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Ok, so 100+ E175's, 14 E195's and 50+ Q400's? That's one serious big fleet! So in the end all the rumors were true all along...
Indeed, looks like a dual fleet strategy.
Great news!
More info.
Indeed, looks like a dual fleet strategy.
Great news!
More info.
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It will be one seriously big fleet, prob too big.
I think the 175's will replace most of the Dash's as thier lease comes to an end, but leave a small fleet of them to do the low load, high frequency, short sectors, which will only ever make money on a Dash.
Great news for everyone tho, the E-Jets are great to sit in as a Pax and as a crew!
I think the 175's will replace most of the Dash's as thier lease comes to an end, but leave a small fleet of them to do the low load, high frequency, short sectors, which will only ever make money on a Dash.
Great news for everyone tho, the E-Jets are great to sit in as a Pax and as a crew!
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great news, iv'e flown on an E-jet a couple of times now both in a E-195 and a E-175 as a passenger, and both times they were great too sit in and very comfortable.
Good deal Flybe!!
Good deal Flybe!!
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It will be one seriously big fleet, prob too big.
I think the 175's will replace most of the Dash's as there lease comes to an end, but leave a small fleet of them to do the low load, high frequency short sectors, which will only ever make money on a Dash.
Great news for everyone tho, the E-Jets are great to sit in as a Pax and as a crew!
I think the 175's will replace most of the Dash's as there lease comes to an end, but leave a small fleet of them to do the low load, high frequency short sectors, which will only ever make money on a Dash.
Great news for everyone tho, the E-Jets are great to sit in as a Pax and as a crew!
I do agree that it might be too big, though at the minute that's just going by how the fleet is currently being used, as their is no mention of this or plans for where the expansion may be used. It has already been stated some of the aircraft will most likely be used to replace the Dash's that are coming to the end of their lease. There is also the oppurtunity to perhaps open up at least two new airport bases in the UK and I can see some expansion in aircraft based in Europe too from this.
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I hope one or more ends up in NCL in line with their planned expansion from that base.
However, reading the statements on the Flybe website it seems that they plan to replicate their popular 2 x 2 seating, high frequency model within mainland Europe.
With first deliveries next year and, hopefully, economic recovery in Europe, there are interesting times ahead.
However, reading the statements on the Flybe website it seems that they plan to replicate their popular 2 x 2 seating, high frequency model within mainland Europe.
With first deliveries next year and, hopefully, economic recovery in Europe, there are interesting times ahead.
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Flybe Embraer 175 Order (It's a big one!)
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If you tie in this latest news with last week's announcement of a large scale codeshare with Air France the future for flyBE looks like loosening the ties with BA and stregthening them with AF.
mr French was glowing in his comments about AFKL.
And AFKL have a recent history of buying up stock in partner airlines.
The codeshare with BE is just the start. Give it 12 months and AFKL will have purchased a share of BE (maybe BA will be wanting to divest its 15%?)
The new fleet expansion fit entirely with AFKL puchases for Britair, regionale, and KLM Cityhopper.
Within 5 year flyBE will be Air France UK.
mr French was glowing in his comments about AFKL.
And AFKL have a recent history of buying up stock in partner airlines.
The codeshare with BE is just the start. Give it 12 months and AFKL will have purchased a share of BE (maybe BA will be wanting to divest its 15%?)
The new fleet expansion fit entirely with AFKL puchases for Britair, regionale, and KLM Cityhopper.
Within 5 year flyBE will be Air France UK.
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No, I don't think Flybe will be snapped up by Air France - my understanding of the way the Flybe board want to do things is that if they're to be taken seriously by investors - they need to demonstrate that the UK's largest regional airline can apply its model into Europe.
The board firmly believe this will work (listening to Jim French's piece this morning on the BBC website), and if it is successful it won't be long before we see an IPO and Flybe Ltd on the stock market.
Flybe have some smart folk down in Exeter and I expect this be another impressive, forward-thinking decision that's going to make for some interesting times in the next few years.
Now.... where's my E175 bid form.....
The board firmly believe this will work (listening to Jim French's piece this morning on the BBC website), and if it is successful it won't be long before we see an IPO and Flybe Ltd on the stock market.
Flybe have some smart folk down in Exeter and I expect this be another impressive, forward-thinking decision that's going to make for some interesting times in the next few years.
Now.... where's my E175 bid form.....
Don't forget that BA own 15% of FlyBe, so both the Air France agreement and the big Embraer order will have needed Willie Walsh's approval.
It is surprising that AF have gone for a codeshare with someone else, rather than putting CityJet (which they own 100%) on these routes.
Regarding the jet order, are we seeing that the story about the Dash-400, and turboprops in general, being the way forward for shorter/smaller routes just doesn't stand up, and passengers perceive them as very much second best ? And as they are notably slower, you can't get in as many sectors per day. As well as seat-mile costs you need to think of revenue per aircraft per day.
It is surprising that AF have gone for a codeshare with someone else, rather than putting CityJet (which they own 100%) on these routes.
Regarding the jet order, are we seeing that the story about the Dash-400, and turboprops in general, being the way forward for shorter/smaller routes just doesn't stand up, and passengers perceive them as very much second best ? And as they are notably slower, you can't get in as many sectors per day. As well as seat-mile costs you need to think of revenue per aircraft per day.
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Don't forget, that unless they have been quietly cancelled, BE still have 4 Q400's on firm order and 15 further options.
It would be interesting to have a definitive status on these orders/options too, in the light of today's news.
It would be interesting to have a definitive status on these orders/options too, in the light of today's news.
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And as they are notably slower, you can't get in as many sectors per day. As well as seat-mile costs you need to think of revenue per aircraft per day.
In practice, reliability compares very unfavourably with our E195s – in fact a better comparison would be with a Friday afternoon-built Austin Allegro (albeit one with a Ferrari engine). And passengers really, really don't like turboprops. Holidaymakers might not care as long as they get a cheap seat, but frequent business travellers – the ones who buy the expensive tickets - are a bit fussier. Factor those points (amongst others) into the equation and the E175 starts to look like a very sensible option.
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but frequent business travellers – the ones who buy the expensive tickets - are a bit fussier.
The best flight I've had this year was in an old Aer Lingus delivered CityJet liveried, Air France ticketed, VLM operated Fokker 50. There was even legroom.