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Old 18th Nov 2013, 22:46
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So Klm are freeing up another Fokker 70.
Maybe at Dsa we need to ask nicely for then to let us have an Ams service .
That or wait till Dtv finishes.
That being said Klm talked about new routes and never got around this year what the other one was and they implied that they wanted a greater presence in the Uk Regions.
Question is which airports?.
And with the Fokker being phased out soon maybe with a few E190's might start to replace the 70's on current routes, Freeing up the 70's for the remaining Regionals.
Eg Iom Dsa Inv Ema Bhd Nqy.
Heres hoping....
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Old 19th Nov 2013, 23:06
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May I ask whatever happened to this 777 200ER from Pakistan International Airlines that Leeds were supposed to be graced with from last month? All seems to have gone quiet, I was looking forward to watching it try to take off from LBA on a hot summers day with no wind. Would definitely be something to see, unless they swap to the 777 200LR... That thing can move!
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 07:25
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EK77WNCL, rumour is that the route will be gone by the end of 2014, with the begining of the withdrawl of the A310s
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 12:08
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B777 at Leeds

EK77WNCL I think it would be more interesting to watch it landing on runway 14 with its landing distance of 1802 meters.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 14:14
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Leeds has already had a 772 on PK775/6. Unfortunately it operated from MAN Does that give you a clue?? PK will pull out when they retire the A310s and the Bradford community will end up trudging across the pennines once again.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 14:20
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Hooded, perhaps AirBlue would be tempted to use their A319/321 via Turkey?
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 17:50
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Graham. A nice thought but I won't be holding my breath. Would it work with a stopover? How about an Air Blue A340? Only joking. Shame no one has any 787s or A332s spare for the route. They would be ok from our concrete roller coaster.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 17:55
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Hooded, perhaps AirBlue would be tempted to use their A319/321 via Turkey?
Given the fact the BHX flights look like they haven't worked for Air Blue, it may put them off UK expansion for the time being.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 19:55
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LAX_LHR. They are/were competing with PK at BHX.

We are talking about someone doing the route after PIA pulls out of LBA.

They do seem to compete ok at MAN as far as I am aware or have they pulled out of there as well?
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 19:57
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Still going at MAN.

I am aware they were competing with PIA at BHX, but given its a larger market, I wonder if the fact a 2nd UK point hasn't worked for them may put them off looking elsewhere for now?
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 21:20
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Is leeds equipped to handle a fully loaded 777?
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 21:33
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LAX_LHR. I believe they were using an A340 out of BHX, which whilst able to go direct, is a lot of seats to sell when competing with an already established carrier using B77Ws.

Maybe an A319/320 ex LBA, after PIA leave, would be a better bet for them than competing out of MAN/BHX.

I have to say I don't think anyone is likely to pick up the route when/IF PIA pull out which would be a shame. After all PIA only came on the route after SHAHEEN showed them where a large part of their MAN pax were actually coming from! It's a real shame they were unable to extend the lease on their A310 as they were growing the route nicely.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 21:45
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Onyxcrowle. Put Simply NO! Runway constraints would severely limit load. It would depend on the aircraft and engines fitted. The higher thrust GEs PIA use would help but you are looking at the B772LR/ER to have a chance ex LBA. The 77W EK use up the road at Newcastle must be restricted there and they have a slightly longer flat and nearer to sea level runway.

Have a look at the Boeing required field length graphs for the 777 its an eye opener.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 23:11
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EK actually manage ok at NCL with the 77W, cargo is nearly always full and pax are averaging about 65% lf which is increasing quite quickly now. On the first flight for the 75th anniversary the aircraft had 419 passengers on and I think it had quite a bit of cargo and that was ok too. Fuel tanks will only be about 50% full if you think about it, that saves a couple of tons.

How about LS, LBA-ISB with a 767/A330
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 08:58
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From LBA website

SAS Launches New Direct Leeds Bradford to Copenhagen Route

Scandinavian Airlines is delighted to announce today (Thursday 21 November) that it is expanding its regional network and launching a new direct route from Leeds Bradford International Airport to Copenhagen, with operations scheduled to start 31st March 2014. The flights will operate two days a week Monday and Friday. Flight time to Copenhagen is just 1 hour 50 minutes, and prices start from 92 one-way including all taxes and charges.

Timetable starting 31st March 2014:

Monday

Leeds Bradford-Copenhagen: Departs 17:20 arrives 20:00
Copenhagen-Leeds Bradford: Departs 16:00 arrives 16:50

Friday

Leeds Bradford-Copenhagen: Departs 20:20 arrives 23:00
Copenhagen-Leeds Bradford: Departs 19:00 arrives 19:50


Edit: just browsing on the "other" forum. CRJ 900 to operate.

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Old 21st Nov 2013, 09:02
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LBA-CPH

The flight timings seem very strange to me.
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The flight timings seem very strange to me.
They are in local not UTC.

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Old 21st Nov 2013, 10:16
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They are in local not UTC.
Yes, I appreciate that but I was referring to Monday and Friday late evening / night flights.
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Originally Posted by HOODED:8164302
Onyxcrowle. Put Simply NO! Runway constraints would severely limit load. It would depend on the aircraft and engines fitted. The higher thrust GEs PIA use would help but you are looking at the B772LR/ER to have a chance ex LBA. The 77W EK use up the road at Newcastle must be restricted there and they have a slightly longer flat and nearer to sea level runway.

Have a look at the Boeing required field length graphs for the 777 its an eye opener.
Thank you for the response there Sir, Hoe long is the runway there at the moment . Someone implied it was only1800 feet but I thought it been extended plus theres a pretty well done photomontage of the whole new taxiways and the planned Runway.

Id be interested in knowing if Dsa ( dont shoot me for saying this just a genuine question) Could handle The fully loaded 777. There must be a fair few Asian users etc that dont use MAN and obviously leeds does ok with An A310. Is itna twice daily flight?.

Anyway was just wondering if somehow they decided to Use LBA given that its limitations mean when the A310 is gone. They can still offer flights from this side of the Penines and with Dsa being so well equipped is it a kind of outside chance and probably more likely of they want to prevent pax from going to MAN.
Or would airblue and a 320 make it work?. Just seems odd the service is under threat and Dsa is the only other Long Enough runway.
Finally did Shaheen airlines fly from Dsa in the end?.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:43
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"Hooded and onyxcrowle" I thought LBA was now able to accept and handle Boeing 777-200 aircraft, If advance notice is given?

Anyway not since the dramatic u-turn earlier in the year when it was officially announced that the 777 was coming has there been a plan by PIA to swap from the current Airbus 310 operation. Like everyone else says I tend to agree that the route will most likely be dropped when the A310 is eventually retired and passengers will once again be forced back over the M62 to Manchester.

"TSR2" It seems that the new Copenhagen route has identical evening flight schedule as both the current Newcastle and Humberside to Copenhagen routes do now.

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