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Alitalia 'can guarantee no flights after Sunday'
Alitalia cannot guarantee any flights after Sunday because of lack of fuel, Alitalia special administrator Augusto Fantozzi said Saturday.
No-one will supply kerosene to Alitalia after sunday....
No-one will supply kerosene to Alitalia after sunday....
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anyone got a match?
Goodness do they still refer to go juice as Kerosene? (thought that was a nasty Greek wine!)
An old mate of mine did a B767 delivery flight for Alitalia many many years ago and he came back from Italy with stories of their flight deck appearing on the ramp, to greet the new 'flagship' as it was then, en masse wearing their armani uniforms, cashmere overcoats (draped over shoulders) and their rayban sunglasses perched atop caps. Pity someone didn't see the writing on the wall way back then!
Give them the Kerosene a company that shows such ineptness is probably only worth setting a light to anyways! more scraps around for the survivors!
An old mate of mine did a B767 delivery flight for Alitalia many many years ago and he came back from Italy with stories of their flight deck appearing on the ramp, to greet the new 'flagship' as it was then, en masse wearing their armani uniforms, cashmere overcoats (draped over shoulders) and their rayban sunglasses perched atop caps. Pity someone didn't see the writing on the wall way back then!
Give them the Kerosene a company that shows such ineptness is probably only worth setting a light to anyways! more scraps around for the survivors!
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hi bladepilot, I understand your enviousness , but , although I am also an ''turboblade ''pilot, it is no the right time to commence the party for another announced bankruptcy in the airline industry.....wich one will come next? my or your company ?......black clouds for us guy.....
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How come it's all the 767 operators going under?? Perhaps I should take it off my licence!
LJ
ps... this should really be moved and merged with the other Alitalia threads that say the same thing!
LJ
ps... this should really be moved and merged with the other Alitalia threads that say the same thing!
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Sorry remind me again how long Alitalia has been 'solvent' how many injections of Itialian Tax payers money have they recently had? I think you'll find they actually went 'dunlops up' a while back!
Sorry remind me again how long Alitalia has been 'solvent' how many injections of Itialian Tax payers money have they recently had? I think you'll find they actually went 'dunlops up' a while back!
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Alitalia
Now I know this is bad for some but Ryanair would love this one
and they are still in talks for some bigger A/C maybe some 777
coming on the market soon ?
and they are still in talks for some bigger A/C maybe some 777
coming on the market soon ?
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All I can say is good riddance, it is this kind of state funded 'white elephant' that mains that other airlines are put at a disadvantage. Alitalia and most of the US carriers have been running effectively bankrupt since the late 90's. In Alitalia's case the airline could be restructered if it weren't for the ludicrous claims from the unions. I heard that one of the sticking points with the pilot union is they refused to budge on their contractual limit of 65 flying hours per month. You will never make money with that sort of attitude. As always I don't like to see anyone lose their jobs and hopefully a restructuring plan can still be hashed out.
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I agree with Artificial Horizon
This behaviour of Unions is not of this time and onl benefits short time the few at the expense of all others.
It is time the unions anywhere started thinking of the balanced long term health of the companies and within that the positions of their members rather than the narrow minded short term money draining on behalf of their members in a much more dynamic world than the fifties of the previous century...
no one can afford only looking at their own picture any more, not the managers, not the unions. Only cooperation and looking at the entire framework of the industry can safeguard jobs long term
This behaviour of Unions is not of this time and onl benefits short time the few at the expense of all others.
It is time the unions anywhere started thinking of the balanced long term health of the companies and within that the positions of their members rather than the narrow minded short term money draining on behalf of their members in a much more dynamic world than the fifties of the previous century...
no one can afford only looking at their own picture any more, not the managers, not the unions. Only cooperation and looking at the entire framework of the industry can safeguard jobs long term
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The really sad thing is that when Alitalia does go the way of the Dodo, all these pilots/crew/others will have to go and get themselves another job and the lucky ones to actually get an airline job in this current climate will find themselves working a lot harder for a lot less then was being offered to them in order to save the airline!
