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Old 17th Nov 2007, 10:12
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GSM posted 4 Nov
Most recent post I can see has us down for a weekly B.738 to YHM via KEF , although I see we've got Transat back next summer.
Err... Not now ! appears that we have lost the wkly GSM NCL-YHM Curious one this, then we are now down to one flight per week on a shared Transat A310 for TCX? If so then another clear sign that NCL is loosing ground to other regions. Seems crazy that anyone posting on this thread is so blinkered as to suggest that a scheduled west bound long haul NYC,YYZ ex NCL is any nearer than it was 5 years ago
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Old 17th Nov 2007, 11:01
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Skyman - Have to agree with you on your assumption that we are no closer to a NYC link than 5 years ago. After a fantastic period of growth I now fear were NCL goes from here.

NCL also appears to be loosing out in terms of not picking up routes to the emerging new eastern European economies, for example next summer sees a drop of capacity to KRK with Jet2 dropping the route.

Surerely the bucket and spade routes can't be the only viable ones from NCL. If this is the case then the airports future growth is in serious danger.
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Old 17th Nov 2007, 13:02
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Surerely the bucket and spade routes can't be the only viable ones from NCL
They certain aren't, they are however significant in the contribution to overall pax volume. Many of historic scheduled routes to main hubs do very well. It is to a great extent that the performance on these routes reflects the local ecconomic conditions. If these routes attract only minimal traffic from outside the region, then it will be extremely interesting to note upon it's first anniversary the effect that EK has had on the 'traditional equilbrium' of BA,KLM & AF in particular.
As NCL compares well in terms of facilities against many of it's competitors who it would apppear are faring significantly better in terms of current - projected growth, then the obvious conclusion has to be that at NCL any decline in traffic has no bearing on the airport facilities but simply that supply has exceeded demand on many of the current offerings (which are also more sensitive to seasonal conditions), resulting in inferior returns being obtained compared with those that are anticipated elsewhere.
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Old 17th Nov 2007, 15:40
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Whatever we are discussing, NCL certainly looks set to loose passenger numbers next year against those this year. Some of this loss is obvious due to the consolidtion within the charter groups but I still firmly believe that not all geordies want the likes of ALC, PMI and AGP for their leisure trips! Though looking at the frequency of such flights, I am quite wrong. Shame to loose such routes as JTR, VLC, LEI etc.

Emirates seem to have their hands full tonight - quite a lengthy delay, still a definate bonus for the NCL route network. Lets hope load factors and yields are good, enough to sustain expansion.
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Old 17th Nov 2007, 19:39
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I realise its early days but to date the Emirates has had no effect on pax numbers to AMS with KL. Heathrow is showing an increase in pax nos.( could all change though) The AF to CDG should benefit from the reduction by Easyjet from two to one flight on weekdays.( no day return available with Easyjet only AF now)
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 12:35
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Things are very quiet at the moment.

We should be getting news of the Flybe Summer 08 schedules any time now and rumours abound of an announcement soon from Air Berlin.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 15:18
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I believe Tuesday is the day for Flybe summer 08 route announcements.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 15:39
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Are any new routes expected other than the increase of JER? Will LIG make a return for summer 08?
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 18:04
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think we might have a nice surprise from flybe!!
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 18:55
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Really, do you know something the rest of us don't?

Hopefully over the next few months, NCL may see a small amount of investment by both airlines and management - we don't want to be going stale!
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 19:23
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Forever the optimist HH!

Hope i'm wrong, i dont expect anything new.

However i do think BHX, ABZ and CWL routes would succeed, and perhaps a route to the Brest peninsula.

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Old 25th Nov 2007, 20:33
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optimist always!

im hoping for those promised routes to germany and france!
Anybody know if BE are getting any of those SAS q400's?
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 09:05
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Centre fix 25

Why would you want Flybe to operate flights that are already served by another airline, why not operate to new destinations?
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 09:21
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I say bring on a Ryanair base, and allow some real competition and low fares to the North East

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Old 26th Nov 2007, 11:13
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Easyjet fares

Has anyone noticed on the NCL airport website Easyjet are advertising summer 2008 fares from £49.99 one way(no destination specified). Similar banner ads also appear on several other websites.
Yet in the local press last week it was advertising Spain, Portugal and France from NCL from £39.99 one way, again summer 2008.
Bit confusing, and are these "from" fares not quite expensive for a loco, ie by implication Stansted, Bristol, Belfast starting from £99.98 return, although it does include taxes. Or is it just me being mean.
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 13:04
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A recent posting on the LBA thread from someone claiming to be 'in the know' makes interesting reading & appears consistent with all that is 'NOT' happening at NCL at present
NYC flights are not operating from NCL, Why would they trial it in MAN if it was gonna operate from NCL. Infact the NCL base is the only non profitable base for jet2 so i can only see a reduction in services .
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 13:08
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Why would you want Flybe to operate flights that are already served by another airline, why not operate to new destinations?
My post doesnt say 'i want', it lists routes i personally think would succeed.

The Eastern Airways business model is aimed at a niche market who are prepared and capable of paying premium prices. These prices are out of the range of the average leisure traveller (me), and i'm sure there are thousands who would use the afore mentioned routes if it were within their price range.
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 13:13
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Anybody know if BE are getting any of those SAS q400's?
Not a chance. They have the oldest Q400 fleet, and Flybe have 30+ orders already with Bombardier for nice shiney new ones. The seating plan and galley fit is also different on the 2 airlines.

Don't hold your breath for any startling new announcements out of NCL with BE either.
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 14:23
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Jet 2

"The NCL base is the only non profitable base for Jet2"

They must be loosing a fortune on the LGW, going by the loads and the ticket prices. Is this route causing the base to be unprofitable if that statement is correct !. Very surprised its still going, and its bookable for next summer ??.
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 15:09
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Maybe Ryanair are coming, perhaps that's the real reason that easy and jet2 are cutting back.
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