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I suggest anyone with an interest in Manston's future get hold of a copy of the latest issue of Private Eye (No 1404) and read the item on P18 headed WELLS HUNG within the Rotten Boroughs section.
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RiverOak CPO Professional Team
RiverOak Investments has assembled a comprehensive team of experts in the CPO field including legal, evaluation, planning and due diligence experts among others.
Below you can find biographies of key members of the team.
CPO Professional Team - RiverOak Investments Corp
RiverOak Investments has assembled a comprehensive team of experts in the CPO field including legal, evaluation, planning and due diligence experts among others.
Below you can find biographies of key members of the team.
CPO Professional Team - RiverOak Investments Corp
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Do they have money ?
Don't forget they already have nearly £2m in place waiting for TDC, for the CPO process, and have spent over £1m so far.
Backed by a first rank of guys with £10s million in their back pockets - TDC Leader Chris Wells has met some of them - and a second rank of top flight firms with £10s billions equity.
How about Orix Aviation for a start :
Home*Orix Aviation
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RiverOak Investments has assembled a comprehensive team of experts in the CPO field including legal, evaluation, planning and due diligence experts among others.
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RiverOak return batting for Manston - and will be using a Development Consent Order (DCO) process as the means they will use.
1) Manston Airport – MP Welcomes RiverOak initiative.
North Thanet`s MP, Sir Roger Gale, has today (Friday 18th December) welcomed the announcement that the RiverOak Corporation of America is applying to acquire and operate Manston Airport through a Development Consent Order (DCO).
Following RiverOak`s statement
RiverOak to use DCO process in respect of Manston Airport - RiverOak Investments Corp
Sir Roger has said:
“The Company has instigated the DCO process by notifying the Inspectorate of intention to proceed. If the application is granted, as it properly must be, then this will remove the future of Manston from the control of Thanet District Council while facilitating the full public consultation process and examination of the Company`s credentials and resources that they have been seeking for so long.
RiverOak have secured the services of Messrs Bircham Dyson Bell, one of the country`s leading practitioners in this field, to take the application and hearings through to a positive conclusion. I understand that Bircham Dyson Bell have already conducted more successful DCO bids than any other legal practice, and given their expertise and reputation for meticulous attention to process and detail, I would hope and expect that this may resolve the future of Manston, as an airport operating in the national interest, fully and finally.
The procedure will take time but, in competent hands and given a fair wind, there is the real possibility of planes flying from Manston again by the early part of 2017.”
Commenting on the “Why not before now” question, Sir Roger has added:
“RiverOak have sought, over very many months, to work with Thanet District Council, to enter into an indemnity agreement and to allow TDC to initiate a Compulsory Purchase Order. The recent and final rejection of this course of action by the Leader of TDC, Cllr. Wells, has released the Company from any implied sense of obligation and left the field free for the DCO application to be lodged and processed. Has it cost time? Yes, of course, but I applaud RiverOak`s integrity and determination to stick with the project in spite of TDC`s intransigence and I believe that the company does have the resources and the willpower and now the expertise to deliver. I hope that RiverOak will be allowed to succeed where Thanet Council has failed.” (ENDS)
Contact - Roger Gale 07900 905532 or 07623 978479 (Pager)
It is ... RiverOak’s intention to apply for a comprehensive DCO encompassing the compulsory purchase of the airport and the planning permissions required for the reinstatement of Manston as a specialised aviation agglomeration centre offering the following facilities and services:
• a major international centre for air freight,
• a reliever for the major airports of London,
• an extensive aircraft recycling and engineering facility,
• a base for at least one passenger carrier,
• a flight training school,
• a fixed base operation for executive travel.
RiverOak has appointed the award-winning Bircham Dyson Bell to act as its solicitors
https://www.bdb-law.co.uk/
UK government guidance on DCO process:
Guidance | National Infrastructure Planning
Lots here. But in a nutshell the process is between the Riveroak and the Government. And compulsory purchase powers can be part of the DCO.
Included in the planning process process will be a new Passenger Terminal, realigning Aprons and Taxiways.
