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From DTV Thread:
No....! Chaps - This is not about North of the region v South (Geordies vs. Smoggies!) In fact .... Your response re. "Precious Newcasrtle" is part of the problem. Teeside is at most 50 minutes from NCL ... which could be much improved via reliable comfortable and Fast public transport. Central London to Heathrow via Tube is 50 minutes! - This is where investment should be made... then we can promote the NORTH EAST REGION! (I.E. TWEED to TEES.. as per Lord Adonis' report).. Have you read it?!....
Have a look at the posts coming from those who want to see the airport close, then look at where they've listed their location as. More often than not they're geordies who know that if, in the unlikely event, DTVA was to get the significant investment it deserves and a new dynamic management team, their precious NCL would have a fight on their hands!
I think it's time the moderators had a good clean up of this thread and got rid of all the biased individuals who post pointless criticism just to cause trouble, and keep any posts that contain constructive criticism, which would probably be none.
I think it's time the moderators had a good clean up of this thread and got rid of all the biased individuals who post pointless criticism just to cause trouble, and keep any posts that contain constructive criticism, which would probably be none.
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Sorry, VentureGo, but I don't think there is any such thing as "The North East" anymore. Newcastle Airport draws its passengers from the Scottish borders, Cumbria, County Durham and Teesside as well as Tyne and Wear. It also delivers inbound traffic for all these destinations. If you look at the departure screens at Darlington railway station, you will see regular departures to "Manchester Airport". That tells you how far (metaphorically) that both Newcastle and Teesside Airports have to go in terms of hearts, minds and wallets.
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MPs back Newcastle Airport argument to scrap Air Passenger Duty
The Journal May 10 2013 http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-e...61634-33310278/
Planes at Newcastle International Airport
INFLUENTIAL MPs have backed North East business leaders’ calls to expand Heathrow Airport and potentially scrap Air Passenger Duty.
In a report published today, the Transport Select Committee says plans for a new “Boris Island” airport in the Thames estuary should be binned, while a third and possibly even fourth runway are added to Britain’s biggest airport, boosting connectivity with the regions.
The committee also urges the Government to launch a study into whether APD is having a damaging effect on the economy, and if it is, to abolish it, something that Newcastle International Airport, The Journal and the North East Chamber of Commerce have long campaigned for.
NECC chief executive James Ramsbotham hopes ministers will heed the recommendations, which also include a 12 month APD ‘holiday’ for new routes at airports outside of the South East
He said: “A third Heathrow runway would have a positive impact on regional business, improving links from North East airports to the capital and beyond.
“And by removing APD, even for a 12-month period as suggested, the North East could further improve on our impressive export performance and deliver more for UK PLC.
“The removal of APD would also help the North East secure more long haul flights and could achieve the priority target of attracting a direct flight to the USA.”
Newcastle International currently has six flights a day into Heathrow, helping businesses connect with markets around the world.
However, it’s feared pressure to devote limited Heathrow slots to international routes will threaten Newcastle’s allocation, which couldhave dire consequences for the local economy.
Recent research by Oxford Economics found £3.6bn worth of exports from the region are dependent on air travel and 96% of these go via a hub airport like Heathrow.
It’s reckoned to support 2,000 tourism jobs and 700 airport jobs in the North East, with visitors travelling via Heathrow contributing £49.3m to the region’s GDP in 2010. The study also found one in seven jobs in the region is dependant on foreign investment.
Graeme Mason of Newcastle International Airport said: “Building an airport in the Thames Estuary is too expensive, we said that, and we’ve always said we support additional capacity at Heathrow, though the committee has gone further and considered a fourth runway, which we would very much welcome.
“If Government policy comes to mirror this then that would be a major victory.”
Jamie Martin of law firm Ward Hadaway said the recommendations could be excellent news for the North East economy.
“The region is already a net exporter and the continuing growth of industries such as the offshore, subsea and renewable energy sectors means that North East know-how and products are in increasing demand across the globe.
“The continuing success of Newcastle International Airport has made a major contribution to this and removing the burden of Air Passenger Duty would improve the situation even further.
“When you add this to the prospect of an expanded Heathrow with better connectivity to the North East, it has the potential to really open up the world to the region.”
The Journal May 10 2013 http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-e...61634-33310278/
Planes at Newcastle International Airport
INFLUENTIAL MPs have backed North East business leaders’ calls to expand Heathrow Airport and potentially scrap Air Passenger Duty.
