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i see that the knives are out for JET2 at the minute on here!!!
i belive that jet2 will be around for a long time yet the same goes to easyjet, ryanair and flybe.
jet2 may drop the lgw route but im sure it will be replaced with another route.
cork is going daily for the summer so the loads cant be that bad as some people may think! They must be making money on the routes they do are they wont be offering the same routes year after year.
i belive that jet2 will be around for a long time yet the same goes to easyjet, ryanair and flybe.
jet2 may drop the lgw route but im sure it will be replaced with another route.
cork is going daily for the summer so the loads cant be that bad as some people may think! They must be making money on the routes they do are they wont be offering the same routes year after year.
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Jet2 are slowly creeping away from city destinations, they make more money sending the 737 on a rotation to the med. They are going to tackle the charter market but still offer seat only as well. Rumours are stronger than every about imminante long haul on the 757 to east coast USA.
I think the LGW would be better served by a smaller a/c type such as 146 (Personally would love to see E170 lol) but they are low cost so the fleets need to remain common. its wierd as the LGW not long went on sale uptill Oct 31st ths year! they should do what LTU (Air Berlin) did in Germany to op domestic flights, they had WDL doing domestic on 146 for a bit
I think the LGW would be better served by a smaller a/c type such as 146 (Personally would love to see E170 lol) but they are low cost so the fleets need to remain common. its wierd as the LGW not long went on sale uptill Oct 31st ths year! they should do what LTU (Air Berlin) did in Germany to op domestic flights, they had WDL doing domestic on 146 for a bit
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I agree that Jet2's days are probably numbered on the LGW route.
But regarding Flybe's intentions, let's inject a dose of realism here. Let's assume they buy Jet2's LGW slots (although presumably others are also in the market for these). Now would they really use them to do a LGW/NQY service, where there are already four flights daily operated by WOW, a daily BA service, and a twice-daily NQY/STN service by Ryanair.... or use them to operate LGW/NCL which is a "warm" route, with a large market, uncompeted, and probably ideally suited to a 70ish seater.
I know what I'd do!!
But regarding Flybe's intentions, let's inject a dose of realism here. Let's assume they buy Jet2's LGW slots (although presumably others are also in the market for these). Now would they really use them to do a LGW/NQY service, where there are already four flights daily operated by WOW, a daily BA service, and a twice-daily NQY/STN service by Ryanair.... or use them to operate LGW/NCL which is a "warm" route, with a large market, uncompeted, and probably ideally suited to a 70ish seater.
I know what I'd do!!
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It does seem LS are struggling with their LGW route as they have slashed prices by 50%.
Could this finally be the time when BLK gets the slots!
Don't worry NCL fans - EZY have to put their LGW slots to good use and I wouldn't be surprised if NCL wasn't one of them. STN seems to be doing ok. If not EZY then BE!
Could this finally be the time when BLK gets the slots!
Don't worry NCL fans - EZY have to put their LGW slots to good use and I wouldn't be surprised if NCL wasn't one of them. STN seems to be doing ok. If not EZY then BE!
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What a strange post that has not much to do with my post that you are criticising. Where did I use the phrase, 'ski hub airport (s)'??
My point is that NCL seems to come at the very bottom of the pecking order when it comes to airports that companies give pax the option of flying from, coming behind the likes of Bournmouth and Doncaster (and the 13 others).
You are obviously a "glass half full" person when it comes to NCL, but unfortunately your optimism and enthusiasm for the airport is sadly mis-placed.
What a strange post that has not much to do with my post that you are criticising. Where did I use the phrase, 'ski hub airport (s)'??
My point is that NCL seems to come at the very bottom of the pecking order when it comes to airports that companies give pax the option of flying from, coming behind the likes of Bournmouth and Doncaster (and the 13 others).
You are obviously a "glass half full" person when it comes to NCL, but unfortunately your optimism and enthusiasm for the airport is sadly mis-placed.
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MUFC Fan - Why would the slots go to BLK if LS pulls LGW?
LS could not make MAN - LGW work so why from a much smaller catchement would BLK -LGW work. The North West has excellent fast rail links to London, granted from Fylde coast not so good but certainly from Preston etc, this limits the potential catchement area. A London service from BLK is never going to work on a 737. If FR could not make it work with prices that were lower than LS would offer then why would LS even attempt it.
If LS do drop LGW then id be suprised if BE or EZY picked up the route its been a poor performing route for a while now.
On the general LS theme though I don't think that its only NCL they may be having problems with, the arrival of EZY at MAN is going to hurt, recent events in respect of their share price also must put into jeopardy the possible long haul ambitions of LS as this is a risky venture at the best of times.
