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Like Many airlines bmibaby are having it tough and now with the parent company Lufthansa significantly committed with other projects it would seem logical that anything outside of the hub and spoke type operation would be disposed of. Heathrow is the only part of the bmi group that LH is interested in the long term.
I think that question is when rather than if baby will be sold and it has been debated at length on the forum. I did a little analysis and this is what I found;
Out of a total of 63 routes that Bmibaby will or have operated this year (includes winter summer etc)
41 of these have 1 competitor
11 of these have 2 competitors
8 of these routes have 3 or more competitors
11 routes they compete with Ryanair
3 routes hey compete with Jet2
12 routes they compete with Easyjet
10 routes they compete with Flybe
And the outlook;
Easyjet have long terms aspirations at Manchester, Are Jet 2 likely to expand even further there are a result of Ryanair going into Leeds with a base. Will Manchester numbers suffer due to volume of Ryanair flights going from the surrounding airports?
At Birmingham with Ryanair in there with a base it cant be easy for Baby as they compete on many routes and this can only intensify. Flybe will continue to grow with a unique offering of frequent flight on thin routes eg Glasgow Edinburgh baby already hurting ?
Cardiff seems to be quite small as a base, and is quite challenged by the strength of Bristol not to mention that Flybe may have longer terms plans for the airport.??
Finally, East Midlands the home of the bmi group, will this base be sustainable long term with Ryanair and Easyjet both serving the airport. With a growing Birmingham up the road?
It is hard to see who might want bmibaby, Ryanair, Easyjet, Flybe. Would Ryanair want to go back to Cardiff with 738s? Would they want to buy business at Birmingham or East Midlands? and would they sign up for a base at Manchester???
Easyjet might be a candidate but again given that they operate on many of the existing routes at the key bases would they see value in such a purchase.
Or Perhaps Flybe is the one?? Expansion at some existing bases, trim back at a few others?
Sorry this seems like a negative post but thats how I see it. Finally, does any one forsee that Belfast East Midlands will survive with Baby now that Ryanair is going to 3 rotations a day on BHD EMA???
I think that question is when rather than if baby will be sold and it has been debated at length on the forum. I did a little analysis and this is what I found;
Out of a total of 63 routes that Bmibaby will or have operated this year (includes winter summer etc)
41 of these have 1 competitor
11 of these have 2 competitors
8 of these routes have 3 or more competitors
11 routes they compete with Ryanair
3 routes hey compete with Jet2
12 routes they compete with Easyjet
10 routes they compete with Flybe
And the outlook;
Easyjet have long terms aspirations at Manchester, Are Jet 2 likely to expand even further there are a result of Ryanair going into Leeds with a base. Will Manchester numbers suffer due to volume of Ryanair flights going from the surrounding airports?
At Birmingham with Ryanair in there with a base it cant be easy for Baby as they compete on many routes and this can only intensify. Flybe will continue to grow with a unique offering of frequent flight on thin routes eg Glasgow Edinburgh baby already hurting ?
Cardiff seems to be quite small as a base, and is quite challenged by the strength of Bristol not to mention that Flybe may have longer terms plans for the airport.??
Finally, East Midlands the home of the bmi group, will this base be sustainable long term with Ryanair and Easyjet both serving the airport. With a growing Birmingham up the road?
It is hard to see who might want bmibaby, Ryanair, Easyjet, Flybe. Would Ryanair want to go back to Cardiff with 738s? Would they want to buy business at Birmingham or East Midlands? and would they sign up for a base at Manchester???
Easyjet might be a candidate but again given that they operate on many of the existing routes at the key bases would they see value in such a purchase.
Or Perhaps Flybe is the one?? Expansion at some existing bases, trim back at a few others?
Sorry this seems like a negative post but thats how I see it. Finally, does any one forsee that Belfast East Midlands will survive with Baby now that Ryanair is going to 3 rotations a day on BHD EMA???
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Baby sees itself less dead in the water more in a holding pattern running the QRH hoping to stay alive until they can work out how to !
Na lad thee as it all wrong,
First off there are more than 3 aircraft(due) to go back in the 1st half of 2010 (twice as many)
Second If you think they can launch a flying program (2010) with LH all over them just as a fishing trip your having a laugh, not sure what you'll make of the new routes for both this winter (yet to be announced) and 4+ new MED routes for 2010
Non of which means it might not be sold/merged and so on
Na lad thee as it all wrong,
First off there are more than 3 aircraft(due) to go back in the 1st half of 2010 (twice as many)
Second If you think they can launch a flying program (2010) with LH all over them just as a fishing trip your having a laugh, not sure what you'll make of the new routes for both this winter (yet to be announced) and 4+ new MED routes for 2010
Non of which means it might not be sold/merged and so on
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I can understand that and its not just in baby or bmi either!!
