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Mathers - CAT III is not worth installing. If you look at the small number of diverts CWL experiences every year - and therefore lost revenue - installing CAT III would have a payback period of about 20 years!! The ILS upgrade would cost next to nothing - but the associated runway lighting would be extremely expensive - do the sums by boy, not worth the installation cost.
Besides, look at the number of diverts which CWL picks up from BRS - more than outweighs the number of flights it loses.
As for the horse about putting off new operators, simply not the case. Airline / airport discussions consider all options and if an airline was prepared to sign up to an agreement to operate from CWL, then the management would be prepared to upgrade the system. Not rocket science!
Besides, look at the number of diverts which CWL picks up from BRS - more than outweighs the number of flights it loses.
As for the horse about putting off new operators, simply not the case. Airline / airport discussions consider all options and if an airline was prepared to sign up to an agreement to operate from CWL, then the management would be prepared to upgrade the system. Not rocket science!
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That was the specific reason i asked such question as i didn't know the answer (it's not my field). Thanks for the info but would have wished for a reply without any attitude.
Am i correct in the assumtion then that Cardiff will not be looking at installing Cat3 ILS ?
Thought money would be more well spent on other items such as Cat3 and improving the terminal rather than go through another re-branding.
Am i correct in the assumtion then that Cardiff will not be looking at installing Cat3 ILS ?
Thought money would be more well spent on other items such as Cat3 and improving the terminal rather than go through another re-branding.
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Sorry, the attitude wasn't deliberate - I should have read my response before sending it!
I fully agree with you - there are other areas which need immediate and urgent attention, other than the current brand...a complete and utter waste of capital. Re-branding will not create a larger pax base, nor do anything for stakeholder relations - the airport product is not a 'brand' which requires a whole heap spent on revitalising it.
In 30 years of airport management, I have never known a re-branding exercise to bring one additional passenger through the front doors! It is simply a pointless and ego-boosting exercise by the man at the top.
I fully agree with you - there are other areas which need immediate and urgent attention, other than the current brand...a complete and utter waste of capital. Re-branding will not create a larger pax base, nor do anything for stakeholder relations - the airport product is not a 'brand' which requires a whole heap spent on revitalising it.
In 30 years of airport management, I have never known a re-branding exercise to bring one additional passenger through the front doors! It is simply a pointless and ego-boosting exercise by the man at the top.
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As for rebranding I totally agree. At the end of the day, whatever they decide to call it, the people who use it will still refer to it as Cardiff Airport as they do now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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I believe the actual ILS system installed in the late nineties is CAT 3 Capable. However, even fitting the lights to only the 12 end, (you couldn't use 30 anyway due to the cliff which is why BRS hasn't got it on 09) would be very expensive. Although you might be able to get the whole job done cut price just now ! Not sure whether there might be a problem with the locating of the BA hangar as well for full CAT 3 but Cat 2 would be sufficient in all but the very worst weather (probably one day a year).
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Yet again,new routes for BRS- Bastia and Corfu with EZY and I bet they havent cancelled another route for these! More choice for us welsh travellers to cross the bridge and fly to.... from BRS!
If only we could get some of their magic at CWL.
If only we could get some of their magic at CWL.
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Cardiff has lost its Canada route. Globespan have axed the route to Toronto for summer 09. 
Now there is no Canada service since the 70's!Summer 09 is going to be one of the worst on record!
-No Warsaw, Lisbon, Tornoto, Newquay
-TOM reducing frequency
-No 4th Aircraft for WW
-No Flybe Expansion
-No Florida flights
-WW reducing frequency
I blame it on the economic crisis and bloody ADVERTISMENT!! If some from Cardiff Airport reads this you need some ADVERTISMENT OF ROUTES!! i.e Billboards, Buses......
The Mahon route hasn't even been annouced! No wonder Toronto, Newquay and Lisbon all fell through! SOmething will have to kick them into shape, and i bet it won't be untill something BIG happens. Im thinking WW dropping the base and Cardiff only becoming a airport in a W pattern which is already starting to happen!! Cardiff Airport is on a downwards spiral, it will soon be another CVT or Teeside!
Sorry, Rant is over now
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Not good news about YHM. Obviously wasn't performing just like NQY/LIS!
Shame as Zoom were doing so well with it last year.
Travel City Direct is also up and running again under the Virgin brand. No CWL flights there though! VS wouldv'e been an interesting sight at CWL.
However, whilst i think CWL is stuck in their ways, and as we all feel the airport is going nowhere. None of us here actually know what goes on behind the scene's.
Also, its the airlines that operate the route, so the airlines should advertise!
The only place the airport should help out with advertising is on CWLFLY.COM.
Having one "breaking news" section doesn't advertise. Aside from enthuiasts and airport staff, people who use the website dont want to go trawling through the pages to look at whats going on at CWL!
Whilst the article about "Changes to the car parks" was on the front page for months, 5 other articles were placed in the archives!! Which hardly anybody probably read!
Have a list of important things going on, right in peoples faces!
Shame as Zoom were doing so well with it last year.
Travel City Direct is also up and running again under the Virgin brand. No CWL flights there though! VS wouldv'e been an interesting sight at CWL.
However, whilst i think CWL is stuck in their ways, and as we all feel the airport is going nowhere. None of us here actually know what goes on behind the scene's.
Also, its the airlines that operate the route, so the airlines should advertise!
