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Rob, what normally happens is the flt is deat with, but once another flt arrives that is 'on schedule' that takes priority, as they say 'you're off schedule go to the back of the queue' and that applies with most services, i.e. fuelling, catering, cleaning etc etc.
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OK - sorry missed that!
Yes, clearly INN should be 109.5, and just checked the latest NOTAM:
EGCC APT 20090814E44V01 A2543/09 09 25AUG1110/09 30SEP1200
RWY 05L/23R ILS DME 109.50MHZ CH 32X UNSERVICEABLE DUE MAINT
So I guess someone else also pointed it out to them.
Should have read your post in more detail - sorry!
DW.
Yes, clearly INN should be 109.5, and just checked the latest NOTAM:
EGCC APT 20090814E44V01 A2543/09 09 25AUG1110/09 30SEP1200
RWY 05L/23R ILS DME 109.50MHZ CH 32X UNSERVICEABLE DUE MAINT
So I guess someone else also pointed it out to them.
Should have read your post in more detail - sorry!
DW.
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And there's more !
Look out in the coming months for more exciting outages. Yes not only are the ILS DME's being replaced, but some bright spark has decided to replace all the ILSs' themselves over the winter months during the next 12 - 18 of them!!Standby one and all for diversions out.
What a loyal bunch of airlines we have, putting up with runways that regularly break-up or are slippery when wet. Taxiways that are crumbling before your very eyes, if you stand in the AVP and look infront of you!
Airbridges that fall on your aircraft. Parking systems that are so outdated the candles keep blowing out!
A perfectly good runway that is shut considerably more time than it is open on a daily basis, thus ensuring that the decrepit old one gets a hammering.
No wonder that loyalty is proving too much for some of them during these hard times. Still with less traffic using the place it may just be able to stay usable, unless the man at CAA aerodrome inspectorate is to come looking again!
Do other UK airfields suffer from as many closures due to runway problems as Manchester does? Not heard of many.
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Infrastructure Investment
Hi Adola 69 -
Your post reads as if you are criticizing MAN for not investing in its infrastructure, AND simultaneously for ... errr ... investing in its infrastructure? The new ILS equipment can only enhance the airport's appeal to to its 'loyal bunch of airlines', surely? And we regulars here know that for all the airport's shortcomings there is a very expensive programme of taxiway and apron upgrades in progress.
The remedy for the airport's infrastructure faults is new investment, and the new ILS installations are a part of that. Would you rather that MAN did not make this new investment? And as for the timing of the installation process - well - when is the best time to install new equipment? Traffic is at its quietest in the Winter; weather is at its best (but far from perfect) in the Summer. Ultimately, MAN must make the best judgement-call they can in choosing when to install new equipment. There is no perfect time to disrupt airline traffic, but airlines well understand the long-term benefits of investing in the installation of modern and more reliable equipment.
By the way, what do you mean by "airbridges that fall on your aircraft?" I am not saying that this has never happened (I really don't know) ... I'm just curious as to whether you are referring to a specific incident? I certainly don't get the impression that this is a common problem?
In short, why not lighten up a bit? The airport is investing in infrastructure upgrades (and during a recession too) exactly to address the issues you raise. But they can't do everything at once, and there is no way for work-in-progress to be accommodated without some disruption. The airport is doing its best to minimize (because it cannot eliminate) such disruption. What more do you expect?
All the best. SHED.
Your post reads as if you are criticizing MAN for not investing in its infrastructure, AND simultaneously for ... errr ... investing in its infrastructure? The new ILS equipment can only enhance the airport's appeal to to its 'loyal bunch of airlines', surely? And we regulars here know that for all the airport's shortcomings there is a very expensive programme of taxiway and apron upgrades in progress.
The remedy for the airport's infrastructure faults is new investment, and the new ILS installations are a part of that. Would you rather that MAN did not make this new investment? And as for the timing of the installation process - well - when is the best time to install new equipment? Traffic is at its quietest in the Winter; weather is at its best (but far from perfect) in the Summer. Ultimately, MAN must make the best judgement-call they can in choosing when to install new equipment. There is no perfect time to disrupt airline traffic, but airlines well understand the long-term benefits of investing in the installation of modern and more reliable equipment.
By the way, what do you mean by "airbridges that fall on your aircraft?" I am not saying that this has never happened (I really don't know) ... I'm just curious as to whether you are referring to a specific incident? I certainly don't get the impression that this is a common problem?
In short, why not lighten up a bit? The airport is investing in infrastructure upgrades (and during a recession too) exactly to address the issues you raise. But they can't do everything at once, and there is no way for work-in-progress to be accommodated without some disruption. The airport is doing its best to minimize (because it cannot eliminate) such disruption. What more do you expect?
All the best. SHED.
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In short, why not lighten up a bit?
..i guess because its really really sad that a once great airport appears to be falling apart !
You would have to work in airport marketing to put a positive spin on what is happening at the minute.