September should (hopefully) bring much needed clarification of the future direction of the various elements of the group mainline/baby/regional/cargo/engineering
Its only a few days to September and the Sun is out on a bank holiday week end and i've got it off so it doesn't seem all bad with the world
September should (hopefully) bring much needed clarification of the future direction of the various elements of the group mainline/baby/regional/cargo/engineering
Its only a few days to September and the Sun is out on a bank holiday week end and i've got it off so it doesn't seem all bad with the world
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I understand to a point the logic behind what you have stated as desparate times need desparate measures and it is jobs at risk but
would this the right way to go about it?
As it stands the baby June schedule requires 19 aircraft and if there
is no intention of increasing the fleet, I just can't understand how
these flights were released at the times stated unless LH have
authorised it or a couple of the domestics are changing to BMIR.
I would not be happy if I had booked my summer 2010 holiday but
without me knowing that there was a good chance that the flight
is likely to be re-timed or cancelled due to some brinkmanship going
on behind the scenes.
To Inkjet or CV - are they 500's or 300's the ones where the leases
are up next year?
aidoair
I flew baby flight only last year BHX-PMI and was amazed as over
half the flight seemed to have Thomas Cook baggage labels.
Pete
I understand to a point the logic behind what you have stated as desparate times need desparate measures and it is jobs at risk but
would this the right way to go about it?
As it stands the baby June schedule requires 19 aircraft and if there
is no intention of increasing the fleet, I just can't understand how
these flights were released at the times stated unless LH have
authorised it or a couple of the domestics are changing to BMIR.
I would not be happy if I had booked my summer 2010 holiday but
without me knowing that there was a good chance that the flight
is likely to be re-timed or cancelled due to some brinkmanship going
on behind the scenes.
To Inkjet or CV - are they 500's or 300's the ones where the leases
are up next year?
aidoair
I flew baby flight only last year BHX-PMI and was amazed as over
half the flight seemed to have Thomas Cook baggage labels.
Pete
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19 Aircraft
Could it be that bmibaby may use a couple of A319s - A321s from mainline like they did last summer. If bookings and load factos from this summer are anything to go by, at least on the sun routes then i can see it being an option. One of the reasons why they never did this, this season was because of a predicted lack of bookings to these destinations. Well bmibaby among most other UK airlines have been proven wrong and the flights have been almost as popular as ever, hence they increased to two daily during the peak months to AGP, PMI and even FAO.
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If you look at it through rose tinted glass half full spectacles then yes there is potential to use mainline aircraft next summer should the schedule and bookings demand it. Like everyone else I don't know how strong the bookings are for next summer at this stage and that will play a huge part in the decisions to be made. So provided there are no more fleet reductions or redundancies at baby (not out of the question - check the £170m predicted loss!) mainline aircraft could join the fleet.
The real problem is that aircraft utilisation this year is below LCC requirements with the med heavy schedule. Couple that with increasing fuel price and low yield market place things don't look that rosy going forward no matter what the outlook in the papers is. Unemployment is still rising, there is a general tightening of belts so those that aren't staycationing in the rain are only flying when the flights are very very cheap. So busy flights don't equal profit. Hard winter ahead for everyone in aviation if the banks stay closed.
The real problem is that aircraft utilisation this year is below LCC requirements with the med heavy schedule. Couple that with increasing fuel price and low yield market place things don't look that rosy going forward no matter what the outlook in the papers is. Unemployment is still rising, there is a general tightening of belts so those that aren't staycationing in the rain are only flying when the flights are very very cheap. So busy flights don't equal profit. Hard winter ahead for everyone in aviation if the banks stay closed.
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baby bin credit & debit card charges
Just had a e-mail from baby to say that there are no credit card or debit card charges for bookings in the next 7 days, more importantly they seem to have opened up a new front with EZY & FR on ski routes with skis or snowboards going for free ie no sports goods charges, this also applies to Malaga for the Sierra Nevada ski area, how long before people start packing their clothes in ski bags for Summer holidays???
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"easyJet cuts East Mids flights, but we're here to stay, baby!"
We're staying put, baby!
easyJet withdraw flights from East Midlands Airport but we're here to stay.
Today, easyJet has announced that it will soon be withdrawing all flights from East Midlands Airport, but we want to reassure our customers that we are here to stay!
