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Serenity - any crew member not happy with their pay rise should leave...pure and simple. Considering the problems the industry has had they are flaming lucky to have any pay rise at all and the move to get additional aircraft in now will ultimately help to improve upon future profits and possibly therefore, staff pay.
I am sorry if this sounds a bit shirty but I simply cannot believe your comment.... just be bloody grateful
I am sorry if this sounds a bit shirty but I simply cannot believe your comment.... just be bloody grateful
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Cloud1,
Not sure which position you hold within Flybe but as aircrew we have an annual increment in place which has been in place as long as I've been at the company and before our union ever represented us.
This increment was implemented each year, and can be found for public reference on the flybe website under the careers section for flight crew.
Our letter which we recently received stated we'd be receiving a bonus (like yourself) and a 2% payrise...
Sounds fine in these harsh climates doesn't it...?
Though, what they forgot to mention was in fact that this 2% INCLUDES your annual increment (according to feedback from BALPA this afternoon). Therefore, in actual terms, again, according to BALPA, a real increase of just 0.3%. That works at about £8/month for me extra.
Since the annual increment has never been affected by pay freezes (I got mine last year and so did all the colleagues that I work with), to tell us that we're getting a 2% payrise is misleading and incorrect.
Oh and also Cloud1, I'm unable to leave since I'm bonded to the company (and as a result, if you take a look at the pay structure for new joiners), I accepted a lower pay in exchange for a type rating and a job (for which, as you put it, I am bloody grateful).
Expand upon that if you would. I'm keen to hear more..
Not sure which position you hold within Flybe but as aircrew we have an annual increment in place which has been in place as long as I've been at the company and before our union ever represented us.
This increment was implemented each year, and can be found for public reference on the flybe website under the careers section for flight crew.
Our letter which we recently received stated we'd be receiving a bonus (like yourself) and a 2% payrise...
Sounds fine in these harsh climates doesn't it...?
Though, what they forgot to mention was in fact that this 2% INCLUDES your annual increment (according to feedback from BALPA this afternoon). Therefore, in actual terms, again, according to BALPA, a real increase of just 0.3%. That works at about £8/month for me extra.
Since the annual increment has never been affected by pay freezes (I got mine last year and so did all the colleagues that I work with), to tell us that we're getting a 2% payrise is misleading and incorrect.
Oh and also Cloud1, I'm unable to leave since I'm bonded to the company (and as a result, if you take a look at the pay structure for new joiners), I accepted a lower pay in exchange for a type rating and a job (for which, as you put it, I am bloody grateful).
well if your crew, I am not surprised!
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oh dear, the moaners are out in force. well if it makes you feel any better the comment will be deleted 
I really cannot be bothered to start arguing over this because it will go on forever like most debates on here....whenever there is a minority that disagree and speak up for someone or something a little gang develops to bash it out!
And when I said: if your crew I am not surprised, I merely meant that if Flightboy was crew too and had the same feelings as Serenity I wasnt surprised that he disagreed with me....thought that would have been pretty simple to comprehend myself...
I really cannot be bothered to start arguing over this because it will go on forever like most debates on here....whenever there is a minority that disagree and speak up for someone or something a little gang develops to bash it out!And when I said: if your crew I am not surprised, I merely meant that if Flightboy was crew too and had the same feelings as Serenity I wasnt surprised that he disagreed with me....thought that would have been pretty simple to comprehend myself...
I know the are those who say we should be grateful for a job, yes, but there are still bills to pay!!
We are not asking for millions, just a competitive salary with the rest of the industry.
The new jets are very shiny and may convince a few to stay, but when the rest of the world are flying jets for 20 grand + there will still be a mass exodus to greener grass, for better pay and conditions.
Flybe call themselves a training airline, this will continue until they grow up and join the proper aviation industry!!
Lots of profits, lots of cost saving and new shiny jets, yet the pilots still get shafted!!
We will see if BALPA have any teeth at all.
We are not asking for millions, just a competitive salary with the rest of the industry.
The new jets are very shiny and may convince a few to stay, but when the rest of the world are flying jets for 20 grand + there will still be a mass exodus to greener grass, for better pay and conditions.
Flybe call themselves a training airline, this will continue until they grow up and join the proper aviation industry!!
Lots of profits, lots of cost saving and new shiny jets, yet the pilots still get shafted!!
We will see if BALPA have any teeth at all.
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Serenity - any crew member not happy with their pay rise should leave...pure and simple.
Whilst not trying to flame your post, please be aware that our pay offer is not as simple as was announced. We have annual increments set, these were not subject to a freeze, and nor should they be. They weren't in BA, they are not in the public sector. They are part of our career progression within the company and is in common with many other UK airlines. Please be aware that Flybe pay (as you have also alluded to) is low. Couple that with pretty tough scheduling, a poor management attitude to negotiation and you may start to understand why the pilot fraternity won't be terribly happy with your comments. If something isn't done to improve these points, watch Flybe struggle when BA, easyJet etc ramp up their recruitment.
In many respects Flybe is a great company to work for, w.r.t salary and scheduling, it isn't - and that dictates my mortgage and time off.
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you don`t really need any more, it sounds like concord backing up in the cabin if you use any powered reverse for not a lot of extra stopping. At idle it puts the weight on the brakes for better performance. It lands and stops so well its never an issue.
Great news for the Flybe boys and girls.
Great news for the Flybe boys and girls.
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so were do you think there euro expansion will be? i.e which countries do you think there domestic services model would work best?
gotta to say Scandinavia, i.e Norway and maybe Sweden wouldn't be a bad bet
gotta to say Scandinavia, i.e Norway and maybe Sweden wouldn't be a bad bet
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Come on over you CityFlyer boys the water's lovely
we prefer our water muddy and tidal!
Good news on the new aircraft. Just waiting to see if we are getting our options.
we prefer our water muddy and tidal!
Good news on the new aircraft. Just waiting to see if we are getting our options.
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First 175 base Guernsey!!!!!!!
Flybe.com | News Archives | July 2010
Wow only one day since the announcement and they have brought
forward the EIS date of the 175 to Spring 2011.
Glad I didn't put any money on the first base!!!!
Guernsey - Gatwick it is to be then for the first route.
Pete
Wow only one day since the announcement and they have brought
forward the EIS date of the 175 to Spring 2011.
Glad I didn't put any money on the first base!!!!
Guernsey - Gatwick it is to be then for the first route.
Pete
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Flybe.com | News Archives | July 2010
Wow only one day since the announcement and they have brought
forward the EIS date of the 175 to Spring 2011.
Glad I didn't put any money on the first base!!!!
Guernsey - Gatwick it is to be then for the first route.
Pete
Wow only one day since the announcement and they have brought
forward the EIS date of the 175 to Spring 2011.
Glad I didn't put any money on the first base!!!!
Guernsey - Gatwick it is to be then for the first route.
Pete
This would free up some DH4's for possible sale or to expand services from airports such as BOH and MSE.