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If taking a huge paycut for doing the same job is indeed going to happen, it is really a market correction. The job done by BA staff outside London is now done by Aviance at a market rate. Life goes on.
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Article in the Belfast Telegraph today suggesting EI meeting their own expectations for the new base...40% of London market with 30% of the capacity, 500,000 customers since launch, and 75% load factors...
When it comes to EI / FR, for me there is only one winner, and it's not FR...for anyone who values being treated with any respect, EI is the only option. The number of people who I hear saying that they will never fly FR again is increasing...and I've found that their prices are often up there with everyone else.
EI offer a proper service, give you a specific seat (why is that so rare?) and generally do a pretty good job...
When it comes to EI / FR, for me there is only one winner, and it's not FR...for anyone who values being treated with any respect, EI is the only option. The number of people who I hear saying that they will never fly FR again is increasing...and I've found that their prices are often up there with everyone else.
EI offer a proper service, give you a specific seat (why is that so rare?) and generally do a pretty good job...
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Lets end it here !
This tread was started by me in response to an news story in an Irish news paper (Not my words).
The title asks how much trouble are EI in !
And yes I think that (IF) (EI) were in trouble they should think of sorting things out with FR (my thoughts)
I do not wish any airline to go under including (EI).
So if we cant have a discution without the threat of the (LAW) and slagging Airlines off lets stop the discution here and now
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The title asks how much trouble are EI in !
And yes I think that (IF) (EI) were in trouble they should think of sorting things out with FR (my thoughts)
I do not wish any airline to go under including (EI).
So if we cant have a discution without the threat of the (LAW) and slagging Airlines off lets stop the discution here and now
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Shannon is likely to be the only one to suffer any cutback in flights, thanks to the magnificent local airport management. What goes around comes around.
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Doesn't surprise me; who is LH not buying - LO, SK, SN etc!
What's particularly interesting about this is that they may perceive a weakness in FR, helped perhaps by its position as a shareholder in EI. The fact that FR is likely to break even AT BEST and the massive o/s orders might be suggesting to LH that the best is now behind them (for you, Michael, the war is over .... sorry, couldn't resist!) and consequently, EI a safer bet.
Once the govt failed to take any action over the SNN slots, the raison d'etre for holding the share is gone; maybe it could hold onto a small holding - presuming that the govt will have any interest in this proposal, but it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
What's particularly interesting about this is that they may perceive a weakness in FR, helped perhaps by its position as a shareholder in EI. The fact that FR is likely to break even AT BEST and the massive o/s orders might be suggesting to LH that the best is now behind them (for you, Michael, the war is over .... sorry, couldn't resist!) and consequently, EI a safer bet.
Once the govt failed to take any action over the SNN slots, the raison d'etre for holding the share is gone; maybe it could hold onto a small holding - presuming that the govt will have any interest in this proposal, but it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
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the govt could do with a couple of extra 100's of mill of euro as the budget approaches......lets see if something happens but it would rachet up the anti on the FR position. FR I'd say would run if they thought they could get their orig investment back?? Forgive me, how come LH is so so cash rich?
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It would make a lot more sense to put an Aer Arann ATR on the SNN/DUB sector to connect with Aer Lingus onwards to ORD. Similar to the Aer Arann/Aer Lingus interline agreement for Cork to Dublin flights to connect to US destinations.
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Seems everything is on the table according to RTE's News. 1300 ground staff possibly outsourced and US crews on the transatlantic flights....nothing being ruled out including the number of aircraft being used and all routes up for review. I reckon this is a serious make or break time for Mannion.
Interesting times ahead
Interesting times ahead
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What are the details of reported threats to use US crews on trans Atlantic
routes? How can an airline with a proud national history even consider this?
Even given the thousands of out of work US pilots, wouldn't Aer Lingus expect their pay demands would exceed their Irish nationals'?
routes? How can an airline with a proud national history even consider this?
Even given the thousands of out of work US pilots, wouldn't Aer Lingus expect their pay demands would exceed their Irish nationals'?
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Taildrag,
Ireland is a very expensive country to live in these days and incomes regularly exceed US counterparts. That and with the Euro so good against the dollar it would be far cheaper for any European airline (maybe with the exception of the Brits as the pound is losing its strength, although BA are using US based cabin crews to operate its Open Skies subsidary) to utilise US crew.
Also, Aer Lingus is a business that exists within contemporary society where national identities seem to be blurring. Aer Lingus management no more cares about any assumed obligation to maintain a national image nore do the price discerning customers. Sad fact but true!
Ireland is a very expensive country to live in these days and incomes regularly exceed US counterparts. That and with the Euro so good against the dollar it would be far cheaper for any European airline (maybe with the exception of the Brits as the pound is losing its strength, although BA are using US based cabin crews to operate its Open Skies subsidary) to utilise US crew.
Also, Aer Lingus is a business that exists within contemporary society where national identities seem to be blurring. Aer Lingus management no more cares about any assumed obligation to maintain a national image nore do the price discerning customers. Sad fact but true!
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This may indeed be true. But EI shouldn't discount the intangible contribution to the brand that its cabin crew make. In fact given the basic level of its service its crew are the brand. If EI persist down this route they will be relying on price alone to attract its customers. There is still a sizeable number of passengers who book EI out of loyalty to the brand and because of the care given to them by EI cabin crews.
Another point: If EI can use US cabin crews why not pilots? I wonder what the political implications would be if the government were to stand by and let a company in which they hold a significant shareholding outsource Irish jobs abroad - especially in these difficult times!!!
Another point: If EI can use US cabin crews why not pilots? I wonder what the political implications would be if the government were to stand by and let a company in which they hold a significant shareholding outsource Irish jobs abroad - especially in these difficult times!!!
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They said the same about us in belfast - what is it with irish people who think they are the only people in the world who treat customers well. The americans invented service and half the customers are american who love american service
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Replacing the Irish crew would massively dilute the brand, however if they wanna be Ryanair there's lots of cheap foreign labour to be had alas....
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Another point: If EI can use US cabin crews why not pilots? I wonder what the political implications would be if the government were to stand by and let a company in which they hold a significant shareholding outsource Irish jobs abroad - especially in these difficult times!!!
Irish Ferries vs SIPTU comes to mind..........
MH.
Irish Ferries vs SIPTU comes to mind..........
MH.
Wouldn't be the first time US crews were used to offer EI T/A flights.
Wasn't the Tristar wet-leased with flight crew ... and further back the Connies were US crewed too. And, yes is know there were no EI type rated crews for either at the time. There were also Delta cabin crew working alongside EI staff on T/A's for a while IIRC.
The EI cabin is now failry multinational as it is, and there are certinaly more than one nationality operating on the short haul flight decks too.
JAS
Wasn't the Tristar wet-leased with flight crew ... and further back the Connies were US crewed too. And, yes is know there were no EI type rated crews for either at the time. There were also Delta cabin crew working alongside EI staff on T/A's for a while IIRC.
The EI cabin is now failry multinational as it is, and there are certinaly more than one nationality operating on the short haul flight decks too.
JAS