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The new EDI-MSE-EDI averaged at about 60pax (give or take a few) on both sectors so it was a great start. My only concern would be that these levels of demand do not last, with the flight times as they are I do not believe as many business pax will use the service as hoped. However having said that, Flybe have said loads have exceeded expectations and the route will continue through winter.
And of course, the new MSE-MAN would not have been announced if the EDI route was struggling to get the money in.
The BOH route was not as busy but was about 49/50 on each sector - still a very good turn out for the first service.
And of course, the new MSE-MAN would not have been announced if the EDI route was struggling to get the money in.
The BOH route was not as busy but was about 49/50 on each sector - still a very good turn out for the first service.
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So the first dash to be returned in 18 months time, and as the company states "the new fleet has not yet been decided upon"
so what are the options and I guess this means Flybe have to sit down and work out in which direction their future is to go, regional, more European, bigger, smaller ?????????????!!
so what are the options and I guess this means Flybe have to sit down and work out in which direction their future is to go, regional, more European, bigger, smaller ?????????????!!
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Well rumour has it that a move to an all Embraer fleet is a strong possibility. With Embraer claiming to be able to 'tweak' the 170 to similar efficiency as a Dash on flight times of approx. one hour or more.
The Q4 is unreliable, and never has built up the passenger appeal the airline hoped it would, a move to an all jet fleet would be a huge step forward for BE, but only if it's cost effective.
The Q4 is unreliable, and never has built up the passenger appeal the airline hoped it would, a move to an all jet fleet would be a huge step forward for BE, but only if it's cost effective.
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Am I wrong, as I thought Flybe now owned a couple of the aircraft (as opposed to leasing them)
Which Q400 has been returned? G-JEDI I assume as its the oldest?
If I have completely mis-understood Serenity's post, ignore me!
Which Q400 has been returned? G-JEDI I assume as its the oldest?
If I have completely mis-understood Serenity's post, ignore me!
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I didn't quite understand what Serenity was getting at either. I've not seen any comment that gives the slightest hint FlyBe have any plans to ditch the Q400.
G-JEDI is alive and well, and did the IOM-MAH-IOM charter the other day. The initial leases on the early ones do begin to expire in 2012 and 2013 and whilst they could be returned, they could equally be extended. The more recent ones don't expire until c2018/19 so they are committed way into the future, and have four more brand new Q400's to come early next year.
G-INFO shows which Q400's are owned and which are 'chartered' in CAA speak. Those which are owned, are probably mortaged and subject to long term financial obligations.
The leased ex-SAS ones G-ECOV/W/Y/Z seem to be leaving the fleet soon, as Jethro's have 'OW going next month. Presumably one of those with Olympic will be coming back to compensate, as they are now starting to get their new Q400NG's over the summer.
Whilst I'm sure that there will be a lot of careful thought in Exeter on where BE go next, especially when the economy really starts to pick up. Even if the 170 would offer upgrade opportunities on some routes, the Q400 is doing such a good job, it's hard to imagine it not forming a big part of their plans for most of the next decade.
G-JEDI is alive and well, and did the IOM-MAH-IOM charter the other day. The initial leases on the early ones do begin to expire in 2012 and 2013 and whilst they could be returned, they could equally be extended. The more recent ones don't expire until c2018/19 so they are committed way into the future, and have four more brand new Q400's to come early next year.
G-INFO shows which Q400's are owned and which are 'chartered' in CAA speak. Those which are owned, are probably mortaged and subject to long term financial obligations.
The leased ex-SAS ones G-ECOV/W/Y/Z seem to be leaving the fleet soon, as Jethro's have 'OW going next month. Presumably one of those with Olympic will be coming back to compensate, as they are now starting to get their new Q400NG's over the summer.
Whilst I'm sure that there will be a lot of careful thought in Exeter on where BE go next, especially when the economy really starts to pick up. Even if the 170 would offer upgrade opportunities on some routes, the Q400 is doing such a good job, it's hard to imagine it not forming a big part of their plans for most of the next decade.
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If Flybe did ever turn to Embraer for an all jet fleet, how would that affect some of its key routes such as those to and from GCI? I assume if the E195 can operate 'in good weather' the smaller version would not pose any problems?
I would like to see Flybe expand a little more myself and feel they are missing out on some good opportunities. For example the Channel Islands have a large Portugese population yet only SATA operate in the summer whereas I am sure Flybe could support a service even if that is seasonal as well.
Poland seems to be an ever flourishing destination with some airports have a number of destinations thanks to Wizz. Could Flybe make a success anywhere with some of these outside of London?
Newquay seems to have died off a bit with only EDI and LGW. Could BE not jump into bed a bit more with Loganair and get a Saab down there. I am sure this could be filled on some routes in and out of Cornwall especially during the summer.
I would like to see Flybe expand a little more myself and feel they are missing out on some good opportunities. For example the Channel Islands have a large Portugese population yet only SATA operate in the summer whereas I am sure Flybe could support a service even if that is seasonal as well.
Poland seems to be an ever flourishing destination with some airports have a number of destinations thanks to Wizz. Could Flybe make a success anywhere with some of these outside of London?
Newquay seems to have died off a bit with only EDI and LGW. Could BE not jump into bed a bit more with Loganair and get a Saab down there. I am sure this could be filled on some routes in and out of Cornwall especially during the summer.
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Surely the E170 can't be any heavier than what the 146-300's were or are they???
I also reckon that alot of the talk about the embraer being too heavy is just the states way of stopping the aircraft coming in as they know alot of pax will probably choose flying on that than Aurignys ATR
I also reckon that alot of the talk about the embraer being too heavy is just the states way of stopping the aircraft coming in as they know alot of pax will probably choose flying on that than Aurignys ATR
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The new EDI-MSE-EDI averaged at about 60pax (give or take a few) on both sectors so it was a great start. My only concern would be that these levels of demand do not last, with the flight times as they are I do not believe as many business pax will use the service as hoped. However having said that, Flybe have said loads have exceeded expectations and the route will continue through winter.
And of course, the new MSE-MAN would not have been announced if the EDI route was struggling to get the money in.
And of course, the new MSE-MAN would not have been announced if the EDI route was struggling to get the money in.
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A certain department has been told by a high up manager "not to expect any other types on your licence" when asked about the 170 replacing Q4's he said that was less than likely as the dash did its job, cheaply
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But Mr Magooo if said Embraer could be made, nearly, as efficient as the Q400 but maintained it's near 100% despatch reliability (better by a mile than the Q400) then it would seem to be the best choice.
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"Don't expect another type on your licence" mmmm........ I wonder if that was from a manager who wasn't actually privvy to the presentation Embraer gave the other week re Emb170's at Faulty Towers, come on!!
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Perhaps he meant that all those who already have the type on their licence will magically bypass the seniority requirements. Maybe the real post was "if you only have the Dash on your licence, don't expect a new type".
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I recall reading an article about Bombardier introducing the Q400 Stretch at Jim French's request.......I cannot remember the ins and outs but it would obviously be a longer version of the Q400 seating up to 100 passengers. Nothing mentioned since so I am not sure if it was just a joke or not but I wouldn't rule Bombardier out of any future fleet changes. Especially considering they too have their own jet similar to that of the E195....
I think any changes would be long term, after X amount of years.
I think any changes would be long term, after X amount of years.