costing the company a fortune in bringing in extra aicraft, theres also the issue of this EU regulation regarding the delay compensation.
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You are correct that it has 2 evening flights and 3 late arrivals into NCL in the early hours of the morning. It's a more tougher schedule in comparison with LS and EZY as you've stated.
I also agree that there may be more time to deal with unforeseen problems. However, I'm not necessarily questioning the length of delays, I'm questioning the amount of them for this aircraft in particular.
I just can't have the argument that the schedule is taken such a toll on the aircraft that it has a tech delay every week. I don't know TCX's maintenance programme and nor do I know any of other stated airlines maintenance programme never mind there maintenance schedule at NCL. I just simply cannot believe that because its got a busier schedule that its causing the aircraft so much trouble - it must be either poorly maintained or it needs to be taken out of service for a substantial inspection - something I imagine TCX & Smartlynx don't wanna do.
Again, someone may correct me if I'm wrong which I may well be. I just think TCX next summer need to consider, carefully, what A320 they base over at NCL. If I was them I wouldn't set foot near a lease agreement or contract for LCL. It must be costing them a small fortune. It would definitely be interesting to know who pays for these delays - Smart Lynx or TCX? As you've mentioned it's not just the movement of other aircraft to NCL, it's the EU thing.
Apologies for boring you, it just bugs me! And I'm sure it really annoys them passengers!
I also agree that there may be more time to deal with unforeseen problems. However, I'm not necessarily questioning the length of delays, I'm questioning the amount of them for this aircraft in particular.
I just can't have the argument that the schedule is taken such a toll on the aircraft that it has a tech delay every week. I don't know TCX's maintenance programme and nor do I know any of other stated airlines maintenance programme never mind there maintenance schedule at NCL. I just simply cannot believe that because its got a busier schedule that its causing the aircraft so much trouble - it must be either poorly maintained or it needs to be taken out of service for a substantial inspection - something I imagine TCX & Smartlynx don't wanna do.
Again, someone may correct me if I'm wrong which I may well be. I just think TCX next summer need to consider, carefully, what A320 they base over at NCL. If I was them I wouldn't set foot near a lease agreement or contract for LCL. It must be costing them a small fortune. It would definitely be interesting to know who pays for these delays - Smart Lynx or TCX? As you've mentioned it's not just the movement of other aircraft to NCL, it's the EU thing.
Apologies for boring you, it just bugs me! And I'm sure it really annoys them passengers!
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It would definitely be interesting to know who pays for these delays - Smart Lynx or TCX?
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Well the many times I have been up to the airport this summer TCX maintenance have always appeared to be working on LCL from arriving until leaving, seems like there are a few problems with this aircraft
LCL has went tech about 7 times, probably more, in the last 2 months.
Well the many times I have been up to the airport this summer TCX maintenance have always appeared to be working on LCL from arriving until leaving, seems like there are a few problems with this aircraft
One fact for you, TCX used SmartLynx last year and are doing so again this year.
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Well I think it's clearly obvious they're using smart lynx this year as LCL is a Smartlynx wet lease!
I really cannot be fussed to dig up the correct dates but from the top of my head and looking back at posts on this thread it seems there's been at least 7 delays.
15th June - Delayed 07:20 IBZ flight by 5 hours. Eventually a relief 752 flew into cover. I know this date because this the date I went on holiday!
MAH - Delayed by around 10 hours in July iirc due to some technical issues.
Reus - This was another 5/6 hour delay. Relief aircraft brought in for the overnight Zakynthos flight. This was this week.
PFO - This was a 23 hour delay. 30th July.
Larnaca - 6 hour delay. In the end YL-LCH came to cover.
Bourgas - Again, struck its wand and stranded passengers in July.
There is a couple of other incidents going back in the thread too. Add these to the couple of tech issues, for DLM, in May I think it's safe to come to the conclusion this aircraft is a heap of rubbish.
I really cannot be fussed to dig up the correct dates but from the top of my head and looking back at posts on this thread it seems there's been at least 7 delays.
15th June - Delayed 07:20 IBZ flight by 5 hours. Eventually a relief 752 flew into cover. I know this date because this the date I went on holiday!
MAH - Delayed by around 10 hours in July iirc due to some technical issues.
Reus - This was another 5/6 hour delay. Relief aircraft brought in for the overnight Zakynthos flight. This was this week.
PFO - This was a 23 hour delay. 30th July.
Larnaca - 6 hour delay. In the end YL-LCH came to cover.
Bourgas - Again, struck its wand and stranded passengers in July.
There is a couple of other incidents going back in the thread too. Add these to the couple of tech issues, for DLM, in May I think it's safe to come to the conclusion this aircraft is a heap of rubbish.
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Was wondering if anyone knows if LS encountered many problems with there A320 that they leased from Titan?.
BM are planning to announce new more new routes over the next few months. I remember a friend who work at BM saying that they had begun looking into how viable it would be for them to take over some of the BE LGW routes. Personally I think that BM's 49 seater ER4's would be the perfect size aircraft for the route.
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Any news about a carrier that could take on the LGW route?.
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One of the main reasons Flybe are exiting Gatwick is because of the high fees for smaller regional aircraft. The aircraft in their fleet range from 78 to 118 seats. Therefore I am not sure how BM 49 seat aircraft could be viable flying into Gatwick.
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