LS could not make MAN - LGW work so why from a much smaller catchement would BLK -LGW work. The North West has excellent fast rail links to London, granted from Fylde coast not so good but certainly from Preston etc, this limits the potential catchement area. A London service from BLK is never going to work on a 737. If FR could not make it work with prices that were lower than LS would offer then why would LS even attempt it.
If LS do drop LGW then id be suprised if BE or EZY picked up the route its been a poor performing route for a while now.
On the general LS theme though I don't think that its only NCL they may be having problems with, the arrival of EZY at MAN is going to hurt, recent events in respect of their share price also must put into jeopardy the possible long haul ambitions of LS as this is a risky venture at the best of times.
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LS have been a very good addition to NCL, not only providing routes previously unserved, but adding extra frequency to existing ones and giving NE travellers a choice. A big bonus is that they have provided a fair few aviation related jobs at NCL, jobs which are in strong demand and which they rarely become available! I have to agree in some parts with previous postings though. If the loads on the LGW route are not that good, then it is possible that LS will terminate the route. Lets remember that when BA used to operate it using 737 aircraft, the flights were busy but only due to the perks of a BA service (i.e the opportunity to connect to long and short haul services ex LGW and some business travellers using it as an alternative to LHR whilst retaining their BA 'points'). The majority of pax were connecting onwards, not to mention the number of BA/VS staff who utilised the route. I do think that LGW is a predominantly leisure route which is possible quite hard to make a profit on using a 737 sized aircraft, maybe smaller would be more beneficial?
Exisiting routes from NCL by LS seem to be doing ok. ORK, MJV, TFS, AGP, PMI and LGW will remain for the summer, with MAH and PSA returning. Only time will tell if competition on PMI, AGP and MJV will affect LS. There are, IMHO a number of untapped routes which LS could serve, maybe they're constantly monitoring demand? Lets not forget that LS are actually operating 1 charter service this year, maybe its the start of many - branching out to other markets?
What happened to VLC and LEI, were the loads on these routes poor so service was not re-started? Why not carry on LPA and ACE for the summer?
I do however have reservations over LS operating across the pond - all the reasons which, I think have been discussed on here before.
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Turkey obviously seems to be a very popular destination from NCL this year, with record numbers of flights to DLM, BJV, AYT and ADB. OHY alone have 10 weekly flights using 321, M88 and A300 aircraft, whilst we have an extra 2 FHY departures, along with 2 TOM and 5 TCX.
LS have been a very good addition to NCL, not only providing routes previously unserved, but adding extra frequency to existing ones and giving NE travellers a choice. A big bonus is that they have provided a fair few aviation related jobs at NCL, jobs which are in strong demand and which they rarely become available! I have to agree in some parts with previous postings though. If the loads on the LGW route are not that good, then it is possible that LS will terminate the route. Lets remember that when BA used to operate it using 737 aircraft, the flights were busy but only due to the perks of a BA service (i.e the opportunity to connect to long and short haul services ex LGW and some business travellers using it as an alternative to LHR whilst retaining their BA 'points'). The majority of pax were connecting onwards, not to mention the number of BA/VS staff who utilised the route. I do think that LGW is a predominantly leisure route which is possible quite hard to make a profit on using a 737 sized aircraft, maybe smaller would be more beneficial?
Exisiting routes from NCL by LS seem to be doing ok. ORK, MJV, TFS, AGP, PMI and LGW will remain for the summer, with MAH and PSA returning. Only time will tell if competition on PMI, AGP and MJV will affect LS. There are, IMHO a number of untapped routes which LS could serve, maybe they're constantly monitoring demand? Lets not forget that LS are actually operating 1 charter service this year, maybe its the start of many - branching out to other markets?
What happened to VLC and LEI, were the loads on these routes poor so service was not re-started? Why not carry on LPA and ACE for the summer?
I do however have reservations over LS operating across the pond - all the reasons which, I think have been discussed on here before.
Onur Air
Turkey obviously seems to be a very popular destination from NCL this year, with record numbers of flights to DLM, BJV, AYT and ADB. OHY alone have 10 weekly flights using 321, M88 and A300 aircraft, whilst we have an extra 2 FHY departures, along with 2 TOM and 5 TCX.
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You can phrase the question whatever way you wish, but precisely what are the W08 ski destination airports have you identified by
that NCL is NOT serving but fifteen other UK airports are?
My point is that NCL seems to come at the very bottom of the pecking order when it comes to airports that companies give pax the option of flying from,
I've been looking at a ski brochure for 08/09
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I think the VLC and LEI were not bad routes load wise but I think they make more on the AGP MJV TFS PSA and MAH and there is only 3 based units at NCL this summer so think they will only operate the top money earners.
With Jet2 leaning away from city routes and going down the charter market LGW would have been the first to go anyway as its never been a big money earner. Easyjet IMHO would make it work! they have a bigger presence at LGW than Jet2 and also are more popular both down south and up north. That tacky programme "Airline" got them into every household, as they say, no publicity is bad publicity, and for easyjet it seems right!
