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capacity at LBA
LBIA--- I think there have been 18 departures in three hours on Sat mornings this summer, at a guess over 2k people airside at 7am. How close is that to capacity? I like LBA, they have done very well, but given the wave pattern Jet 2 and RYR and MON need I wonder if they are getting a bit close to the limit with the current layout.
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Capacity
LBA is very constrained on ramp space for based aircraft. By late evening all stands are occupied and live inbound flights are parked on taxiways where the pax are taken by bus to terminal. Once the morning wave are gone, these aircraft are then towed onto stand for the next wave, between ongoing departures.
Where can further growth realistically come from?
Where can further growth realistically come from?
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OK guys, now for reality. My box is getting filled with complaints about the snide, abuse and rubbish posts. I agree - there are some.
So, get back on topic and no more abuse, keep to the topic and stop throwing your toys out of the pram. Anymore and some of you will take a back seat for a while.
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So, get back on topic and no more abuse, keep to the topic and stop throwing your toys out of the pram. Anymore and some of you will take a back seat for a while.
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Thanks PPRuNe Pop.
Regarding growth in long haul verses runway length the latest long haul aircraft have a surprising runway performance. The 787 in particular and I suspect the A350 too would probably render a runway extension a waste of money. Bridgepoint have stated they are happy with the runway and infrastructure work will only be on the terminal. Sadly as previously stated parking is becomming a real issue and unless this is addressed growth will be severely restricted.
Regarding growth in long haul verses runway length the latest long haul aircraft have a surprising runway performance. The 787 in particular and I suspect the A350 too would probably render a runway extension a waste of money. Bridgepoint have stated they are happy with the runway and infrastructure work will only be on the terminal. Sadly as previously stated parking is becomming a real issue and unless this is addressed growth will be severely restricted.
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Agree about the runway. What about the taxiway at the SE end? Surely that must limit the departure rate and the combined departure/arrival rate which is relevant am on weekdays. Obviously that's not cheap though. As Yorkshire Pud says stand capacity must also be an issue.
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Leeds is a liitle constrained on future growth little more room to expand.
Unless they have plenty of slots left. Perhaps it needs to get some serious long haul in.
Emirates Dubai (A330). JFK they operate a 757 into Edi and Gla neiher with runways as long as Dsa though.
If road links could imorove there it should be developed as a regional Hub airport perhaps closing leeds by almagamating the two into that site.
Huge runway. Plenty of room for more terminals and plans for jetways.
Also got 24hr flight ops
Unless they have plenty of slots left. Perhaps it needs to get some serious long haul in.
Emirates Dubai (A330). JFK they operate a 757 into Edi and Gla neiher with runways as long as Dsa though.
If road links could imorove there it should be developed as a regional Hub airport perhaps closing leeds by almagamating the two into that site.
Huge runway. Plenty of room for more terminals and plans for jetways.
Also got 24hr flight ops
There is plenty to be done at Leeds to improve capacity and the passenger experience without the need for a runway extension.
The arrival of Ryanair and Monarch have proved Leeds is the airfield of choice for the region and no amount of beating on about runway lengths, newer facilities and pie in the sky road links are going to detract from that. By reposte, one could remind everyone of DSA's appalling road links and accessibility and the fact anything flying IFR into DSA, once leaving airways, is in the ever so secure environment of the open FIR.
How do you define the "regional hub" you mention? I am not sure of your meaning. Would you class Manchester as a regional "hub" and are you using the term differently to how one would describe British Airways' operation at LHR as a "hub?"
Pardon my ignorance, but can anyone shed any light on the airport's plans for increasing ramp space in general? I know there are works ongoing to increase terminal capacity, however if the airport are to attract any more volume then surely the apron capacity will need to be increased?
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Onlyxcrowle, it isn't exactly isolated, it serves a major conurbation which has a GDP larger than some European countries. The reason it has only recently taken off is mainly down to the change in ownership from the local authorities (whom appeared to often be seen to be working against it); to a private equity firm, who appear to be investing in not only a major overhaul of the facilities, but also into attracting new airlines who are also generating significant growth in passenger throughput.
To suggest that Bridgepoint should close LBA so that another private sector organisation can benefit is farcical. It was always the understanding that market forces should decide the future of airports in Yorkshire and the Humber, and they are working in favour of LBA. Ultimately it is the airlines that are free to choose where they operate from, and it would appear that LBA is their airport of choice.
To suggest that Bridgepoint should close LBA so that another private sector organisation can benefit is farcical. It was always the understanding that market forces should decide the future of airports in Yorkshire and the Humber, and they are working in favour of LBA. Ultimately it is the airlines that are free to choose where they operate from, and it would appear that LBA is their airport of choice.
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Agree with Pug. Plus--- there is plenty of room for terminal expansion at LBA. As usual money and minimising disruption while it's done will be the issues with that.
The way I see it, in the last five years the championship airports --- Bristol, EMA, Leeds, Liverpool, Soton, Newcastle not in any particular order-- have moved away from the next tier in the hierarchy. Not always at the same rate or for the same reasons or with the same business model but that's the way its gone. Obviously in Leeds's case the success of Jet 2 has been fundamental. Fourteen based, who would have thought it?
The way I see it, in the last five years the championship airports --- Bristol, EMA, Leeds, Liverpool, Soton, Newcastle not in any particular order-- have moved away from the next tier in the hierarchy. Not always at the same rate or for the same reasons or with the same business model but that's the way its gone. Obviously in Leeds's case the success of Jet 2 has been fundamental. Fourteen based, who would have thought it?
