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It just make you realise how what I think of as the majors have surendered territory - EI F50s to the likes of Flybe, BA 146s/RJs to the likes of...........
Flybe.
Neither EI or BA felt/was able to give FR/EZY/BE a run for their money!
Guess even in '96 they might have realised the change to loco and adpated unions apart
(I know BA had this Go thing - the right direction but stifled as an infant)
Flybe.
Neither EI or BA felt/was able to give FR/EZY/BE a run for their money!
Guess even in '96 they might have realised the change to loco and adpated unions apart
(I know BA had this Go thing - the right direction but stifled as an infant)
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EI/RE
From today's Irish Times:
Aer Lingus and Aer Arann discuss new alliance - The Irish Times - Wed, Jan 06, 2010
About time too; hopefully this will allow EI to add some frequencies on regional UK routes and "get back in the game". I recall that the prospect of an EI/RE relationship was first discussed back in DM's day - at least two years ago; how much more could have been achieved if they acted then, rather than waiting until both airlines desperately needed this to happen.
Aer Lingus and Aer Arann discuss new alliance - The Irish Times - Wed, Jan 06, 2010
About time too; hopefully this will allow EI to add some frequencies on regional UK routes and "get back in the game". I recall that the prospect of an EI/RE relationship was first discussed back in DM's day - at least two years ago; how much more could have been achieved if they acted then, rather than waiting until both airlines desperately needed this to happen.
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An EI/RE link-up makes quite a lot of sense and would probably have happened long ago in most other places.
That said, I don't see it as a miracle solution. A few daily Aer Arann ATRs aren't worth much competing against Ryanair 737-800s on UK routes.
Considering how cheap it already is to fly from the UK to anywhere, EI+RE would need to be extremely price competitive to get any number of transit passengers continuing to the US.
Then given the price sensitivity of the Irish travelling public (both business and leisure), you will have massive difficult getting point to point passenger at sufficiently high fares to sustain the service.
I don't think an extra frequency will make the difference and take enough people off Ryanair 737s.
I suspect we will see a simple codeshare (or rebrand?) rather than a big reshuffle of Aer Arann operations.
That said, I don't see it as a miracle solution. A few daily Aer Arann ATRs aren't worth much competing against Ryanair 737-800s on UK routes.
Considering how cheap it already is to fly from the UK to anywhere, EI+RE would need to be extremely price competitive to get any number of transit passengers continuing to the US.
Then given the price sensitivity of the Irish travelling public (both business and leisure), you will have massive difficult getting point to point passenger at sufficiently high fares to sustain the service.
I don't think an extra frequency will make the difference and take enough people off Ryanair 737s.
I suspect we will see a simple codeshare (or rebrand?) rather than a big reshuffle of Aer Arann operations.
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BHX/MAN
I certainly hope they don'y intend to use the ATR72 on BHX & MAN
to DUB (unless in the early afternoon). BHX & MAN - ORK double daily would be ideal and perhaps double or triple daily EDI-DUB and GLA-DUB.
BHX-DUB has six flights a day (FR/EI) averaging from a low of 130 pax
perf light to 145 in the high season and Manchester I believe is a bit
higher. Unless they are making huge losses on these routes I don't
see the point when running up against a 189 seat jet unless it really is
a last resort.
The figures quoted above include Ryanair but still I would imagine
Aer Lingus get their fair share of the market, especially going by
the long line of disappointed pax from this afternoons cancelled
Dublin. I suppose desparate times need desparate measures.
Pete
to DUB (unless in the early afternoon). BHX & MAN - ORK double daily would be ideal and perhaps double or triple daily EDI-DUB and GLA-DUB.
BHX-DUB has six flights a day (FR/EI) averaging from a low of 130 pax
perf light to 145 in the high season and Manchester I believe is a bit
higher. Unless they are making huge losses on these routes I don't
see the point when running up against a 189 seat jet unless it really is
a last resort.
The figures quoted above include Ryanair but still I would imagine
Aer Lingus get their fair share of the market, especially going by
the long line of disappointed pax from this afternoons cancelled
Dublin. I suppose desparate times need desparate measures.
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It would be suicidal for EI/RE to put props on the MAN and BHX routes. Their costs would rise per passenger significantly. They can only compete effectively with FR as it is because they match their seat capacity.
Fr would cripple them on their 3rd and 4th most lucrative UK routes...
Fr would cripple them on their 3rd and 4th most lucrative UK routes...
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Their costs would rise per passenger significantly. They can only compete effectively with FR as it is because they match their seat capacity.