If there was one problem in isolation fair enough but Manchester Airport is facing a culmination of problems brought on by what appears to be lack of investment over numerous years.
Many on here share a sense of frustration because there is no voice in terms challenging what is actually going on.....the local councils never seem to criticise their management team, the regional papers are deafeningly quite so the status quo is maintained....
The current recession should impact on decisions in the future, but is actually being used to hide many faults created by numerous years of senior mis-management !
Problems that should have been addressed years ago when times were good were never fixed, many of these issues have come to a head at the same time !
..as has been said, does anybody have evidence of an airport being closed because the runway is crumbling ? ...if it were not so serious it would almost be humerous !
..i guess because its really really sad that a once great airport appears to be falling apart !
You would have to work in airport marketing to put a positive spin on what is happening at the minute.
If there was one problem in isolation fair enough but Manchester Airport is facing a culmination of problems brought on by what appears to be lack of investment over numerous years.
Many on here share a sense of frustration because there is no voice in terms challenging what is actually going on.....the local councils never seem to criticise their management team, the regional papers are deafeningly quite so the status quo is maintained....
The current recession should impact on decisions in the future, but is actually being used to hide many faults created by numerous years of senior mis-management !
Problems that should have been addressed years ago when times were good were never fixed, many of these issues have come to a head at the same time !
..as has been said, does anybody have evidence of an airport being closed because the runway is crumbling ? ...if it were not so serious it would almost be humerous !
..i guess because its really really sad that a once great airport appears to be falling apart
Been there for 20 odd years, it's convenient, gives me a way to pay the rent and best of all it isn't LHR. But great? Must have been a loooong time ago.
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The airport died when Gil Thompson retired.
Sadly what is left is a 'shopping-centre' to be serviced only by public transport. Cars are out.
In the halcyon days of Sir Gil, the airport logo was a 'chocolate orange' with routes radiating all over the globe.
The present logo resembles a dog-t*rd.
MAG would be better-off building a taxiway up to The Trafford Centre and putting airbridges on it. Sorry, I forgot, the Trafford Centre is operated by the owners of EGGP.
One of the most recent exec appointments was allegedly a lady from Wal-Mart.
Says it all.
Sadly what is left is a 'shopping-centre' to be serviced only by public transport. Cars are out.
In the halcyon days of Sir Gil, the airport logo was a 'chocolate orange' with routes radiating all over the globe.
The present logo resembles a dog-t*rd.
MAG would be better-off building a taxiway up to The Trafford Centre and putting airbridges on it. Sorry, I forgot, the Trafford Centre is operated by the owners of EGGP.
One of the most recent exec appointments was allegedly a lady from Wal-Mart.
Says it all.
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The trouble with remembering 'the good old days' is that
memory is subjective.People speak of Manchester in
the same sentence as Heathrow and comparing them is
nonesense.Manchester may have built up a
long-haul network but it has also lost services as well -
It is a regional airport.
Now it seems that it is loosing services at a greater rate than other
regionals - because it was/is a bigger regional fish.
Not having confidence in management in a time of crisis is to
be expected when you are worried about your job.
MM.
memory is subjective.People speak of Manchester in
the same sentence as Heathrow and comparing them is
nonesense.Manchester may have built up a
long-haul network but it has also lost services as well -
It is a regional airport.
Now it seems that it is loosing services at a greater rate than other
regionals - because it was/is a bigger regional fish.
Not having confidence in management in a time of crisis is to
be expected when you are worried about your job.
MM.
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MAN=DUMP
Agreed Mickeyman.
Sadly, MAN is generally considered the worst airport in the UK as a working base to fly from. The traffic through Duty-Free, the overbearing Security Staff (not all, but a few nasty ones), the dreadful long ATIS, the apalling taxi markings, the undisciplined vehicular traffic airside, and the crammed International Arrivals Hall in T1 all contribute. (ATC do their best, but their radar gives no indication of wx returns, and this makes approaches/holding difficult during stormy wx).
Not a good airport.
Sadly, MAN is generally considered the worst airport in the UK as a working base to fly from. The traffic through Duty-Free, the overbearing Security Staff (not all, but a few nasty ones), the dreadful long ATIS, the apalling taxi markings, the undisciplined vehicular traffic airside, and the crammed International Arrivals Hall in T1 all contribute. (ATC do their best, but their radar gives no indication of wx returns, and this makes approaches/holding difficult during stormy wx).
Not a good airport.
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Delta JFK
They are posting on a.net as it is the end of MAN-JFK but is it
not just going seasonable?
Just checked their site and still showing direct on a 757 from June 2010.
Pete
not just going seasonable?
Just checked their site and still showing direct on a 757 from June 2010.
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You are talking about the MD at EMA who came from ASDA and is never seen in the terminal or airside, and whom most of the staff have never met unlike her predecessors who were actually aviation people! The new MD at MAN I believe came from a car part company! So you can see there is a lot of aviation experience at the top of MAG. Even Geoff is a construction bod. EMA has been steadily ruined by MAG interference and politics, a shame really.
