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Saudi
Perhaps I am doing something wrong, I have seen several times that Saudi are continuing one of the Manchester flights, however at present none are bookable from Feb whilst other routes are. Has this been a late decision to continue.
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bmi regional Manchester-Glasgow
I seam to have missed something about this route, only last year it was been operated several times a day by both bmi and flybe. What has forced bmi to slim it down to one flight a day and then to abandon it from later this month. After all bmi and flybe still compete with several flights each a day on the Manchester to Edinburgh route which is a similar distance and which has seemed to grown at a similar rate, at least in terms of flight frequency over the past 20 years.
If it is something do with the current economic climate or competition from flybe then why is the Manchester to Edinburgh not been cut back in a similar fashion.
It is not as if ground transport has suddenly improved between Manchester and Glasgow it still takes nearly four hours on a supposedly express service operated by transpennine express.
If it is something do with the current economic climate or competition from flybe then why is the Manchester to Edinburgh not been cut back in a similar fashion.
It is not as if ground transport has suddenly improved between Manchester and Glasgow it still takes nearly four hours on a supposedly express service operated by transpennine express.
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There are all sorts of shennanigans going on behind the scenes with BAA Scotland (GLA/EDI) and this will be part albeit small of the reason for the discrepancy. The contrast between the two is now becoming increasingly transparent. I understand BAA aims to offload GLA after the appeal.
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Was playing cricket at my local cricket club (Cheadle CC) yesterday and kept noticing that planes on finals for 23R seemed a lot closer and their altitudes deviated quite a bit from each other. Looked like they were either establishing very late on the ILS or was there something wrong with it?
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The 23R ILS is currently withdrawn because the equipment is being replaced. The standard approach to 23R for the next 2-3 weeks is the VOR/DME procedure which requires aircraft to establish on a radial from the 'MCT' beacon, at a slight offset to the centreline, bringing them to a point where they intersect with the extended runway centreline and continue visually. There is no guidance as to the descent profile other than the procedure 'plate' until the PAPIs can be seen and followed. This is a 'non-precision' approach with higher weather minima than ILS. Looks a bit strange when you are used to seeing the stable and straight-in ILS approach.
The 23R ILS is currently withdrawn because the equipment is being replaced. The standard approach to 23R for the next 2-3 weeks is the VOR/DME procedure which requires aircraft to establish on a radial from the 'MCT' beacon, at a slight offset to the centreline, bringing them to a point where they intersect with the extended runway centreline and continue visually. There is no guidance as to the descent profile other than the procedure 'plate' until the PAPIs can be seen and followed. This is a 'non-precision' approach with higher weather minima than ILS. Looks a bit strange when you are used to seeing the stable and straight-in ILS approach.
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Thanks, I knew the ILS was been replaced, just didn't know when it was. Thanks though, that makes it a lot clearer. Aircraft seemed to be heading on the radial near our cricket club and once passing parallel to us would then intersect centre line.
Thanks, I knew the ILS was been replaced, just didn't know when it was. Thanks though, that makes it a lot clearer. Aircraft seemed to be heading on the radial near our cricket club and once passing parallel to us would then intersect centre line.
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why is the Manchester to Edinburgh not been cut back in a similar fashion
This is good news for BE though who now have the market for themselves and have managed to grow the market since the acquisition of BAConnect.
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Manchester Taxiway Repairs
Could anyone please tell me what is going on with the taxiways at Man was at the airport on Saturday watching Singapore 777 going ot as i am flying on it soon when to it pushed back and had a follow me service thru the work on taxiway Lima i presume Delta was closed as there was a barrier at alpha intersection. what amazed me that hakfway thru towing the singapore an ops vehicle moved the barrier to let aircraft used Delta due to congestion the blocked it off again i heard atc tell one pilot that ther is only one way in to T2 which is thru works on Taxiway L seems that the airport taxiway system is a shambles at present i know there is alot of taxiway works to be done but at one point there were five aircraft on Alpha waiting to get to there stands but due aircraft departing could not go anywhere as there is only one taxiway in use having spoken with a few pilots seems that they are not to happy with MAG
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Is it always ATC/Approach Plate that decides the exact radial flown towards the VOR, and will it always be the same heading?
Would more go-arounds be expected during this type of appraoch (for example during the weeks that the ILS is U/S) than normal? - Due to approaches being a little more unstable and possibly because pilots are less used to flying this sort of approach (certainly into MAN).
Would more go-arounds be expected during this type of appraoch (for example during the weeks that the ILS is U/S) than normal? - Due to approaches being a little more unstable and possibly because pilots are less used to flying this sort of approach (certainly into MAN).