In a report published today, the Transport Select Committee says plans for a new “Boris Island” airport in the Thames estuary should be binned, while a third and possibly even fourth runway are added to Britain’s biggest airport, boosting connectivity with the regions.
The committee also urges the Government to launch a study into whether APD is having a damaging effect on the economy, and if it is, to abolish it, something that Newcastle International Airport, The Journal and the North East Chamber of Commerce have long campaigned for.
NECC chief executive James Ramsbotham hopes ministers will heed the recommendations, which also include a 12 month APD ‘holiday’ for new routes at airports outside of the South East
He said: “A third Heathrow runway would have a positive impact on regional business, improving links from North East airports to the capital and beyond.
“And by removing APD, even for a 12-month period as suggested, the North East could further improve on our impressive export performance and deliver more for UK PLC.
“The removal of APD would also help the North East secure more long haul flights and could achieve the priority target of attracting a direct flight to the USA.”
Newcastle International currently has six flights a day into Heathrow, helping businesses connect with markets around the world.
However, it’s feared pressure to devote limited Heathrow slots to international routes will threaten Newcastle’s allocation, which couldhave dire consequences for the local economy.
Recent research by Oxford Economics found £3.6bn worth of exports from the region are dependent on air travel and 96% of these go via a hub airport like Heathrow.
It’s reckoned to support 2,000 tourism jobs and 700 airport jobs in the North East, with visitors travelling via Heathrow contributing £49.3m to the region’s GDP in 2010. The study also found one in seven jobs in the region is dependant on foreign investment.
Graeme Mason of Newcastle International Airport said: “Building an airport in the Thames Estuary is too expensive, we said that, and we’ve always said we support additional capacity at Heathrow, though the committee has gone further and considered a fourth runway, which we would very much welcome.
“If Government policy comes to mirror this then that would be a major victory.”
Jamie Martin of law firm Ward Hadaway said the recommendations could be excellent news for the North East economy.
“The region is already a net exporter and the continuing growth of industries such as the offshore, subsea and renewable energy sectors means that North East know-how and products are in increasing demand across the globe.
“The continuing success of Newcastle International Airport has made a major contribution to this and removing the burden of Air Passenger Duty would improve the situation even further.
“When you add this to the prospect of an expanded Heathrow with better connectivity to the North East, it has the potential to really open up the world to the region.”
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One must remember that the bulk of NCL traffic is leisure orientated and
APD would seemingly deter UK pax taking their cash out of the local economy. ?
APD would seemingly deter UK pax taking their cash out of the local economy. ?
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NCL is hardly unique in that regard.
If a UK traveller books a package holiday abroad then the chances are he'll be booking with a UK company, which supports jobs in the UK and contributes to the revenue. It will support jobs at the airport, indirectly and directly. Debit, credit cards, mobile phones used abroad will generate profit streams back in the UK too. The UK hotel and restaurant trade misses out, but I bet the analysis is interesting when its looked at in the round
If a UK traveller books a package holiday abroad then the chances are he'll be booking with a UK company, which supports jobs in the UK and contributes to the revenue. It will support jobs at the airport, indirectly and directly. Debit, credit cards, mobile phones used abroad will generate profit streams back in the UK too. The UK hotel and restaurant trade misses out, but I bet the analysis is interesting when its looked at in the round
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It would be interesting to see a breakdown of 'who gets what', remembering that there is no VAT imposed on foreign packaged holidays. One would suspect that a far bigger percentage of the actual spend goes to economies outwith the UK. And it would be unfair to single out just NCL, there are other
airports whose flight programmes are heavily biased toward leisure flights almost 100% filled by UK pax.
airports whose flight programmes are heavily biased toward leisure flights almost 100% filled by UK pax.
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Joe, - You're simply wrong and out of date! - Newcastle and its catchment area relies on its Air & Sea links for International Trade... Exports, Financial & Commercial Business, Freight as well as Inbound tourism for not only the immediate Newcastle City venues, but also the wider area of Cumbria, Northumberland, County Durham, Teeside, Lake District and the Scottish Borders.
Did you actually read the report
I really don't understand your argument re. VAT, UK businesses losing out etc...
Newcastle Airport has brought huge advances in trade with countries served by Emirates daily service to and beyond its Dubai hub.
