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A380 and belly cargo, I believe one of the biggest mistakes Airbus did with the A380 was not having enough space for belly cargo! Its the bread and butter of airline's these days! Yes NCL receives a lot of cargo from LHR for EK, and as MAN changes to more A380 I guess cargo will come from there as well!
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If cargo is so good from NCL and will only increase with more A380s to other UK ports , Would Emirates not rather add a Skycargo flight or just add a 2nd Daily and include whatever passengers they can
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I would say it is for the route so it doesn't mean new airline or not so yes Easyjet and 4th based aircraft could help.
As long as they don't give it to Ryanair who after the 3 years will pull the routes.
Hopefully spend it wisely
As long as they don't give it to Ryanair who after the 3 years will pull the routes.
Hopefully spend it wisely
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I'm not confident we'll actually see any new routes come out of the funding, although I really hope we do.
And I think eventually when GLA/BHX/NCL get A380's (wishful thinking) they might put a 77F into EMA, already being a cargo hub etc. And the point has already been made, cargo doesn't care where it flies from.
And I think eventually when GLA/BHX/NCL get A380's (wishful thinking) they might put a 77F into EMA, already being a cargo hub etc. And the point has already been made, cargo doesn't care where it flies from.
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I'm sorry but that's ridiculous, these "fly by night foreign airlines" do actually create jobs at the airport, one more new airline probably creates more than 1 new based frame from a loco.
But we would be much better off with no:
Aer Lingus
Air France
Emirates
Germanwings
KLM
SAS
United
Wideroe
Definitely no need for Air Malta, Onur Air and Balkans Holidays flying for tour operators, or Ryanair offering cheap Irish getaways or Air Europa, and Pegasus offering Thomson etc. extra uplift. Not to mention that ridiculous Spanish outfit bringing in cargo every night.
Lest we not forget that TUI are a German multinational company, Thomas Cook were previously majority owned by the Germans and British Airways, our beloved national carrier are also a founding member of a British-Spanish multinational company, registered in Spain and creating jobs in Spain
I apologise again but I reiterate, that is a ridiculous statement! Times have changed!
But we would be much better off with no:
Aer Lingus
Air France
Emirates
Germanwings
KLM
SAS
United
Wideroe
Definitely no need for Air Malta, Onur Air and Balkans Holidays flying for tour operators, or Ryanair offering cheap Irish getaways or Air Europa, and Pegasus offering Thomson etc. extra uplift. Not to mention that ridiculous Spanish outfit bringing in cargo every night.
Lest we not forget that TUI are a German multinational company, Thomas Cook were previously majority owned by the Germans and British Airways, our beloved national carrier are also a founding member of a British-Spanish multinational company, registered in Spain and creating jobs in Spain
I apologise again but I reiterate, that is a ridiculous statement! Times have changed!
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Your at it again aren't you
Thomas Cook was and has NEVER been majority owned by British Airways, the Germans yes.
You can be very annoying you know that don't you!
Your at it again aren't you
Thomas Cook was and has NEVER been majority owned by British Airways, the Germans yes.
You can be very annoying you know that don't you!
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Canberra - I think he meant to insert what is called an 'Oxford Comma' before the 'and'. Read it and pause in different places and you'll see he means what you said.
Namely, '...the Germans, and British Airways...'
If you want to waste ten minutes of your life: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma
Namely, '...the Germans, and British Airways...'
If you want to waste ten minutes of your life: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma
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one more new airline probably creates more than 1 new based frame from a loco
Not to mention that ridiculous Spanish outfit bringing in cargo every night.
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Hi
Well i have just been looking at what seats are left on the United flights for the first 6 weeks of operation.
Looks like they have sold so far around 1000 seats which looks like 20% of total seats on sale for that time
You may think this looks bad 20% but when you look at other airports BFS,EDI and even HEATHROW all the plane loads look the same for what has been sold.
upfront the business seats not much sold however i would expect these to be sold nearer the time when businesses know what they want.
Bookings so far will be the leisure pax
so far so good lets hope it keeps growing
Well i have just been looking at what seats are left on the United flights for the first 6 weeks of operation.
Looks like they have sold so far around 1000 seats which looks like 20% of total seats on sale for that time
You may think this looks bad 20% but when you look at other airports BFS,EDI and even HEATHROW all the plane loads look the same for what has been sold.
upfront the business seats not much sold however i would expect these to be sold nearer the time when businesses know what they want.
Bookings so far will be the leisure pax
so far so good lets hope it keeps growing
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Summer 2015 Charter updates
Looks like Varna on a thursday with Thomas Cook has been canx.
NO Onur flight but still have Pegasus...
Alba Star is to do the Saturday Verona flights now
NO Onur flight but still have Pegasus...
