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Err? I doubt it.
Section 17 - Track access decisions
It's a result for Newcastle because:
1. On every route where MAN competes with NCL (virtually all of them!), the journey to MAN is now longer, more difficult. Huddersfield train station might be a lovely place - I've never been - but do I want to lug my cases off there and stand around waiting for another train that might not turn up, etc, etc
2. Thousands of commuters and other train users in the North East aren't being constantly reminded on a daily basis about how easy it is to get to MAN.
1. On every route where MAN competes with NCL (virtually all of them!), the journey to MAN is now longer, more difficult. Huddersfield train station might be a lovely place - I've never been - but do I want to lug my cases off there and stand around waiting for another train that might not turn up, etc, etc
2. Thousands of commuters and other train users in the North East aren't being constantly reminded on a daily basis about how easy it is to get to MAN.
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Announced in this mornings journal that BMI are to start double daily flights to Brussels from March 2014.
Cant see this online but its in the paper version I am reading on the train to London where I will be catching the Eurostar to Brussels. So its good news for me
Journal says this will be announced officially later today.
Cant see this online but its in the paper version I am reading on the train to London where I will be catching the Eurostar to Brussels. So its good news for me
Journal says this will be announced officially later today.
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If the 'Director of Rail' at Nexus thinks it's a good idea to change at Huddersfield en route to Manchester Airport I suggest he tries it for himself. The trains are always packed between Leeds and Manchester and the last thing I would want to do is to drag luggage off one crowded train on to another. It's also a step backwards having the trains going to Victoria rather than Piccadilly. But even with the poorer rail service I doubt flights between Newcastle and Manchester would be realistic. Good news on the Brussels service.
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BMI to Brussels is very good news, commencing 3rd March at twice daily. I can't find the timings yet so don't know if its a NCL based aircraft, which might open up the possibilities of another route in the middle of the day.
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It isn't as if there has never been a service to MAN, Dan Air operated it twice daily ? in the late 70's with a 748. Appreciate that times have changed, however there are now many more routes offered if one connected through MAN, as opposed to 30 years ago, not to mention additional IT flights.
One should accept that NCL will NEVER get a regular US direct service & accept that along with LHR/AMS/CDG & now DUB that it is inevitable that MAN should be added to this list.
It would never be my scene to lump bags onto a train(s) sit for c.3 hours only to lug them off again to stand in another checkin line / security etc. That alone should deter some, then IF as I read there is also the additional hassle / stress of a further change of trains, then there has to be a price that some will pay to avoid all of this.
Furthermore a good number of the people I have spoken to who use MAN end up spending an overnight in a local hotel prior /after to departing /returning from their flight.
If Eastern can make a go of BHX , accepted it's a business based flight, then MAN has to offer some attraction.
My view still remains that the reason that MAN - NCL does not operate is because there is a core of persons at NCL who DON'T want the service! & see it as undermining development at NCL !
All I can say to these guys is that over the past few years it wouldn't appear that this policy has been beneficial to those who reside in the North East.
One should accept that NCL will NEVER get a regular US direct service & accept that along with LHR/AMS/CDG & now DUB that it is inevitable that MAN should be added to this list.
It would never be my scene to lump bags onto a train(s) sit for c.3 hours only to lug them off again to stand in another checkin line / security etc. That alone should deter some, then IF as I read there is also the additional hassle / stress of a further change of trains, then there has to be a price that some will pay to avoid all of this.
Furthermore a good number of the people I have spoken to who use MAN end up spending an overnight in a local hotel prior /after to departing /returning from their flight.
If Eastern can make a go of BHX , accepted it's a business based flight, then MAN has to offer some attraction.
My view still remains that the reason that MAN - NCL does not operate is because there is a core of persons at NCL who DON'T want the service! & see it as undermining development at NCL !
All I can say to these guys is that over the past few years it wouldn't appear that this policy has been beneficial to those who reside in the North East.
