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Manx2 to Stornoway is very unlikely - had it been to PIK, I could believe it as it's the only FR route that hasn't been replaced and would be ideally suited to a 19 seater.
As for Flybe to AMS, just as unlikely. Flybe threw their toys out when the WW announcement was made and further expansion at BHD is very unlikely in the short term if at all. In fact, we are more likely to see a gradual reduction in services from them particularly on marginal routes like Doncaster, Inverness and Aberdeen which will probably disappear.
As for Flybe to AMS, just as unlikely. Flybe threw their toys out when the WW announcement was made and further expansion at BHD is very unlikely in the short term if at all. In fact, we are more likely to see a gradual reduction in services from them particularly on marginal routes like Doncaster, Inverness and Aberdeen which will probably disappear.
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I assume they will announce their response in the next few weeks.
I expect the response will be increased frequencies on routes the Baby are serving already served by BE i.e. Birmingham, Cardiff, East Midlands, Manchester and probably London-Gatwick. I assume BE will attempt to wipe Baby out of BHD.
When BE moved to CWL they did far better timings and prices than WW did and managed to wipe baby off the domestics from CWL. Now BE have to themselves GLA, EDI, JER from CWL and I assume they want Belfast all to themselves.
I expect the response will be increased frequencies on routes the Baby are serving already served by BE i.e. Birmingham, Cardiff, East Midlands, Manchester and probably London-Gatwick. I assume BE will attempt to wipe Baby out of BHD.
When BE moved to CWL they did far better timings and prices than WW did and managed to wipe baby off the domestics from CWL. Now BE have to themselves GLA, EDI, JER from CWL and I assume they want Belfast all to themselves.
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I highly doubt NM would do Stornoway, Flybe do offer it via Glasgow but the number of passengers who would do such a connection has never been enough to justify even a Manx2 aircraft. If it was Stornoway to say..Glasgow, as part of the Scottish PSO. that could be a different story. Brescia, Memmingen, along with Geneva, Salzburg etc are the winter charters, usually associated with Thomson etc. Same deal as the Summer Reus flights Havent heard anything Re. Amsterdam, but there could be a market, Flybe get a large number of passengers to and from Germany/Holland/France etc to Belfast, who have to changeover in the likes of Birmingham or Manchester. Also With Flybe codesharing with Air France, who are with KLM, there could be sense in it, but at the minute pure speculation..
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I was under the impression that VBS was a charter from both airports, except BHD was a smaller jet for obvious reasons. The VBS route starts next week from BFS, this was cancelled until 2-3 weeks ago then brought back in, rescheduled though
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Flybe response
Flybe could well increase frequency on routes served by both airlines, but what would be the point? off peak traffic is by and large leisure traffic and is far more interested in price than frequency.
I think it is unlikely that Flybe will try and do a Ryanair and flood the market with cheap tickets, they will know only too well that the move to BHD by baby would not have happened without the force of bmi and more importantly LH behind them.
There seems to be a growing consensus that the move on STN had very little to do with baby, but is part of a wider strategic change within the bmi group.
My predication for 2011 is that there will a major repositioning of both bmi regional and baby and who does what in the wider bmi group, with more flights and destinations to come for BHD
If one looks at the CWL time table (WW) for this Summer and the use of the CWL aircraft in BHD this is a big jump in crew costs, the based CWL unit is doing 3 Meds a day which require 3 crews per day as it is not possible to do a double Med on UK FTL's then there is the standby cover plus positioning costs (for BHD crews) add to which there is the night stop hotel costs and presumably some form of standby cover? having worked in crewing in a previous life, this is a big jump in costs, for what? to do a STN that came out of the blue?
In years gone by i could have put that down to baby's scatter gun approach to route development, but the Germans will know to the Euro what the extra cost of this move is, so why do it? i think it won't be long before we know and i suspect Flybe will not want to add fuel to the fire by some irrational knee jerk reaction
I think it is unlikely that Flybe will try and do a Ryanair and flood the market with cheap tickets, they will know only too well that the move to BHD by baby would not have happened without the force of bmi and more importantly LH behind them.
There seems to be a growing consensus that the move on STN had very little to do with baby, but is part of a wider strategic change within the bmi group.
My predication for 2011 is that there will a major repositioning of both bmi regional and baby and who does what in the wider bmi group, with more flights and destinations to come for BHD
If one looks at the CWL time table (WW) for this Summer and the use of the CWL aircraft in BHD this is a big jump in crew costs, the based CWL unit is doing 3 Meds a day which require 3 crews per day as it is not possible to do a double Med on UK FTL's then there is the standby cover plus positioning costs (for BHD crews) add to which there is the night stop hotel costs and presumably some form of standby cover? having worked in crewing in a previous life, this is a big jump in costs, for what? to do a STN that came out of the blue?
In years gone by i could have put that down to baby's scatter gun approach to route development, but the Germans will know to the Euro what the extra cost of this move is, so why do it? i think it won't be long before we know and i suspect Flybe will not want to add fuel to the fire by some irrational knee jerk reaction
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For those of us still confused by the move of WW to Bhd and then their arrival on the Bhd - Stn route. Look at the question and reply half-way down this article dated end of Oct 10.
bmibaby chief Julian Carr answers your questions - Runway Girl
Also remember that one of the reasons that Ba sold off Go was that they found that Go was starting to take away some of Ba's own traffic. Is there a chance that WW end up taking pax to Stn that might have gone Bd tp Lhr? Lhr ends up weakened as a result.
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bmibaby chief Julian Carr answers your questions - Runway Girl
Also remember that one of the reasons that Ba sold off Go was that they found that Go was starting to take away some of Ba's own traffic. Is there a chance that WW end up taking pax to Stn that might have gone Bd tp Lhr? Lhr ends up weakened as a result.
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BMI Baby probably will take passengers from BMI mainline on the route, but it's better than easyJet/Flybe taking them.
The money stays within the two companies/BMI Group at the end of the day and in the BMI Group's eyes its a darn sight better than easyJet or FlyBe having it.
The money stays within the two companies/BMI Group at the end of the day and in the BMI Group's eyes its a darn sight better than easyJet or FlyBe having it.
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quiet as a baby
seen a few take offs and so far they seen the same for noise as the ryanair's maybe less noise. cold mornings will be the real benchmark. cant see them doing an oleary and insulting the locals. so maybe less moaning and more happy people
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seen a few take offs and so far they seen the same for noise as the ryanair's maybe less noise. cold mornings will be the real benchmark. cant see them doing an oleary and insulting the locals. so maybe less moaning and more happy people
A BMI Baby flight took as we were walking over to the Park Avenue Hotel for dinner last night. A BMI Airbus took off almost immediately afterwards. To be honest we thought the Baby Boeing was slightly quieter.
A BMI Baby flight took as we were walking over to the Park Avenue Hotel for dinner last night. A BMI Airbus took off almost immediately afterwards. To be honest we thought the Baby Boeing was slightly quieter.
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Looking good with all four bmibaby BHD flights on the ground together this evening. All flight's arrived ontime however non have yet pushed back ontime? I understand theres hundreds of reasons as to why this can be however could it just be teething problems? bmi staff getting used to quicker boarding procedures compared to mainline etc etc? I believe this is the first evening with all four WW flights are down together as all other turnarounds seem to have been swift.