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Wee Willie -
What a pile of utter tosh your post is, ever fancied a job with the Daily Record? You shouldn't listen to idle chat from hosties - nice as they are.
FC wasn't hit by the GPU, but rather the lecy tug pulling it - only one real winner there!! The damage extends to a 2.5' x 2" gash just below door 1R. He'd clipped, and I mean no more than clipped the edge of a stringer which is the really bad news with the remainder of the damage being to the skin!
I have a picture somewhere - will post later.
I just hope we/Alba are insured properly! Not only does the damage have to paid for, but the ferry flights and consequential loss of not being able to use FC will be very costly and that's where the insurance will most likely lack!
What a pile of utter tosh your post is, ever fancied a job with the Daily Record? You shouldn't listen to idle chat from hosties - nice as they are.
FC wasn't hit by the GPU, but rather the lecy tug pulling it - only one real winner there!! The damage extends to a 2.5' x 2" gash just below door 1R. He'd clipped, and I mean no more than clipped the edge of a stringer which is the really bad news with the remainder of the damage being to the skin!
I have a picture somewhere - will post later.
I just hope we/Alba are insured properly! Not only does the damage have to paid for, but the ferry flights and consequential loss of not being able to use FC will be very costly and that's where the insurance will most likely lack!
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From recent experience last year of such an incident, I think it goes like this. The handler only has insurance up to a certain figure. The airlines accept this as otherwise the handling fees would be more. So if the costs come to more, it is uninsured. The handler is not liable, even if plainly it was negligence on the part of the staff. The airlines accepts in its contract with the handler that above the insured figure it carries the can itself. One of our planes was severely damaged in an appalling towing incident. The damage was extensive right back to the forward hold. It took 24 Boeing staff 10 days to repair in round the clock shifts. I believe the handler walked away from it.
The ground accident record at airports is stunning. That is where aeroplanes get hammered. Watching some of the groundstaff at work is excrutiating.
The ground accident record at airports is stunning. That is where aeroplanes get hammered. Watching some of the groundstaff at work is excrutiating.
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Rainboe, it all depends on the airport your at
Madrid
Have a look at some of the ramp cars that are undriveable after ramp bumps, some are worse than i have seen on motorway pile ups
Amsterdam
Very well sorted crews, i have only ever seen on event and that was a tug & 744 when pushing on a slippery ramp (Tug jack knifed under 744)
East midlands
Some of the ramp rats drive like there on a night out in their Corsa's or Saxo's i have seen them reverse towbars over other towbars and just stand around laughing
Glasgow
No risk, nothing moves quick at Glasgow
Paris
Lots of space, but 60 on the ramp is no problem.
Poland
Good mature crews that care about what they are doing
AGP & ALC
Best just close your eyes and hope to get out alive
The problem is that in some countries it is a respected and well paid job, in the UK its not well paid and many only accept it because they will have their benifits stopped if don't take the job, but know they'll get sacked in a few weeks for being stupid, the stupid one's though are the airlines because they (or their insurers) end up picking up the tab, if the paid a minimum of £10-£12 p/hour they would have people queing at the doors and could pick and choose, can you imagine what sort of pilots we would have if we paid £6.00 an hour?? yet the ramp rats can and do far more damge to aircraft every day, its madness
Have a look at some of the ramp cars that are undriveable after ramp bumps, some are worse than i have seen on motorway pile ups
Amsterdam
Very well sorted crews, i have only ever seen on event and that was a tug & 744 when pushing on a slippery ramp (Tug jack knifed under 744)
East midlands
Some of the ramp rats drive like there on a night out in their Corsa's or Saxo's i have seen them reverse towbars over other towbars and just stand around laughing
Glasgow
No risk, nothing moves quick at Glasgow
Paris
Lots of space, but 60 on the ramp is no problem.