Of course part of the process will be a proper consultation with the people of Thanet, in which SMA will have a part to play.
The whole DCO process is likely to take 18 months, but at the end we should have a viable and working Manston Airport.
With a good home for TG Aviation at last, again. And of course the two museums.
1) Manston Airport – MP Welcomes RiverOak initiative.
North Thanet`s MP, Sir Roger Gale, has today (Friday 18th December) welcomed the announcement that the RiverOak Corporation of America is applying to acquire and operate Manston Airport through a Development Consent Order (DCO).
Following RiverOak`s statement
RiverOak to use DCO process in respect of Manston Airport - RiverOak Investments Corp
Sir Roger has said:
“The Company has instigated the DCO process by notifying the Inspectorate of intention to proceed. If the application is granted, as it properly must be, then this will remove the future of Manston from the control of Thanet District Council while facilitating the full public consultation process and examination of the Company`s credentials and resources that they have been seeking for so long.
RiverOak have secured the services of Messrs Bircham Dyson Bell, one of the country`s leading practitioners in this field, to take the application and hearings through to a positive conclusion. I understand that Bircham Dyson Bell have already conducted more successful DCO bids than any other legal practice, and given their expertise and reputation for meticulous attention to process and detail, I would hope and expect that this may resolve the future of Manston, as an airport operating in the national interest, fully and finally.
The procedure will take time but, in competent hands and given a fair wind, there is the real possibility of planes flying from Manston again by the early part of 2017.”
Commenting on the “Why not before now” question, Sir Roger has added:
“RiverOak have sought, over very many months, to work with Thanet District Council, to enter into an indemnity agreement and to allow TDC to initiate a Compulsory Purchase Order. The recent and final rejection of this course of action by the Leader of TDC, Cllr. Wells, has released the Company from any implied sense of obligation and left the field free for the DCO application to be lodged and processed. Has it cost time? Yes, of course, but I applaud RiverOak`s integrity and determination to stick with the project in spite of TDC`s intransigence and I believe that the company does have the resources and the willpower and now the expertise to deliver. I hope that RiverOak will be allowed to succeed where Thanet Council has failed.” (ENDS)
Contact - Roger Gale 07900 905532 or 07623 978479 (Pager)
It is ... RiverOak’s intention to apply for a comprehensive DCO encompassing the compulsory purchase of the airport and the planning permissions required for the reinstatement of Manston as a specialised aviation agglomeration centre offering the following facilities and services:
• a major international centre for air freight,
• a reliever for the major airports of London,
• an extensive aircraft recycling and engineering facility,
• a base for at least one passenger carrier,
• a flight training school,
• a fixed base operation for executive travel.
RiverOak has appointed the award-winning Bircham Dyson Bell to act as its solicitors
https://www.bdb-law.co.uk/
UK government guidance on DCO process:
Guidance | National Infrastructure Planning
Lots here. But in a nutshell the process is between the Riveroak and the Government. And compulsory purchase powers can be part of the DCO.
Included in the planning process process will be a new Passenger Terminal, realigning Aprons and Taxiways.
Of course part of the process will be a proper consultation with the people of Thanet, in which SMA will have a part to play.
The whole DCO process is likely to take 18 months, but at the end we should have a viable and working Manston Airport.
With a good home for TG Aviation at last, again. And of course the two museums.
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Having digested this thread, I feel I want to throw in my own 2p for what it's worth, focusing on "RiverOaks Intentions....". What I want to say first and foremost is that I am not against Manston re-opening as an airport, as none of us who frequent these forums, who are truly passionate about aviation want to see an aviation asset close. However, I do have some concerns over what RiverOak believe about what they want to do, and what the market has to offer, as well as rivals in the field.
RiverOak see Manston as a major international port for air freight. Manston has done this in the past, and did so with a modicum of success, for which I congratulate them. However, does it still have that capability? I afraid I don't believe it does. Whilst RiverOak may state it is willing to invest in the airport, is it really prepared to spend £1m on an ILS, £1-2m on Fire Applicances, £2m on ground handling equipment, £2m on snow clearing equipment? This all before we count staff costs or the lead times between investment and the first tyres hitting the runway.