In my opinion it is the lack of competition and regulatory red tape and anti competitive Airline Alliances preventing a similar East bound North American link to major hubs in the U.S.
Did you actually read the report
Recent research by Oxford Economics found £3.6bn worth of exports from the region are dependent on air travel and 96% of these go via a hub airport like Heathrow.
It’s reckoned to support 2,000 tourism jobs and 700 airport jobs in the North East, with visitors travelling via Heathrow contributing £49.3m to the region’s GDP in 2010. The study also found one in seven jobs in the region is dependant on foreign investment.
It’s reckoned to support 2,000 tourism jobs and 700 airport jobs in the North East, with visitors travelling via Heathrow contributing £49.3m to the region’s GDP in 2010. The study also found one in seven jobs in the region is dependant on foreign investment.
Newcastle Airport has brought huge advances in trade with countries served by Emirates daily service to and beyond its Dubai hub.
In my opinion it is the lack of competition and regulatory red tape and anti competitive Airline Alliances preventing a similar East bound North American link to major hubs in the U.S.
Hook, Line and Sinker...
1-0 to JC.
Joe is right -
as it is at most (all?) UK regional airports, so 'who gets what' is a wider discussion and not relevant to the NCL thread (and no Joe, you can't have APD devolved so EDI can nick NCL's traffic).
1-0 to JC.
Joe is right -
the bulk of NCL traffic is leisure orientated
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Why drag EDI into this? I never mentioned it but seeing the apparent
interest should we perhaps mention the tiny percentage of charter flight traffic there?
I doubt EDI or any single UK airport will be APD free. Political fixes will be UK-wide and not selective. Level playing field competition is the name of the game..
interest should we perhaps mention the tiny percentage of charter flight traffic there?
I doubt EDI or any single UK airport will be APD free. Political fixes will be UK-wide and not selective. Level playing field competition is the name of the game..
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So 100% of the passengers that use EDI are business travellers so aiding the Scottish economy by helping to sell products and services overseas thereby enhancing Scottish employment and no-one on an EDI scheduled service is going abroad for leisure purposes?
Let's look at some of these 100% business destinations ex-EDI bearing in mind the small charter programme that we've been told about:
Alicante, Paphos, Dubrovnik, Dalaman, Palma, Tenerife, Ibiza, Malaga, Menorca, Olbia
I would imagine all these are cyclical in nature i.e. high frequency in summer and low frequency in winter. Not unlike a charter programme that exists, perhaps, at Newcastle which we have to remember has your implicit criticism of the passengers spending overseas.
Let's look at some of these 100% business destinations ex-EDI bearing in mind the small charter programme that we've been told about:
Alicante, Paphos, Dubrovnik, Dalaman, Palma, Tenerife, Ibiza, Malaga, Menorca, Olbia
I would imagine all these are cyclical in nature i.e. high frequency in summer and low frequency in winter. Not unlike a charter programme that exists, perhaps, at Newcastle which we have to remember has your implicit criticism of the passengers spending overseas.
Yes, EDI might have a tiny percentage of charter flight traffic but a higher percentage of loco flights to 'leisure' destinations as above - two sides of the same coin.
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Hi, first post, please don't be too harsh.
This business about EDI having a "tiny" amount of leisure traffic, although they do have significantly more business oriented flights, there are also a significant number of leisure flights.
Firstly the business flights, Edinburgh does have quite a lot, however you have to remember that although it is a Regional UK airport, it is also the airport for the capital city of Scotland. So 20+ flights a day to Heathrow with 2 airlines and 2+ per day on a 767 is understandable along with various other flights to EU cities that NCL doesn't have.
The actial total of leisure flights, however are seemingly overlooked as people seem to have beem simply looking at TOM and TCX which, yes do not have that much of a significant presence compared to NCL, MAN, EMA, DSA and LBA (somewhat) etc. However Edinburgh does have the following:
- Significant Easyjet base, easyjet isn't really that business oriented, although they do have a few EU cities from EDI.
- Significant Jet2 base + Jet2 Holidays.
- Significant Ryanair base
- Various other small charter ops such as BA cityflyer, Freebird etc...
Also, really good news about EK and I must say an average of 250 pax a day is really good. I was lucky to be on the 75th anniversary flight, which, as some may or may not know, held and probably still holds the record for the most passengers ever carried on a commercial flight from Newcastle at 418... And someone was arrested upon arrival in Dubai for smoking in the toilet...