Poland
Good mature crews that care about what they are doing
AGP & ALC
Best just close your eyes and hope to get out alive
The problem is that in some countries it is a respected and well paid job, in the UK its not well paid and many only accept it because they will have their benifits stopped if don't take the job, but know they'll get sacked in a few weeks for being stupid, the stupid one's though are the airlines because they (or their insurers) end up picking up the tab, if the paid a minimum of £10-£12 p/hour they would have people queing at the doors and could pick and choose, can you imagine what sort of pilots we would have if we paid £6.00 an hour?? yet the ramp rats can and do far more damge to aircraft every day, its madness
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The problem is that in some countries it is a respected and well paid job, in the UK its not well paid and many only accept it because they will have their benifits stopped if don't take the job, but know they'll get sacked in a few weeks for being stupid, the stupid one's though are the airlines because they (or their insurers) end up picking up the tab, if the paid a minimum of £10-£12 p/hour they would have people queing at the doors and could pick and choose, can you imagine what sort of pilots we would have if we paid £6.00 an hour?? yet the ramp rats can and do far more damge to aircraft every day
AGREE 100% But the older ground handling companies have let prices fall so low the airlines lap it up and will never change in the uk. in fact it will get worse.
Gerry watch out GSM will take your insurance company for every penny
and they will leave you to foot the bill (joint venture) watch them hide and blame, they have done it with every handler and JV or not you will get the blame. not your stupid staff member.
watch your back.
AGREE 100% But the older ground handling companies have let prices fall so low the airlines lap it up and will never change in the uk. in fact it will get worse.
Gerry watch out GSM will take your insurance company for every penny
and they will leave you to foot the bill (joint venture) watch them hide and blame, they have done it with every handler and JV or not you will get the blame. not your stupid staff member.
watch your back.
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From the Edinburgh Evening News
Sky-high cost of damages as baggage truck hits aeroplane - Edinburgh Evening News
Sky-high cost of damages as baggage truck hits aeroplane - Edinburgh Evening News
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Looks as if GSM might b the only low cost operator from the UK soon not looking good over at Zoom!
Anybody know how GSM are coping financially at the moment?
Wouldn't like one day they're fine then the next there calling in the administartor!
YHM S09 on sale! Not sure if this is the full schedule
LGW 1x weekly TUE
GLA 1x Weekly SAT
EDI 1x weekly FRI
BFS 1x weekly MON
DUB 2x weekly wasn't expecting that. SUN, WED
MAN 1x weekly THUR
BRS Not released or Axed!
Pretty surprised at GLA, LGW thought they would be 2x weekly Still take it there will be no new 752.
Nothing on MME.
YVR, YYC still not released
Anybody know how GSM are coping financially at the moment?
Wouldn't like one day they're fine then the next there calling in the administartor!
YHM S09 on sale! Not sure if this is the full schedule
LGW 1x weekly TUE
GLA 1x Weekly SAT
EDI 1x weekly FRI
BFS 1x weekly MON
DUB 2x weekly wasn't expecting that. SUN, WED
MAN 1x weekly THUR
BRS Not released or Axed!
Pretty surprised at GLA, LGW thought they would be 2x weekly Still take it there will be no new 752.
Nothing on MME.
YVR, YYC still not released
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South Atlantic
I would suggest the issues about the schedule are that they are re-planning now they have a B767 commited to the South Atlantic for two years and possibly four.
Hydrocarbons Daily Record (21/06/06) - Falkland Islands News
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Well thats ZOOM now declared themselves bankrupt never realised they were in such a position, no warning signs nothing, they were expanding well.
Flyglobespan is now the only UK airline that i can think of that claims to be a low fares airline across the atlantic. Though thats also the slightly worrying thing it doesn't seem to be a system that works very well.
Think Flyglobespan will help those passengers left stranded by them?
Flyglobespan is now the only UK airline that i can think of that claims to be a low fares airline across the atlantic. Though thats also the slightly worrying thing it doesn't seem to be a system that works very well.
Think Flyglobespan will help those passengers left stranded by them?
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It had been rumoured for at least a couple of months that Zoom were in a difficult financial position. Not a surprise really.
I wonder whether GSM might look to pick up the pieces.....
I wonder whether GSM might look to pick up the pieces.....
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Unless ofcoursse TD and the Boyle brothers come to anagreement to merge zoom to GSM which would either work out great or be a big mistake.