There always has to be a bit of give and take between management and Unions and clearly the Italian unions have failed to read that chapter in the manual.
There always has to be a bit of give and take between management and Unions and clearly the Italian unions have failed to read that chapter in the manual.
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tax collectors??? Now that's funny from the biggest tax dodger of them all!!
Let the waste of space that is Alitalia die and let something useful come out of the ashes.
Let the waste of space that is Alitalia die and let something useful come out of the ashes.
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what others european unions say about Alitalia.....
http://www.eurocockpit.be/media/Alit..._08_0911_F.pdf
Presseaussendung - ANPAC / Italienische Piloten
European Cockpit Association (ECA) Website - Italian Pilots Call for Recognition of their Unique Contribution to the Industry
Les pilotes d'Alitalia | Syndicat National des Pilotes de Ligne (SNPL)
Norsk Flygerforbund
PRESS RELAESE FROM APPLA (PORTUGUESE AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION) AND
SPAC (PORTUGUESE CIVIL PILOTS UNION)
After the declared bankruptcy of the italian airline Alitalia, and in
a quest to inflict in the employees the effects of several years of
poor management, the Pilots all across Europe are showing extreme
solidarity to their Italian fellow colleagues, in what is considered
to be an attempt against professional airline Pilots and their careers.
In fact, and according to the Press Release from ECA - European
Cockpit Association, which we attached, the demand and specifications
of the Pilots working practices are in stake not allowing for a single
contract.
APPLA and SPAC hereby show their total understanding and solidarity
with their Italian colleagues.
APPLA and SPAC
PORTUGAL
Enjoy your readings
Stef
Presseaussendung - ANPAC / Italienische Piloten
European Cockpit Association (ECA) Website - Italian Pilots Call for Recognition of their Unique Contribution to the Industry
Les pilotes d'Alitalia | Syndicat National des Pilotes de Ligne (SNPL)
Norsk Flygerforbund
PRESS RELAESE FROM APPLA (PORTUGUESE AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION) AND
SPAC (PORTUGUESE CIVIL PILOTS UNION)
After the declared bankruptcy of the italian airline Alitalia, and in
a quest to inflict in the employees the effects of several years of
poor management, the Pilots all across Europe are showing extreme
solidarity to their Italian fellow colleagues, in what is considered
to be an attempt against professional airline Pilots and their careers.
In fact, and according to the Press Release from ECA - European
Cockpit Association, which we attached, the demand and specifications
of the Pilots working practices are in stake not allowing for a single
contract.
APPLA and SPAC hereby show their total understanding and solidarity
with their Italian colleagues.
APPLA and SPAC
PORTUGAL
Enjoy your readings
Stef
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I agree with previous posters on the fact that the union/government (same, same I guess??) has made it impossible to restructure Alitalia in the past and/or to save it now. However, to imply that one of the issues that made it impossible was the unions refusal to bulge on the 65 hr / month "rule" is BS. 65 hrs per month average flying means 780 hrs per year! If you can't make a major airline profitable because of this then you should close down the shop no matter what. I think their issues reaches far beyond the 65 hours per month....
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What is the monthly max for other major European airlines? Are Alitalia's work rules that much different? It seems to be a popular theme for incompetent management to blame the line workers for everything.
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Well in my airline and I believe throughout the EU, legislation is set at 900 hours PA so that averages at 75 hours a month. Now each year over the last 3 consecutive years I have spent almost 2 months sitting on my arse on standby (I use that term loosely as there is nothing they could give me) because I regularly maxed my hours despite taking all my allocated leave and perhaps the odd period of sickness. So to be honest it sounds to me that the 65 hours at AZ would probably be rather more realistic in order to maintain a fluid roster.
Wish I could do 65 hours a month!
Wish I could do 65 hours a month!