The only place the airport should help out with advertising is on CWLFLY.COM.
Having one "breaking news" section doesn't advertise. Aside from enthuiasts and airport staff, people who use the website dont want to go trawling through the pages to look at whats going on at CWL!
Whilst the article about "Changes to the car parks" was on the front page for months, 5 other articles were placed in the archives!! Which hardly anybody probably read!
Have a list of important things going on, right in peoples faces!
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Totally agree with the two above posts - CWL MANAGEMENT TAKE NOTE!!
Although I accept we dont know what has been/is being done,If you dont do something NOW,the airport has had it.Its well over time for some serious incentives to attract operators
Although I accept we dont know what has been/is being done,If you dont do something NOW,the airport has had it.Its well over time for some serious incentives to attract operators
, you know get in with the gang! 
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From my point of view, the issue is that CWL missed the boat a number of times over the past few years.
Now they are finally trying to get their act together, with the route survey, and fishing for route incentives etc.
But it has come at the wrong time. Airlines dont want to expand at the moment.
Even though it was only 2 routes, the loss of Zoom was not great for CWL. They provided international routes, on large aircraft. Many travellers used Zoom to YYZ to connect to onward Canadian destinations, something GSM were never going to do with YHM.
Hopefully the airport will try everything they can to get an operator in for Canada. But as times are, there may be a wait.
As for DXB - whilst NCL has exceeded expectations, i really cant see CWL filling a daily A330, especially with BHX/LHR a few hours up the road.
NYC - realistically, cant compete with CO at BRS/BHX.
Charter will eventually get back on its feet. TOM and TCX are still getting their acts together after the merger. We're already seeing TCX come back in the winter, and are adding a few extra flights during the coming summer.
TOM are scaling back their lo-cost which is partly why there is a reduction this year. Hopefully 2010 will be the year for them at CWL.
Hopefully TOM or TCX will pull something out of the bag with regards to Long Haul ops, especially Orlando.
Something the management could aim at is getting Travel City Direct back into CWL under the Virgin Brand.
I think we should all sit tight for the moment and be thankful we still have an airport and the majority of airlines that operate from there!
Now they are finally trying to get their act together, with the route survey, and fishing for route incentives etc.
But it has come at the wrong time. Airlines dont want to expand at the moment.
Even though it was only 2 routes, the loss of Zoom was not great for CWL. They provided international routes, on large aircraft. Many travellers used Zoom to YYZ to connect to onward Canadian destinations, something GSM were never going to do with YHM.
Hopefully the airport will try everything they can to get an operator in for Canada. But as times are, there may be a wait.
As for DXB - whilst NCL has exceeded expectations, i really cant see CWL filling a daily A330, especially with BHX/LHR a few hours up the road.
NYC - realistically, cant compete with CO at BRS/BHX.
Charter will eventually get back on its feet. TOM and TCX are still getting their acts together after the merger. We're already seeing TCX come back in the winter, and are adding a few extra flights during the coming summer.
TOM are scaling back their lo-cost which is partly why there is a reduction this year. Hopefully 2010 will be the year for them at CWL.
Hopefully TOM or TCX will pull something out of the bag with regards to Long Haul ops, especially Orlando.
Something the management could aim at is getting Travel City Direct back into CWL under the Virgin Brand.
I think we should all sit tight for the moment and be thankful we still have an airport and the majority of airlines that operate from there!
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Looking quickly at arr/deps to see how quiet today will be and noticed no WW movements today (til 1700 EDI)... anybody got an idea as to why ???
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I read on a specific Ryanair forum this morning, that Cardiff might be another key player in their expansion. They have probably seen that flybe arent doing much more at the current time and baby are reducing frequencies, as well as Thomson and stuff. Somewhere else I have read is that they are considering Girona, Rome, Dusseldorf, Dublin, Palma, Murcia and Malaga
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Where was his read? It old news, Ryanair will not expand at Cardiff (i.e. in the next few years) for 4 reasons:
-Cardiff's Reputation
-The Airport Management
-The Economic Crisis
-Something 12 miles away over the channel with a big black strip and a big building which goes by the name of Bristol Airport.
Ryanair don't have a very good relationship with Cardiff. If they has kept the DUB route then they may have possible expanded but they did leave on sore words.
-Cardiff's Reputation
-The Airport Management
-The Economic Crisis
-Something 12 miles away over the channel with a big black strip and a big building which goes by the name of Bristol Airport.
Ryanair don't have a very good relationship with Cardiff. If they has kept the DUB route then they may have possible expanded but they did leave on sore words.
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Ryanair also have issues with new aircraft continuing to arrive, the market for 2nd user 738's being dead and grounded aircraft costing a fortune.
The managment team that p'd off MOL and his cohorts have now left CWL so there could be room for discussions.
Do I think FR moving into CWL big style would be good - NO!! Let them expand at BRS and turn their airport into the equvilant of a rundown bus station due to their constant demands to reduce costs.
Give BE a break - let their existing network from CWL settle down and they will expand as the ecomony recovers. Compared to FR they are a quality airline!!
The managment team that p'd off MOL and his cohorts have now left CWL so there could be room for discussions.
Do I think FR moving into CWL big style would be good - NO!! Let them expand at BRS and turn their airport into the equvilant of a rundown bus station due to their constant demands to reduce costs.
Give BE a break - let their existing network from CWL settle down and they will expand as the ecomony recovers. Compared to FR they are a quality airline!!