Alba Star is to do the Saturday Verona flights now
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HH6702: Damn, shame about Varna, I can't find any mention of TOM to Hurghada either, does anyone know if that's still knocking about? Also, how did you get the info on the seats sold, I've only ever looked at the seat map on the website and they're all the same. Good to hear though
johnnychips: Thank, you yes I did make a small typo there, my bad. I am of course fully aware that British Airways never owned Thomas Cook hahahaha
SWBKCB: I'll admit that probably was an exaggeration, to an extent. It would just seem to me that if for example Easyjet based a new aircraft, they already have contracts, staff, facilities set up at NCL, but if a new carrier came in, they would have all of that to set up, and in the long run if it ended up being a very successful, regular route (say if EK goes 2 daily, or UA ended up going 10 weekly+ year round) then the jobs created etc. Would seem to be quite similar, especially considering legacy carriers as a rule of thumb employ more people than locos.
Canberra I think that's probably personal, try not to let me bother you mate, was it my typo or my picking up on the ridiculousness of not funding foreign carriers?
johnnychips: Thank, you yes I did make a small typo there, my bad. I am of course fully aware that British Airways never owned Thomas Cook hahahaha
SWBKCB: I'll admit that probably was an exaggeration, to an extent. It would just seem to me that if for example Easyjet based a new aircraft, they already have contracts, staff, facilities set up at NCL, but if a new carrier came in, they would have all of that to set up, and in the long run if it ended up being a very successful, regular route (say if EK goes 2 daily, or UA ended up going 10 weekly+ year round) then the jobs created etc. Would seem to be quite similar, especially considering legacy carriers as a rule of thumb employ more people than locos.
Canberra I think that's probably personal, try not to let me bother you mate, was it my typo or my picking up on the ridiculousness of not funding foreign carriers?
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It's hard to think of routes that would be viable and justify spending public money on developing. With this £56m. Is this just for routes from NCL? Or is it for the North East or England as a whole to share? It won't go far if it is shared!
What about T3 or BM to Norwich? Apparently NCL is one of the most requested routes from Norwich (according to the Norwich forum anyway). If LinksAir think they can make VLY-CWL-NWI (good luck to them!) work then perhaps the development fund could help NCL to NWI build up into a long successful route.
KEF seems to do very well but already served up the road in EDI by U2 with the benefit of a lot more inward tourism to EDI than we could. If Icelandair flew it there would be connections to the US. However most of these are very seasonal and will compete with the seasonal United flight which will offer more connections to more places than Icelandair, so I think that's a nonstarter. Would have to be LCC P2P traffic really.
What about T3 or BM to Norwich? Apparently NCL is one of the most requested routes from Norwich (according to the Norwich forum anyway). If LinksAir think they can make VLY-CWL-NWI (good luck to them!) work then perhaps the development fund could help NCL to NWI build up into a long successful route.
KEF seems to do very well but already served up the road in EDI by U2 with the benefit of a lot more inward tourism to EDI than we could. If Icelandair flew it there would be connections to the US. However most of these are very seasonal and will compete with the seasonal United flight which will offer more connections to more places than Icelandair, so I think that's a nonstarter. Would have to be LCC P2P traffic really.
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fa2fi, I agree with KEF, maybe if FI did winter seasonal x2 weekly? Lower risk for UA even if they went x5 weekly/daily year round.
BM to NWI could be a good shout if it's as popula as it's meant to be. BM to FRA too? With LH codeshare?
LCC P2P, I've said it before and I'll say it again, EZY to Munich, Milan, Marrakech, maybe Reykjavik? If they gave a 4th frame, maybe more Greek routes, Athens? Sicily could be nice (I don't know how many weekly frequencies one frame can operate, 14-18 depending on sector length?) Winter seasonal to Lanzarote, Sharm El Sheikh, Paphos? I think EZY have realised the market outside of Spain and Portugal.
My addition for the £56 million wishlist would be Turkish couple per week to Istanbul, and return of Venice, LS seemed to have good loads for all I saw.
EDIT: Yeah I think it's just for NCL, if NCL/MME/CAX all got £56 million each we could see some good news from the latter two for once.
BM to NWI could be a good shout if it's as popula as it's meant to be. BM to FRA too? With LH codeshare?
LCC P2P, I've said it before and I'll say it again, EZY to Munich, Milan, Marrakech, maybe Reykjavik? If they gave a 4th frame, maybe more Greek routes, Athens? Sicily could be nice (I don't know how many weekly frequencies one frame can operate, 14-18 depending on sector length?) Winter seasonal to Lanzarote, Sharm El Sheikh, Paphos? I think EZY have realised the market outside of Spain and Portugal.
My addition for the £56 million wishlist would be Turkish couple per week to Istanbul, and return of Venice, LS seemed to have good loads for all I saw.
EDIT: Yeah I think it's just for NCL, if NCL/MME/CAX all got £56 million each we could see some good news from the latter two for once.
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I think that the fund should open up routes from NCL to every regional airport in the world with under 5m pax - there does that cover everybody's wish list, or are we going to get more pages of "well I think a twice weekly to xxxx would be good" ?
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Canberra - I think he meant to insert what is called an 'Oxford Comma' before the 'and'. Read it and pause in different places and you'll see he means what you said.
Namely, '...the Germans, and British Airways...'
Namely, '...the Germans, and British Airways...'
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SWBKCB, The Fedex feeder flight is currently contracted out to Swiftair according to Wikipedia, and I know it's a national fund but I've heard no mention of MME or CAX applying for it. As I said, if they both get £56 million as well... Good!