Looks as if at the moment its the YHM programme thats taken the biggest cut.
YYC,YVR Released!
MAN 2x weekly to vancouver 1x weekly calgary
GLA 2x weekly to both
DUB 1x weekly to both
LGW not released or axed
Still only operating 4 months of the year!
Maybe GSM will make a move on Zoom's 752 i mean its sitting right there in GLA
Looks as if at the moment its the YHM programme thats taken the biggest cut.
YYC,YVR Released!
MAN 2x weekly to vancouver 1x weekly calgary
GLA 2x weekly to both
DUB 1x weekly to both
LGW not released or axed
Still only operating 4 months of the year!
Maybe GSM will make a move on Zoom's 752 i mean its sitting right there in GLA
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And if a well run outfit like Zoom falls what on Earth makes you think a cowboy outfit like flyglobespan won't? Alas the Air India contract may yet be the saving of them.
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Just noticed the sanford flight hasnt left glasgow yet, things seemed to be looking up apart from last weekend, looks like things are going back to how they were April May time. We rebooked for next May hoping things would improve delay wise, looks like this isnt going to happen!!!!
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I think the ZOOM collapse is bad news for flyglobespan and not good news as another poster has said in that GSM can pick up customers from the now defunct zoom.
If I were to book a flight to Canada/US right now, I'd definately go with a legacy carrier. I wouldn't want to take the risk of GSM going bust and me being stranded and having to stump up extra cash to get home.
If I were to book a flight to Canada/US right now, I'd definately go with a legacy carrier. I wouldn't want to take the risk of GSM going bust and me being stranded and having to stump up extra cash to get home.
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Being a legacy carrier is no guarantee of survival either though. Look at the recent news re Alitalia (albeit a long time in the making) & look what happened with Sabena.
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FlyGlobespan also have some lucrative Ad Hoc contracts which keeps the cash rolling in even when the passenger bookings are driving some airlines to the wall, in addition to 'Global Travel' which brings in a hell a lot of revenue from travellers from 'North of the Border'.
I think a lot of people from outside Scotland don't realise how big Global Travel/FlyGlobespan is.
FlyGlobespan also have some lucrative Ad Hoc contracts which keeps the cash rolling in even when the passenger bookings are driving some airlines to the wall, in addition to 'Global Travel' which brings in a hell a lot of revenue from travellers from 'North of the Border'.
I think a lot of people from outside Scotland don't realise how big Global Travel/FlyGlobespan is.
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GSM at MME
The GSM fleet for Summer 09 is 3 x 767, 1 x 757, 2 x 737-700 and 5 x 737-800
So far there timetable requires
1 x 737 for ABZ
3 x 737 for EDI
3 x 737 for GLA and 1 x 767 for GLA and BFS to SFB
1 x 767 for YYC and YVR services
1 x 767 for MOD services
This means that all the aircraft are being fully utilised.
Meaning no spare aircraft to operate any MME services.
Have noticed other bases have almost full timetables and there is nothing for MME. Also the current Winter 08/09 timetable finishes Sunday 11th Jan. If GSM where staying at MME TFS inparticular would be continuing until Summer timetable. Also 11th Jan gives GSM 4 to 6 weeks to prepare the 733 for it's exit from service.
Looks like GSM are pulling out of MME. Anyone able to confirm this or are
they looking at getting another 737NG for Summer 09
So far there timetable requires
1 x 737 for ABZ
3 x 737 for EDI
3 x 737 for GLA and 1 x 767 for GLA and BFS to SFB
1 x 767 for YYC and YVR services
1 x 767 for MOD services
This means that all the aircraft are being fully utilised.
Meaning no spare aircraft to operate any MME services.
Have noticed other bases have almost full timetables and there is nothing for MME. Also the current Winter 08/09 timetable finishes Sunday 11th Jan. If GSM where staying at MME TFS inparticular would be continuing until Summer timetable. Also 11th Jan gives GSM 4 to 6 weeks to prepare the 733 for it's exit from service.
Looks like GSM are pulling out of MME. Anyone able to confirm this or are
they looking at getting another 737NG for Summer 09