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Old 26th Jul 2017, 14:17
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Originally Posted by canberra97 View Post
You may agree with Leedsapproach but if you look back on his numerous posts they are filled with the same content over and over again.

I realise your new to PPRuNe but seeing you have been a long time lurker you would most probably have read his long tedious posts with the same agenda every time so as much as you may agree for the sake of this thread please don't encourage him by openly agreeing with his comments because we won't see the end of it!
Yeah I had noticed the agenda, I'll try not to feed the troll

Most of his points are extremely valid though, sorry.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 15:59
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Originally Posted by DavidShepherd View Post
I have to say that Leeds Approach is absolutely spot on with his points about Leeds Bradford (although there seems to be some history here and it looks like he gets some of your backs up).
I think most sensible people would agree that thereís an underlying truth in what Leeds Approach says; the existing LBIA is sub-optimal in terms of location, access and space constraints, and if you could turn back the clock youíd put it somewhere else. Thatís fair enough.

Hereís the problem. You canít turn back the clock and we are where we are. But LA stubbornly refuses to accept this, and advocates developing an alternative site as a new Yorkshire airport with almost obsessive zeal while studiously avoiding any questions about where the funding for such a development will come from and how it will be commercially viable in an already crowded marketplace. And every time you think the discussion has exhausted itself, a few months later up he pops again, rehashing the same old arguments, all heavily infused with a sense of entitlement and a very obvious grievance against other airports. The first couple of times the discussion was interesting, thereafter it was moderately amusing for a while, but now itís just becoming tiresome.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 16:06
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^^^just about sums it up
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 18:23
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Most things you can flush, but you then get the odd stubborn one that won't go away!
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 21:10
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Originally Posted by DavidShepherd View Post

I'm a travel agent btw....

If a Jet2 or a Monarch were to try flying out of DSA, I could fill their aircraft all day long.

Practically every customer's first question is "Can I fly from Donny"
LBA Vs DSA.... LBA - People can, but don't really want to Vs DSA - People want to, but can't

Airlines seem happy with the deal at LBA, they're filling the Aircraft and and the airport sees increasing year on year passenger numbers. LBA is in a good position with the incumbent carriers, better they look after them and the passengers by whatever means before the carriers realise there is better opportunity for unrestricted growth just down the road....oh but then DSA might have to take a gamble on losing TUI, Wizz and BE.
LBA will continue to be the unpopular choice airport of the region, LS, FR and MON aren't going anywhere soon.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 21:25
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Originally Posted by DavidShepherd View Post
Hi all. Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have to say that Leeds Approach is absolutely spot on with his points about Leeds Bradford (although there seems to be some history here and it looks like he gets some of your backs up).

I live near Leeds, about 20 miles from the airport. I absolutely will not use it anymore. I can get to East Midlands in exactly the same driving time and Manchester in about 15 minutes more driving time.

It is in completely the wrong place to be an attractive place to fly from. It's nowhere near a motorway and the shortest route involves driving down what is little more than a farm track.

To cap off it's poor location is the cost to drop someone off and pick them up again. Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask. Nine quid the other day when I was picking my mother up and three quid when I dropped her off.

I really don't understand why more airlines don't use Doncaster. I flew from there last week, it took 30 mins to get there, all motorway and was a pleasure.

If I am correct and you live in Pontefract, I would like to challenge the time it takes you to get to LBA/EMA/DSA.
To get to LBA, go up the A1/A659/A658, 50 mins max.
to get to EMA, A1/M18/M1/A453, 75 mins min.
To get to DSA, A1/M18/Link Road, 40 mins min. Unless the roads have suddenly been upgraded, less than half the distance on motorway, A1 Doncaster bypass to Link road.

If you don't know why airlines don't use DSA, not enough people want to fly from there.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 21:35
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DavidShepherd - Good points and I agree entirely with you.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 21:51
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Originally Posted by GdLSF View Post
To get to DSA, A1/M18/Link Road, 40 mins min. Unless the roads have suddenly been upgraded, less than half the distance on motorway, A1 Doncaster bypass to Link road.
Fast dual carriageway, I'd say 30 mins can be done if roads are clear
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Barnstable View Post
Fast dual carriageway, I'd say 30 mins can be done if roads are clear
Google maps has WF9-DSA at 28 mins

Anywhere (in Yorkshire) North of a line drawn from Bridlington to Holmfith can do LBA quicker than DSA, but that also means anyone South of the same line can get to DSA quicker than LBA...by car of course.