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I did it yesterday. It's pretty straight forward - it's the NDB approach that I detest. Didn't encounter any go-arounds though you may see a few people getting unstuck. As I say, the ndb apporach normally sees people going around all over the shop.
As for taxiways, TWY Charlie is closed to C2, and you'll notice works between D4 and D5 - so a/c have to go around using A. Q is closed, C2 is closed, KC is closed and L is unlit.
It's an absolute nightmare at MAN at the mo.
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As for taxiways, TWY Charlie is closed to C2, and you'll notice works between D4 and D5 - so a/c have to go around using A. Q is closed, C2 is closed, KC is closed and L is unlit.
It's an absolute nightmare at MAN at the mo.
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AWR,
the radial flown on the procedure is published on the approach plate. There is a note that the final approach radial is 5 degrees offset from the centreline. Inbound radial is 229 (if I remember correctly!)
It's no great shakes with a reasonable cloudbase and vis. Actually gives us something to think about and fly. Get's us a little more manual handling!
In terms of heading, don't forget that the radial is fixed, the heading you fly will be different due to the wind on the day. I fly the bus, which has a track/ flight path angle feature. Basically, once the aircraft is on the radial, you set that as the track and the flight director will take into account the wind to give a heading to follow. If it's in auto, then it really is no big deal. Hope this explains it.
the radial flown on the procedure is published on the approach plate. There is a note that the final approach radial is 5 degrees offset from the centreline. Inbound radial is 229 (if I remember correctly!)
It's no great shakes with a reasonable cloudbase and vis. Actually gives us something to think about and fly. Get's us a little more manual handling!
In terms of heading, don't forget that the radial is fixed, the heading you fly will be different due to the wind on the day. I fly the bus, which has a track/ flight path angle feature. Basically, once the aircraft is on the radial, you set that as the track and the flight director will take into account the wind to give a heading to follow. If it's in auto, then it really is no big deal. Hope this explains it.
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Also whilst playing cricket on Saturday at Woodford i noticed at least three go-arounds, a couple were from quiet far out the other looked more standard (if there is such a thing!!), yesterday whilst out with the kids saw a couple more including a 320 through the approach at about 11 miles before banking to join from the right.
Am i right in saying that as soon as we drop into low viz procedures the whole place will come to a grinding halt ???
Am i right in saying that as soon as we drop into low viz procedures the whole place will come to a grinding halt ???
Re Low Vis ops.
There is the potential for more missed approaches and perhaps diversions out due to lack of ILS, however the weather conditions conducive to fog also normally mean nil or light surface wind which would allow use of 05L ILS.
23R ILS is due back CAT1 on 19/10, after a period of reliable service it will be declared CAT3. Work will then commence on 05L ILS replacement.
There is the potential for more missed approaches and perhaps diversions out due to lack of ILS, however the weather conditions conducive to fog also normally mean nil or light surface wind which would allow use of 05L ILS.
23R ILS is due back CAT1 on 19/10, after a period of reliable service it will be declared CAT3. Work will then commence on 05L ILS replacement.
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...I "think" I agree with you sentiments but to be honest I can't tell a bloody word your saying.
Any chance of giving us more mere mortals a sporting chance of deciphering your outpourings, by selecting the more commonly used medium of the English Language.
I know my spelling, punctuation etc can be poor but please just humour us and throw in a full stop here or there , the occasional capital letter or dare I suggest a sprinkling of comma's... ta !
...I "think" I agree with you sentiments but to be honest I can't tell a bloody word your saying.
Any chance of giving us more mere mortals a sporting chance of deciphering your outpourings, by selecting the more commonly used medium of the English Language.
I know my spelling, punctuation etc can be poor but please just humour us and throw in a full stop here or there , the occasional capital letter or dare I suggest a sprinkling of comma's... ta !
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A sprinkling of comma's?
Oh dear.
To translate, he merely said that it's chaos at MAN at the moment due to WIP, which should be finished hopefully around October this year. He also said some pilots are getting a little miffed about said chaos, which is true.
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Oh dear.
To translate, he merely said that it's chaos at MAN at the moment due to WIP, which should be finished hopefully around October this year. He also said some pilots are getting a little miffed about said chaos, which is true.