Let us look around to see what other airports are available, principally STN. STN already has a thriving freight operation, FedEx, UPS, TNT, Royal Mail etc. etc. It has the infrastructure and equipment today to support Code F operations. If I was a carrier, I would know where I would go. Others may say that you don't need snow clearing equipment or as many fire appliances. But again, where is your biggest operational risk? After all, an airline needs to know it can run its business efficiently and deliver on its own contracts without being penalised. I won't even touch on night flights!
A reliever for the major airports of London? Or a base for at least one passenger carrier? Let's look at all the other airports in and around London; SEN, STN, LGW, LHR, LCY. Perhaps further afield with places like BHX or EMA, which with improved public transport links would have a net gain for far more than the catchment area around MSE. Are we really saying that there is zero spare capacity among all these existing airports?
An FBO for Excutive Travel? There are already a number of FBOs at existing London airports which serve a range of market types, as well as airports who exist mostly to serve this market e.g. Biggin Hill, Northolt, Oxford. Executive travellers pay to get as close as possible to their final destination, and often have preferred destinations to fly to. Is their enough slack in the executive travel markets to facilitate another FBO?
Yes, there is a market for recycling aircraft and flight training. But aircraft do not land everyday to be recycled, and even the GA market is competitive. For example, you would need to charge a lot of £8 landing fees or a few £50 ones to start to see some return on investment!
Whilst I would love to see a new Terminal built, it is an awful lot of investment for what could be little reward. One only has to look at SEN, which has seen a downturn in numbers because of its principal operator reducing the number of operations per week, all revenue needed to balance the books. RiverOak is after all not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. Re-aliging aprons? £1m is the going rate for a 747 stand......
Those who want to see Manston re-open, and are working hard to achieve this, you have my admiration. But in reality, I don't see this happening. Manston will always be the airport that closed, it is a tarnished brand, something that will take time and money to shake off. Something I fear it does not have.
RiverOak see Manston as a major international port for air freight. Manston has done this in the past, and did so with a modicum of success, for which I congratulate them. However, does it still have that capability? I afraid I don't believe it does. Whilst RiverOak may state it is willing to invest in the airport, is it really prepared to spend £1m on an ILS, £1-2m on Fire Applicances, £2m on ground handling equipment, £2m on snow clearing equipment? This all before we count staff costs or the lead times between investment and the first tyres hitting the runway.
Let us look around to see what other airports are available, principally STN. STN already has a thriving freight operation, FedEx, UPS, TNT, Royal Mail etc. etc. It has the infrastructure and equipment today to support Code F operations. If I was a carrier, I would know where I would go. Others may say that you don't need snow clearing equipment or as many fire appliances. But again, where is your biggest operational risk? After all, an airline needs to know it can run its business efficiently and deliver on its own contracts without being penalised. I won't even touch on night flights!
A reliever for the major airports of London? Or a base for at least one passenger carrier? Let's look at all the other airports in and around London; SEN, STN, LGW, LHR, LCY. Perhaps further afield with places like BHX or EMA, which with improved public transport links would have a net gain for far more than the catchment area around MSE. Are we really saying that there is zero spare capacity among all these existing airports?
An FBO for Excutive Travel? There are already a number of FBOs at existing London airports which serve a range of market types, as well as airports who exist mostly to serve this market e.g. Biggin Hill, Northolt, Oxford. Executive travellers pay to get as close as possible to their final destination, and often have preferred destinations to fly to. Is their enough slack in the executive travel markets to facilitate another FBO?
Yes, there is a market for recycling aircraft and flight training. But aircraft do not land everyday to be recycled, and even the GA market is competitive. For example, you would need to charge a lot of £8 landing fees or a few £50 ones to start to see some return on investment!
Whilst I would love to see a new Terminal built, it is an awful lot of investment for what could be little reward. One only has to look at SEN, which has seen a downturn in numbers because of its principal operator reducing the number of operations per week, all revenue needed to balance the books. RiverOak is after all not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. Re-aliging aprons? £1m is the going rate for a 747 stand......