Looking at population maps it's pretty much 50/50 Yorkshire population convenience for the two airports, and along that line (specifically Wakefield & York as higher population areas ) there's nothing more than 5-10minutes difference in journey time.

At the end of the day it's not journey time it's product availability, and LBA has more routes at greater frequency, so passenger movements will naturally go to the airport of greater choice, if not the most convenient. Those who dont see that choice in LBA or DSA will go to MAN or EMA or even BHX. LBA will still get the lions share of passengers of the two Yorkshire regional airports.
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 21:51
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 18:59
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G-FORZ... being one of those who live just above your Bridlington Holmfirth line I agree with what you say. We live in Scarborough and the A64 goes through to Leeds from there. I now avoid the Leeds ring road and go off at Tadcaster, through Boston Spa, via Harewood House and to Poole and then up to the airport. When we moved here from the Netherlands three years ago it was a 75-90 minute drive. It now takes 2 hours on a good day. We fly KLM and wouldn't dream of using MAN, the M62 is far too busy and the train which I used to use before moving is around three hours, with an hourly service and frequently crowded although this should change next year with new trains. Humberside is equidistant as is Durham Tees Valley but their fares are higher (oil/gas, etc. industry). LBA is good and could be better with improved road links, sorely needed just for the intra-Leeds traffic. The airfield IS in the wrong place for that reason and weather reasons but all in all if one accepts the difficulties, does the job... for us.
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Old 29th Jul 2017, 17:08
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Leeds Approach... your figures regarding catchment areas regarding NCL and LBA are pure garbage. If a wonderful new airport was built to serve the West Yorkshire catchment area and located anywhere east of Leeds, it would handle far less passengers than LBA does now! Why, because the catchment area would be less than LBAs is now - as western parts, (Bradford and beyond) would fall more within the influence of Manchester. Having worked at LBA for many years, it may surprise you to know that lots of passengers actually come from Lancashire! This is probably more so now with the closure of Blackpool. Look at a map, try seeing beyond your limited Leeds view of the world - you will see that places on the north side of Manchester, are actually within easy striking distance of LBA. I appreciate time travelling is important, but within a 10 mile radius of LBA there are 1 million people. Please advise which spot, anywhere east of Leeds you will find anything like such a catchment? You cannot, because none exist.
Your comparison with NCL is typically rubbish, as their nearest competing airport, is actually LBA - nearly 100 miles away. Whereas LBA has MAN and DSA on their doorstep. Which brings me neatly on to something you always ignore and that is 1st mover advantage. Even if the present crap airport, (yes I totally agree it is crap), had a long runway, a wonderful large terminal, it would still not meet peoples expectations (like yours), as it will always live in the shadow of Manchester, which is larger, has a bigger catchment and has 1st mover advantage.
Perhaps you remember the piss take of LBA by Alan Whicker decades ago, when the runway was still short, who famously said in a very sarcastic tone, that it only has one international carrier and that's Aer Lingus. Well, some things never change.
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Old 29th Jul 2017, 22:09
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galaxy68

I advise you to go back and read through his numerous posts and those of others and your quickly notice that's it's not a good idea to fuel this one man one agenda person.

Please for the sake of humanity:-)
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Old 29th Jul 2017, 23:40
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I post a message regards Loganair dropping the LBA-GLA route and its caused this to happen again!

How many times do we have to go over this? It's beyond the joke now.....
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Old 30th Jul 2017, 00:07
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How many times do we have to go over this? It's beyond the joke now.....
Lots ...
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 11:53
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Chris Sanders has today been appointed as the Aviation Development Director at LBA replacing Tony Hallwood. He follows in the foot steps of David Laws down the A1 from Newcastle whom became the airports new Chief Executive last month replacing John Parkin

http://www.leedsbradfordairport.co.u...701/010917.pdf
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