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Taxiway works
Sorry about the grammar NAVPI my point was that T/way D closed so the singapore was towed thru work on T/way L.but half way thru the tow they decided to open Delta to allow the Globespan to taxi in. What was the point in having the Singapore towed out when they could have removed the barrier on T/way Delta, to allow him to taxi out via delta and Alpha to 23L. Seems that the airport have lost the plot
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Ican see your point MAN777 but the point i was making is that the airport don't seem to have a clue what they are doing on the ground how can an airport the size of Manchester only have one Taxiway avialable for traffic coming from T2 and C pier
Not there on the days mentioned so can't be sure what caused the actual circumstances with the closing/opening of Delta for the globespan ...
However........Twys Delta & Lima are both (normally!!) open (so two not one T2 routes, usually Lima outbound/Delta inbound, 777's use Delta outbound) but with follow-me's during night hours as temporarily diverted centre lines on both are unlit.
There has been works (pits/cabling)in the grass areas alongside Alpha/Delta causing temporary closures of Delta for safety reasons and to allow contractors access to the working areas - mainly at night - although this (the night work) should now be finished for the moment.
There has recently been a temporary closure (hours not days) of Delta to allow some minor repairs opposite the fire station.
Where taxi-ways have been temporarily closed for running repairs they can be opened again at very short notice if it helps resolve a ground movement issue and it's safe to do.e.g. the work was completed and the repair is being given time to "set".
If ATC have a potential ground movement problem/bottleneck, a check of the repair shows it's set quicker than expected so taxiway can be re-opened. It can also be the case that the section closed off/re-opened is precautionary to allow nearby works.
Again if the works have not yet started/are finishing early etc., or the workers can be quickly moved away to a safe spot then it would make sense to open (even temp.) if it helps.
Finally.... sometimes the barriers are placed in positions (such as junction Bravo/Alpha opposite viewing park) to prevent a/c going down a "dead-end" if they take a wrong turn when the work is taking place somewhere else.
You'll often see these removed quickly and then replaced to allow entry/exit to perhaps Ocean Sky/Engine Test Bay etc.
It's not unusual to close sections of taxiways for thing like refreshing paint markings etc when the opportunity arises.
Again if there's no safety issue and there's a need they can be opened again just as easy.
Hope that helps ....
added: if the Singapore was under tow was it going to/from the ETB or the maint. hangar ?? ...... very unusual for the Singapore to be towed anywhere??
However........Twys Delta & Lima are both (normally!!) open (so two not one T2 routes, usually Lima outbound/Delta inbound, 777's use Delta outbound) but with follow-me's during night hours as temporarily diverted centre lines on both are unlit.
There has been works (pits/cabling)in the grass areas alongside Alpha/Delta causing temporary closures of Delta for safety reasons and to allow contractors access to the working areas - mainly at night - although this (the night work) should now be finished for the moment.
There has recently been a temporary closure (hours not days) of Delta to allow some minor repairs opposite the fire station.
Where taxi-ways have been temporarily closed for running repairs they can be opened again at very short notice if it helps resolve a ground movement issue and it's safe to do.e.g. the work was completed and the repair is being given time to "set".
If ATC have a potential ground movement problem/bottleneck, a check of the repair shows it's set quicker than expected so taxiway can be re-opened. It can also be the case that the section closed off/re-opened is precautionary to allow nearby works.
Again if the works have not yet started/are finishing early etc., or the workers can be quickly moved away to a safe spot then it would make sense to open (even temp.) if it helps.
Finally.... sometimes the barriers are placed in positions (such as junction Bravo/Alpha opposite viewing park) to prevent a/c going down a "dead-end" if they take a wrong turn when the work is taking place somewhere else.
You'll often see these removed quickly and then replaced to allow entry/exit to perhaps Ocean Sky/Engine Test Bay etc.
It's not unusual to close sections of taxiways for thing like refreshing paint markings etc when the opportunity arises.
Again if there's no safety issue and there's a need they can be opened again just as easy.
Hope that helps ....
added: if the Singapore was under tow was it going to/from the ETB or the maint. hangar ?? ...... very unusual for the Singapore to be towed anywhere??
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Taxiway Works
From what i saw on saturday there didd'nt seem to be any work on T/way Delta,i know in the past that sections of T/ways are closed for minor works like 42Psi has stated ie painting or maintenance but from what i saw nothing was going on . As for the singapore he pushed back from T2 and was towed thru works on T/way L and started engines abeam gate 15 could have been due the pilot not comfortable with taxying past works, although not long after the virging 400 steamed thru. My point was that the airport seems to be a mess if they can open T.ways Delta and close it why not keep it open, rather than have aircraft on T/way Alpha waiting for 10 mins for a gap to taxi to stand due to one t/way being open.