Can I ask you what is the cost of having say only 80 seats full on a 320, and then what is the real cost per occupied to operate a 172 aircraft when many seats are empty.
The rational of saying 'their cost would rise per passenger significantly' goes out the window when they are probably operating these routes at significant losses and struggle to justify the existing frequency with such a big plane.
In addition, I dont agree that the only reason they can compete with FR as it is because they match their seat capacity. Aer Lingus are struggling to compete on point to point traffic with Ryanair. Ryanair probably breaking even or making small profit on say DUB BHX but EI probably losing a fortune.
EI-BUD
EI lease Hangar 6 at EIDW
Seems EI are to lease the former SR Technics (former FLS, former Team Aer Lingus) Hangar 6 at DUB.
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Aer Lingus To Reduce Schedule And Fleet In Lgw
Is the company expanding or not? One hand says it is improving - new bases, code shares (UA, RE), leasing the old TEAM hangar. The other hand says that it's not - reducing bases (SNN, BFS and LGW).
It's late in the night, nearly 12 hour day of the flippin freezin cold and I'm tired.
Doesn't the code share with RE ex ORK and DUB also mean that not as many crew will be required but that they'll have more aircraft at hand doin' nothing?
Aer Lingus to reduce activity at Gatwick base - The Irish Times - Fri, Jan 08, 2010
It's late in the night, nearly 12 hour day of the flippin freezin cold and I'm tired.
Doesn't the code share with RE ex ORK and DUB also mean that not as many crew will be required but that they'll have more aircraft at hand doin' nothing?
Aer Lingus to reduce activity at Gatwick base - The Irish Times - Fri, Jan 08, 2010
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I have made several posts about the shocking waste of shareholders money at Gatwick. Thank goodness that reality has taken over from dreams. Incidentally I have used them once from Gatwick. Boarding was a shambles because the gate opened far too late for an on-time departure but on-boar service was excellent with an attentive and professional crew and a fine breakfast.
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I have always had a soft spot for EI as it is the first airline I used when I was young from CDG toDUB. It was called early bird as leaving at 4 or so in the morning.
However When I saw EI starting routes such as AGP or FAO.... which were already saturated with Monarch, Easyjet and BA in the game and going through the worst economic crisis, I thought EI was suicidal.
I think the people who decided to move in LGW were a bunch of amateurs and I don't feel sorry if EI lost money there.
I totally believe in competition but the EI move to certain LGW routes was plane stupid.
However When I saw EI starting routes such as AGP or FAO.... which were already saturated with Monarch, Easyjet and BA in the game and going through the worst economic crisis, I thought EI was suicidal.
I think the people who decided to move in LGW were a bunch of amateurs and I don't feel sorry if EI lost money there.
I totally believe in competition but the EI move to certain LGW routes was plane stupid.
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Report: routes to AGP, DUB, NOC and new ORK will remain at LGW, 3 based a/c
Aer Lingus Group PLC - Trading Update & Traffic Stat - InvestEgate
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However When I saw EI starting routes such as AGP or FAO.... which were already saturated with Monarch, Easyjet and BA in the game and going through the worst economic crisis, I thought EI was suicidal.
Finally, they're starting to smell the coffee, possible this new CEO has a bit of common sense?
Pity so much money was wasted and burned in the process...
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It's a pity they'll be abandoning the Vilnius route from Gatwick. Seemed to be one of the most viable. But of course I have no access to the figures...
While Aer Lingus going head to head with Ryanair on Cork is dangerous and ill-advised, I see the logic behind it. When Aer Lingus team up with Aer Arann they will be a majour player on the Ireland - UK market. In that respect a Cork - Gatwick route makes a lot of sense. But the price war is going to be costly. Interesting times ahead...
(I wonder will they maintain the current Cork - Heathrow capacity?)
While Aer Lingus going head to head with Ryanair on Cork is dangerous and ill-advised, I see the logic behind it. When Aer Lingus team up with Aer Arann they will be a majour player on the Ireland - UK market. In that respect a Cork - Gatwick route makes a lot of sense. But the price war is going to be costly. Interesting times ahead...
(I wonder will they maintain the current Cork - Heathrow capacity?)
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EI is restoring itself back to its roots - a full service airline. Bringing maintenance back in-house is a great start. Working with Aer Arran is another great opportunity to bring a better fleet mix to a diverse market. The ground handling companies are going through a rough patch at the moment and most are bust and bleeding cash - there are opportunities to grab a ground handling company cheap at the moment. Take the opportunity while it is there but please don't start the CTC / OAA pilot racket !