Skyman - I think you are being overly pessimistic on the prospect of a nonstop NCL-NYC
Granted it won't come in the next 12 months but over time, Newcastle airport will continue to grow and gain more routes. In 10 or 20 years time I could plausibly see some sort of route on something like a 787
Granted it won't come in the next 12 months but over time, Newcastle airport will continue to grow and gain more routes. In 10 or 20 years time I could plausibly see some sort of route on something like a 787
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Manchester's route network hardly compares to the hub airports that Newcastle has flights to, or some that it doesn't like Frankfurt. For example, to the west coast of USA there's only a few leisure flights to Las Vegas. Plus any service is unlikely to be early or late enough to avoid a hotel stay if you've got an early or late flight with a charter or lo-cost airline. There would also be the hassle of having to change terminals in many cases. I can't see it working.
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I guess some would adopt the view "Never say Never" & I accept that things change, for me "Never" is in my lifetime.
I have a long memory of the false optimism that has been generated in every one of the past four decades & as such I feel that I can be reasonably comfortable in the use of "Never" in this context.
On a slightly different tangent then NY offers a pretty decent holiday destination & I would be the last to dispute that there may come a time when 787's appear NYC bound on a regular basis in the colours of TOM or similar IT carrier.
I have a long memory of the false optimism that has been generated in every one of the past four decades & as such I feel that I can be reasonably comfortable in the use of "Never" in this context.
On a slightly different tangent then NY offers a pretty decent holiday destination & I would be the last to dispute that there may come a time when 787's appear NYC bound on a regular basis in the colours of TOM or similar IT carrier.
Gill were operating MAN into the Nineties with Sheds, think it ended with leased Bandits?
Also, where did the European JetStream operate to, was that MAN or BHX?
I'd put money on MAN re-starting before TOM to NYC (and knowing my luck, somebodies typing up the press release now!)
Also, where did the European JetStream operate to, was that MAN or BHX?
I'd put money on MAN re-starting before TOM to NYC (and knowing my luck, somebodies typing up the press release now!)
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I was just thinking before I came on, what are the chances of:
Someone like Jet2 restarting YYZ summer seasonal and Air Transat starting Vancouver/Calgary? Maybe a triangle like EXT was. Along the lines of YVR-MAN-NCL-YVR? or LGW/GLA.
I know this isn't the most affluent area of the country but I know some will be interested in this sort of higher end tourism. I'd like to see more within Europe and Africa too, like Santorini, Cape Verde etc. Maybe Gibraltar? Anna.aero seems to think there's demand for it. Especially if it were NCL-LBA-GIB-LBA-NCL.
Whoopsies, rambling again :/
Someone like Jet2 restarting YYZ summer seasonal and Air Transat starting Vancouver/Calgary? Maybe a triangle like EXT was. Along the lines of YVR-MAN-NCL-YVR? or LGW/GLA.
I know this isn't the most affluent area of the country but I know some will be interested in this sort of higher end tourism. I'd like to see more within Europe and Africa too, like Santorini, Cape Verde etc. Maybe Gibraltar? Anna.aero seems to think there's demand for it. Especially if it were NCL-LBA-GIB-LBA-NCL.
Whoopsies, rambling again :/
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The new Gatwick service starts 30th March. Mon - Fri & Sun twice daily, Sat no service.
The Sunday rotations are both Gatwick based a/c
Mon- Fri & Sun morning departure....0710 from Gatwick...0705 from NCL the evening departure is a Gatwick based a/c.
What happens to the 0840 Gatwick based a/c after its arrival at Ncl each morning. Could there be some new routes?
The Sunday rotations are both Gatwick based a/c
Mon- Fri & Sun morning departure....0710 from Gatwick...0705 from NCL the evening departure is a Gatwick based a/c.
What happens to the 0840 Gatwick based a/c after its arrival at Ncl each morning. Could there be some new routes?
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Finally, was worried it was never going to happen! Just need Jet2's instalment now.
That is very interesting and I hope that there are new routes, with 10.5 hours between the flights I certainly hope they can fit something in. I just have a very horrible feeling that it may "replace" a NCL based aircraft, operating effectively as a NCL based aircraft night stopping at LGW. We'll have to see what the next few weeks have in store. So are both flights NCL-LGW-NCL every day operated by LGW based aircraft?
Cheers,
Martin
That is very interesting and I hope that there are new routes, with 10.5 hours between the flights I certainly hope they can fit something in. I just have a very horrible feeling that it may "replace" a NCL based aircraft, operating effectively as a NCL based aircraft night stopping at LGW. We'll have to see what the next few weeks have in store. So are both flights NCL-LGW-NCL every day operated by LGW based aircraft?
Cheers,
Martin