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Having worked at LBA past couple of years, the change over a short period of time is unbelieveable. Kudos to Bridgepoint for investing heavily and turning it from a run down shed to a decent regional airport.
working with wheelchair passengers get a lot of feedback regarding the new lay out and the accessibility. gate areas have been extended, plenty of seats about but obviously during the first "wave" of departures and the afternoon rush does get a bit snug at times!
All paths to and from the airport are still a problem, especially Yeadon/Rawdon way at some points of the day. Admit something needs doing there.
Expansion has been fantastic there though, i dont know whats next with regards to stand space, think jet2 and monarch normally kop for being parked on the taxiway up near the remote stands but havent done nights for a while so i stand corrected!
Flown from DSA a couple of years ago, by in large same as LBA with regards to getting there. Can see the potential there though for it to be a fantastic airport. People in the North *sorry if thats sterotyping just from personal experience, will travel great lengths when chosing an airport if the price is right. we have regulars from manchester,liverpool, newcastle, the midlands etc. So the likes of EMA,LPL,MAN,DSA,LBA,NCL,MME,BLK are all fighting for these passengers. if LBA wins them, good im kept in a job.
but the investment was necissary to keep up with the surrounding competition. seem to have been rewarded for all the investment a la Monarch, Thomson, BA and continued expansion by LS etc.
Sorry if im talking absolute crap but it's quite nice to see the airport doing alright for itself finally.
working with wheelchair passengers get a lot of feedback regarding the new lay out and the accessibility. gate areas have been extended, plenty of seats about but obviously during the first "wave" of departures and the afternoon rush does get a bit snug at times!
All paths to and from the airport are still a problem, especially Yeadon/Rawdon way at some points of the day. Admit something needs doing there.
Expansion has been fantastic there though, i dont know whats next with regards to stand space, think jet2 and monarch normally kop for being parked on the taxiway up near the remote stands but havent done nights for a while so i stand corrected!
Flown from DSA a couple of years ago, by in large same as LBA with regards to getting there. Can see the potential there though for it to be a fantastic airport. People in the North *sorry if thats sterotyping just from personal experience, will travel great lengths when chosing an airport if the price is right. we have regulars from manchester,liverpool, newcastle, the midlands etc. So the likes of EMA,LPL,MAN,DSA,LBA,NCL,MME,BLK are all fighting for these passengers. if LBA wins them, good im kept in a job.
but the investment was necissary to keep up with the surrounding competition. seem to have been rewarded for all the investment a la Monarch, Thomson, BA and continued expansion by LS etc.
Sorry if im talking absolute crap but it's quite nice to see the airport doing alright for itself finally.
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Sorry if im talking absolute crap but it's quite nice to see the airport doing alright for itself finally.
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I wasnt really meaning close the airport at all.
But what I said was that the site and layout being on top of a hill.and often clised must limit substantial expansion.
However DSA is like LBA was 30 odd years ago a small apron not much bigger than DSA is now.
It had opened again in the sixties and for years was way behind the other airports.
Wasnt MME busier back in 1978/80?
But DSA in context is in flat land its terminal has built in connections each side and cleared land to build terminal extensions.
Perhaps if they had more apron space it might help.
But the potential there should be looked at you see much fewer weather diversions.
Its had one major incident but beyond that and thankfully no real 'crash' situations.
When the lonk road is built and a business park on the doorstep things can only get better.
But what I said was that the site and layout being on top of a hill.and often clised must limit substantial expansion.
However DSA is like LBA was 30 odd years ago a small apron not much bigger than DSA is now.
It had opened again in the sixties and for years was way behind the other airports.
Wasnt MME busier back in 1978/80?
But DSA in context is in flat land its terminal has built in connections each side and cleared land to build terminal extensions.
Perhaps if they had more apron space it might help.
But the potential there should be looked at you see much fewer weather diversions.
Its had one major incident but beyond that and thankfully no real 'crash' situations.
When the lonk road is built and a business park on the doorstep things can only get better.
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Quote: “Whilst not wishing to dampen good news, the trend upwards does have a potential hurdle. BA are not getting fantastic loads on their LHR route and if the theory that it is only a slot sitter is true then, with all their new long haul aircraft being due shortly we may see a slow down or even a fall in pax numbers. I hope not but it's definitely a possibility.”
Quote: “LBA-LHR IS NOT A SLOT SITTER!!!
Rumor network fair enough. BA want LBA to be a success, but it's a case of use it or loose it.
Kind regards
aeulad”
This route is very unlikely to be a “slot-sitter”. Why have the extra expense of ground handling, etc., when “slot-sitting” can be achieved by adding frequencies on existing routes where these costs are already incurred.
It’s time to put this one to bed and not periodically reheat it.
By the way, does anyone know why pax off the LHR flights pass through the international arrivals section rather than domestic?
Quote: “LBA-LHR IS NOT A SLOT SITTER!!!
Rumor network fair enough. BA want LBA to be a success, but it's a case of use it or loose it.
Kind regards
aeulad”
This route is very unlikely to be a “slot-sitter”. Why have the extra expense of ground handling, etc., when “slot-sitting” can be achieved by adding frequencies on existing routes where these costs are already incurred.
It’s time to put this one to bed and not periodically reheat it.
By the way, does anyone know why pax off the LHR flights pass through the international arrivals section rather than domestic?
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Long haul expansion at LHR is ages away, the current B787s are replacing long haul B767s one for one and the A380s and B77Ws are allowing aged B744s to be retired ASAP.
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By the way, does anyone know why pax off the LHR flights pass through the international arrivals section rather than domestic?