Those who want to see Manston re-open, and are working hard to achieve this, you have my admiration. But in reality, I don't see this happening. Manston will always be the airport that closed, it is a tarnished brand, something that will take time and money to shake off. Something I fear it does not have.
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yeah but Riveroak can still build 10,000 houses there when the reopened airport goes bust - a few million quid spent on reopening it is just a deductable cost to these sort of companies..............
and with luck, having used the DCO process they'll have cut the Council out all together - quite clever I suspect if you take the long view
and with luck, having used the DCO process they'll have cut the Council out all together - quite clever I suspect if you take the long view
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Manston's only chance of re-establishing itself in the Air Cargo market will be if it can offer significant night flight capacity as the availability of additional night slots for overnight cargo shippers in London will soon be a thing of the past. It would then become the "East Midlands Airport" of the South East - not ideally positioned but the best that is available.
Is the community around Manston ready to accept/tolerate this however?
Is the community around Manston ready to accept/tolerate this however?
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There is one slight fly in all the ointment being applied by Riveroak and its supporters..Do they all think that the present owner, Ann Gloag, is just going to roll over and meekly accept her fate???....Without doubt, that will be their biggest hurdle, and that is one tough determined lady with very expensive lawyers 
She could get this held up for so long, even Riveroak would lose interest
She could get this held up for so long, even Riveroak would lose interest
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RiverOak meets Planning Inspectorate team
"On 5 January the RiverOak team and its legal advisors met five members of the Planning Inspectorate team at Temple Quay House in Bristol.
"The meeting, which lasted over two hours, covered a range of issues relevant to RiverOak’s proposed application for a Development Consent Order in respect of Manston Airport. It was agreed that from now on there should be regular monthly meetings between the parties as the DCO process moves forward, the first of which will take place in February."
"On 5 January the RiverOak team and its legal advisors met five members of the Planning Inspectorate team at Temple Quay House in Bristol.
"The meeting, which lasted over two hours, covered a range of issues relevant to RiverOak’s proposed application for a Development Consent Order in respect of Manston Airport. It was agreed that from now on there should be regular monthly meetings between the parties as the DCO process moves forward, the first of which will take place in February."
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Here's Manston's future :- http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surr...0-10567093ture,
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Well RiverOak met with the Planning Inspectorate last Tuesday, had a 2 1/2 hour meeting with 5 of them, and the project has now gone live, as a Development Consent Order (DCO) Pre-Application, on the Planning Inspectorate site :
Manston Airport | National Infrastructure Planning
About this project :
The upgrade and reopening of Manston Airport primarily as a cargo airport, with some passenger services, with a capacity of at least 12,000 air cargo movements per year.
The figure of 12,000 air cargo movements comes from 2,000 prior capability plus 10,000 new capability.
The timing for the first stage for the Pre-Application for Manston is we believe in part determined by the political timing for Heathrow, hence 4th quarter 2016. RiverOak want to do the consultations thoroughly, but think they can move more quickly than that.
You can register on the Planning Inspectorate site for email updates as things progress.
Manston Airport | National Infrastructure Planning
About this project :
The upgrade and reopening of Manston Airport primarily as a cargo airport, with some passenger services, with a capacity of at least 12,000 air cargo movements per year.
The figure of 12,000 air cargo movements comes from 2,000 prior capability plus 10,000 new capability.
The timing for the first stage for the Pre-Application for Manston is we believe in part determined by the political timing for Heathrow, hence 4th quarter 2016. RiverOak want to do the consultations thoroughly, but think they can move more quickly than that.
You can register on the Planning Inspectorate site for email updates as things progress.
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Where can one find a cost analysis of the proposed project?
Has anyone actually worked out the cost of procurement, installation and commissioning of the required facillities?
I give you a hint, a fire engine tyre costs £1,800. Start from there and work your way up.
Has anyone actually worked out the cost of procurement, installation and commissioning of the required facillities?
I give you a hint, a fire engine tyre costs £1,800. Start from there and work your way up.