In fact here at bmibaby HQ we are actually adding extra flights within the next 48 hours across our destinations from East Midlands Airport to help passengers in the region who might be affected by easyJet's departure.
So don't worry about your next holiday, in fact this week's offer where you pay no credit or debit card charges on any flight means now is a great time to book!
Press release http://links.bmibabyemail.com/ctt?kn=6&m=33985533&r=MjgxMzc1NDgyMQS2&b=2&j=NTc1MzE2MzMS1&m t=1&rt=0
easyJet withdraw flights from East Midlands Airport but we're here to stay.
Today, easyJet has announced that it will soon be withdrawing all flights from East Midlands Airport, but we want to reassure our customers that we are here to stay!
In fact here at bmibaby HQ we are actually adding extra flights within the next 48 hours across our destinations from East Midlands Airport to help passengers in the region who might be affected by easyJet's departure.
So don't worry about your next holiday, in fact this week's offer where you pay no credit or debit card charges on any flight means now is a great time to book!
Press release http://links.bmibabyemail.com/ctt?kn=6&m=33985533&r=MjgxMzc1NDgyMQS2&b=2&j=NTc1MzE2MzMS1&m t=1&rt=0
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Well September 09 will i suspect go down as a turning point in the fortunes of bmibaby, Tiny has a real spring in its step just now and whilst the loss of Easy at EMA is a sad day for all it should be a warning for not just the airports but also the Goverment that they are pratting with the most mobile of job creators in their short sighted enviromental tax policies, it matters not whether the aircraft are based here or in Malaga from an airlines point of view, but guess what? which country gets the taxes and employment APD aside!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Nulabour are muppets and Camroooon is a Puppet
One has to ask what keeps us here? its not the surf or the weather
One has to ask what keeps us here? its not the surf or the weather
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NEW ROUTES - 3 EXTRA AIRCRAFT - 2872 extra flights next year - 350,000 extra pax
bmibaby have announced new routes to
Sardinia,
Barcelona,
Corsica,
Cork,
Croatia,
Malta,
Newquay
Venice
Basing an extra 3 aircraft at EMA, flights start between December and May bringing their total aircraft number to 8 by May 2010, flights on sale on Wednesday 9th September
As well as extra flights to popular destinations such as
Malaga
Palma
Alicante
Faro
Prague
Nice
All bookable by tomorrow, so will know exactly how many extra flights then
Sardinia,
Barcelona,
Corsica,
Cork,
Croatia,
Malta,
Newquay
Venice
Basing an extra 3 aircraft at EMA, flights start between December and May bringing their total aircraft number to 8 by May 2010, flights on sale on Wednesday 9th September
As well as extra flights to popular destinations such as
Malaga
Palma
Alicante
Faro
Prague
Nice
All bookable by tomorrow, so will know exactly how many extra flights then
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This is absolutely great news and i for one am really pleased!!!
However not to be too negative, hopefully this increase here at EMA won't see too much of a reduction at any of their other bases.
Again well done baby!!!
However not to be too negative, hopefully this increase here at EMA won't see too much of a reduction at any of their other bases.
Again well done baby!!!
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Something also tells me that Baby dont want to expand at CWL....been waiting for a 4th based aircraft for ages!
The taffys continue to cross the bridge to BRS to reach some of the destinations Baby are announcing at EMA!
The taffys continue to cross the bridge to BRS to reach some of the destinations Baby are announcing at EMA!
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Ryanair must be a little peed off by Malta, I know this has been on Ryanair's cards for some time and was possibly finally going to be announced for S10... ha, but you never know, its possible they will run the route too! I do hope Ryanair base a 7th aircraft here next summer, but now with a extra 3 aircraft from WW and a B752 from LS, we are still a B752 up really, on this year, so fantastic news for EMA and WW I just hope it stays this way, as when they started they had 7/8 aircraft here, and it never lasted
I just hope it stays this way, as when they started they had 7/8 aircraft here, and it never lasted
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I wonder if these extra aircraft are going to be leased or are coming from LH? If they are coming from LH then possibility of an extra aircraft at CWL?
This is obviously and instant reaction from Eazy pulling out of EMA and possibly expansion at other bases?
This is obviously and instant reaction from Eazy pulling out of EMA and possibly expansion at other bases?
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Valencia is possible from MAN, and im thinking there will need to be another aircraft there, I don't think there will be any extra aircraft needed full time at BHX, but who knows, CWL might also get an extra aircraft, I do doubt it though, WW are already trying to take on FR at EMA and EZY and LS at MAN, I don't think they want to also do it at CWL with FR and EZY as BRS