Thanks All
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This business about EDI having a "tiny" amount of leisure traffic, although they do have significantly more business oriented flights, there are also a significant number of leisure flights.
Firstly the business flights, Edinburgh does have quite a lot, however you have to remember that although it is a Regional UK airport, it is also the airport for the capital city of Scotland. So 20+ flights a day to Heathrow with 2 airlines and 2+ per day on a 767 is understandable along with various other flights to EU cities that NCL doesn't have.
The actial total of leisure flights, however are seemingly overlooked as people seem to have beem simply looking at TOM and TCX which, yes do not have that much of a significant presence compared to NCL, MAN, EMA, DSA and LBA (somewhat) etc. However Edinburgh does have the following:
- Significant Easyjet base, easyjet isn't really that business oriented, although they do have a few EU cities from EDI.
- Significant Jet2 base + Jet2 Holidays.
- Significant Ryanair base
- Various other small charter ops such as BA cityflyer, Freebird etc...
Also, really good news about EK and I must say an average of 250 pax a day is really good. I was lucky to be on the 75th anniversary flight, which, as some may or may not know, held and probably still holds the record for the most passengers ever carried on a commercial flight from Newcastle at 418... And someone was arrested upon arrival in Dubai for smoking in the toilet...
Thanks All
Regards
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Well lets hope that the others includes IAG and let's hope that they look at re-instating NCL-LGW on BA metal which should allow connections to Europe and longhaul at LGW.
BA already have a presence at NCL with handling contract, lounge etc so shouldnt take too much
cs
BA already have a presence at NCL with handling contract, lounge etc so shouldnt take too much
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I hope they don't sell off LGW for 2 reasons:
1. We will only then have a service to LHR.
2. BA having a monopoly will just hike prices up even higher.
Although BE's prices are extortionate at times and EZY would certainly be much cheaper. However I would like to see EZY serve Southend from NCL and if they began to serve LGW the chances of that happening are just about 0.
But, they do what they want to do, nothing we can do to stop them...
1. We will only then have a service to LHR.
2. BA having a monopoly will just hike prices up even higher.
Although BE's prices are extortionate at times and EZY would certainly be much cheaper. However I would like to see EZY serve Southend from NCL and if they began to serve LGW the chances of that happening are just about 0.
But, they do what they want to do, nothing we can do to stop them...
esp as mentioned, MAN-LGW being pulled.
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Routes Conference
Poor showing at routes conference for Newcastle - Not pushing new destinations at all!
Compare with LeedsBradford, EMA, Edinburgh efforts! - Newcastle aren't even making a slight effort -
Maybe Newcastle needs that guy from LBA? - Not Parkins (although he did bring Emirates, Easy, Jet2 and Ryanair to Newcastle, while MD.. but his Development Manager, Tony Hallwood.
Routes Europe 2013 Company List :: Routesonline
As an example: -Refer to page 9 for LeedsBradford & page 11 for Newcastle as example: Newcastle state only 6 Unserved Routes, and no other comment promoting the airport & region; while LBA are pushing the boat out in stating 48 unserved routes and 11under-served routes supported by a message promoting their bids from Tony Hallwood, Commercial & Aviation Development Diretor.
- Comparisons with other UK airports state high numbers of unserved routes, which if I'm reading this correctly, is their "shopping list" for negotiations.
Current people at NCL from MD..Dave Laws down to his development team don.t seem to be delivering...!
Compare with LeedsBradford, EMA, Edinburgh efforts! - Newcastle aren't even making a slight effort -
Maybe Newcastle needs that guy from LBA? - Not Parkins (although he did bring Emirates, Easy, Jet2 and Ryanair to Newcastle, while MD.. but his Development Manager, Tony Hallwood.
Routes Europe 2013 Company List :: Routesonline
As an example: -Refer to page 9 for LeedsBradford & page 11 for Newcastle as example: Newcastle state only 6 Unserved Routes, and no other comment promoting the airport & region; while LBA are pushing the boat out in stating 48 unserved routes and 11under-served routes supported by a message promoting their bids from Tony Hallwood, Commercial & Aviation Development Diretor.
- Comparisons with other UK airports state high numbers of unserved routes, which if I'm reading this correctly, is their "shopping list" for negotiations.
Current people at NCL from MD..Dave Laws down to his development team don.t seem to be delivering...!
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