I think Jet2 are looking more into charter longhaul withthe possiblity of sched services to east coast USA. I dont have a problem crossing the atlantic on the LS 757s, I work on them on a regular basis, in fact lived on them most of the summer. Yes, there was a few probs during the summer which as always are highlited on here the minute they run 5 mins late, there is always some sado watching arrivals on the net getting ready to tell everyone else when an airline has a 2 min delay! but having worked on LS 757s for a while now I can honestly say I wouldnt have a problem being on it for 7 hours to JFK, Look at all the days it hasnt had problems and the sched had been on time or early (the ACE has been 25mins plus early every week for 3wks running now.... anyone report that?)
Rumours are a/c is to be re-configd to around 200 seats anyway so legroom will be ok!
With Jet2 leaning away from city routes and going down the charter market LGW would have been the first to go anyway as its never been a big money earner. Easyjet IMHO would make it work! they have a bigger presence at LGW than Jet2 and also are more popular both down south and up north. That tacky programme "Airline" got them into every household, as they say, no publicity is bad publicity, and for easyjet it seems right!
I think Jet2 are looking more into charter longhaul withthe possiblity of sched services to east coast USA. I dont have a problem crossing the atlantic on the LS 757s, I work on them on a regular basis, in fact lived on them most of the summer. Yes, there was a few probs during the summer which as always are highlited on here the minute they run 5 mins late, there is always some sado watching arrivals on the net getting ready to tell everyone else when an airline has a 2 min delay! but having worked on LS 757s for a while now I can honestly say I wouldnt have a problem being on it for 7 hours to JFK, Look at all the days it hasnt had problems and the sched had been on time or early (the ACE has been 25mins plus early every week for 3wks running now.... anyone report that?)
Rumours are a/c is to be re-configd to around 200 seats anyway so legroom will be ok!
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Channex101 you do make some very interesting points regarding LS operating long haul sched services to east coast USA. Reconfiguring aircraft to gain more space is a great idea, but I think the concern is that the airport authority and quite alot of punters would be more satisfied with an airline which has a connection network out of say NYC. It is only my opinion. Charters longhaul wise are all well and good, but the scheduled services generate so much more, including business investment, inbound tourism etc. Jet2 do seem to have their 757 fleet under control now, but yes delays do seem to be highlighted on here and certain airlines get the main targeting. Anyone remember FJE, they were always targeted by the local media, now it appears it is J2 who is in the sights for delay reporting!?
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Its looks as though the curtain is about to fall on the London Gatwick route.
(Yields (RPM's) are more important than seat no's)
Second: ETOPS will be starting in W08, although no details re routes as yet. ETOPS manuals and training have started to appear in aircraft libary and staff intranet.
Now, lets all get back to the thread about NCL airport and some more pressing issues like the state of the staff car park and routes for S08!!
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The brochure fell open at Valloire and Alpe d'Huez so that's 2 destinations. Flights from the other UK airports to Chambery,Lyon and Grenoble.
But not from NCL.
You can get to Andorra from several airports. But not NCL.
The brochure fell open at Valloire and Alpe d'Huez so that's 2 destinations. Flights from the other UK airports to Chambery,Lyon and Grenoble.
But not from NCL.
You can get to Andorra from several airports. But not NCL.
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Jet2 Gatwick.
If jet 2 will not be pulling the Gatwick. Why are they in discussions to sell their slots???? You cannot be 100% certain unless you are the one buying and selling the slots.
The staff Car park is a disgrace though
The staff Car park is a disgrace though
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You can get to Andorra from several airports. But not NCL.
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As far as charters go, Toulouse is used by most operators for Andorra. Only operator using Gerona I think is Airtours
Of course the speicalist operators use LoCos to Gerona/BCN as well
Of course the speicalist operators use LoCos to Gerona/BCN as well
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Toulouse is the airport they use, but holidays available from a few UK airports(including Southampton) but not NCL.
I had a look for the famous resorts of Courchevel, La Plagne, Les Arcs, Tignes, Val d'Isere and Val Thorens. Again, available from all the other UK aiports I mentioned before, also adding Coventry to the list(I didn't even know Coventry had an airport!), but no access from NCL.
I had a look for the famous resorts of Courchevel, La Plagne, Les Arcs, Tignes, Val d'Isere and Val Thorens. Again, available from all the other UK aiports I mentioned before, also adding Coventry to the list(I didn't even know Coventry had an airport!), but no access from NCL.
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I had a look for the famous resorts of Courchevel, La Plagne, Les Arcs, Tignes, Val d'Isere and Val Thorens. Again, available from all the other UK aiports I mentioned before, also adding Coventry to the list(I didn't even know Coventry had an airport!), but no access from NCL.