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eu01,I am baffled as to why you are so negative about RYR, unless you happen to work for Aer Lingus. RYR made an operating profit last year and has a strong cash position. It carries more pax than any other airliner and is expanding rapidly. I am a regular RYR passeenger and have to tell you that the principal customer service feature of the entire industry (punctuality) is excelllent in RYR.
I have flown on EIN in the last few months. Ground handling was hopeless at DUB and the flight was late without any apology.
I have flown on EIN in the last few months. Ground handling was hopeless at DUB and the flight was late without any apology.
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eu01 is not negative to FR. he is just suggesting another strategy that he believes would be more successful in the long run.
I would agree with turning FR a bit more customer centred. On the other hand I would suggest that this has partly (although on a small scale) already been done with better (up from nil) service for rebooking as well as several reports about expenses actually reimbursed by FR to passengers when flights have been cancelled.
Still the connection bit is totally against the current strategy for the point-to-point airline.
I would agree with turning FR a bit more customer centred. On the other hand I would suggest that this has partly (although on a small scale) already been done with better (up from nil) service for rebooking as well as several reports about expenses actually reimbursed by FR to passengers when flights have been cancelled.
Still the connection bit is totally against the current strategy for the point-to-point airline.
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Condemned to grow...
Hi,
Slide 14 of the presentation of full year results caught my attention:
By September 2010, Ryanair's fleet is due to grow from 181 (Mar 09) to 258. This includes disposals of older aircraft (only 3 disposals appear to be planned, according to the slide). This is a net gain of 77 aircraft over an 18 month period. The slide suggests that they have secured financing for all but 7 of these aircraft. Now all they have to do is work out what to do with them all!
Depending on the scale of capacity reductions by other european airlines and the size of the deals that FR may or may not have secured with their existing and new airports, this is either an absolutely brilliant or a completely idiotic and suicidal plan ...
Slide 14 of the presentation of full year results caught my attention:
By September 2010, Ryanair's fleet is due to grow from 181 (Mar 09) to 258. This includes disposals of older aircraft (only 3 disposals appear to be planned, according to the slide). This is a net gain of 77 aircraft over an 18 month period. The slide suggests that they have secured financing for all but 7 of these aircraft. Now all they have to do is work out what to do with them all!
Depending on the scale of capacity reductions by other european airlines and the size of the deals that FR may or may not have secured with their existing and new airports, this is either an absolutely brilliant or a completely idiotic and suicidal plan ...
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Yeah but where are they going to get the aircraft from and at what price? Airbus has already said they are not willing to do tango given that MOL screwed them over at the last minute and signed with Boeing. There is no incentive for Boeing to give him any significant discount. Will take lots of his most famed 9.99 fares to cover this one.
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For clarification, the aircraft mentioned in the slide have already been ordered (from Boeing, oddly enough) under exisiting contracts.
As I recall, the talk of 200+ new orders was for 2012 onwards, when the existing contracts run out.
As I recall, the talk of 200+ new orders was for 2012 onwards, when the existing contracts run out.
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"This is a net gain of 77 aircraft over an 18 month period." Quote, Anna List.
If each aircraft cost approx 30million US dollars, 77 x 30mUSD =2.31 BillionUSD
As of yet, no work for these machines.
What are Ryanairs cash reserves?
Is the emperor wearing any clothes?
If each aircraft cost approx 30million US dollars, 77 x 30mUSD =2.31 BillionUSD
As of yet, no work for these machines.
What are Ryanairs cash reserves?
Is the emperor wearing any clothes?
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To some extent Ryanair's cash reserves are irrellevant. Company's generally prefer to use someone else's money to invest and buy assets. What matters is whether they have sufficent revenue coming into the business to service that borrowing....
Ryanair does, I believe, have some serious thinking to do in the coming 12-18 months - a point eu01 made earlier. As Anna List has pointed out 77 aircraft are due to join the fleet by the end of 2010. They have to go somewhere and when they do they need to be pretty full of pax to generate that revenue. Ryanair has been burning as many bridges as it has been building in the last 12 months and IMHO that can only go on for so long before they run out of options for new bases, or before booking a flight with them becomes such a tedious experience people will look elsewhere and even pay a bit more to avoid much of the hassles involved.
Ryanair does, I believe, have some serious thinking to do in the coming 12-18 months - a point eu01 made earlier. As Anna List has pointed out 77 aircraft are due to join the fleet by the end of 2010. They have to go somewhere and when they do they need to be pretty full of pax to generate that revenue. Ryanair has been burning as many bridges as it has been building in the last 12 months and IMHO that can only go on for so long before they run out of options for new bases, or before booking a flight with them becomes such a tedious experience people will look elsewhere and even pay a bit more to avoid much of the hassles involved.
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Currently passengers are charged £10 to put a bag into the hold.
Passengers who are willing to do this would see the cost of checking in a bag reduced, but the airline was unable to say by how much.
Only get charged £9.99 to put it in the hold yourself then.
Passengers who are willing to do this would see the cost of checking in a bag reduced, but the airline was unable to say by how much.
Only get charged £9.99 to put it in the hold yourself then.
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Removal of 2 of the toilets on the 737??? MOL said in the telegraph article that if 2 toilets could be removed, he could add another 6 seats! Are the FR 737's not already configured with 189 seats? I thought this was the maximum that the aircraft was certified to carry?
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FR will get 77 a/c but I think they'll sell alot of them, too. Crazy if their fleet will be 258 by September 2010.
May statistics:
passengers: 5.51 m (5.06) +9%
load factor: 81% (80%)
May statistics:
passengers: 5.51 m (5.06) +9%
load factor: 81% (80%)
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"Removal of 2 of the toilets on the 737??? MOL said in the telegraph article that if 2 toilets could be removed, he could add another 6 seats! Are the FR 737's not already configured with 189 seats? I thought this was the maximum that the aircraft was certified to carry? "
Have people not learned not to take everything this guy says seriously yet?
Have people not learned not to take everything this guy says seriously yet?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Fit for a Queen
Queen's £13 Ryanair trip to London
Queen Sofia of Spain has joined the budget jet set - by taking a £13 flight to London.
The thrifty 70-year-old travelled with Ryanair from Spain to Stansted, on Sunday. Her frugal flight was to see her brother Constantine, the former King of Greece, who has just had heart surgery.
Yesterday, the Spanish Palace said: "Members of the Royal Family regularly travel on scheduled flights."
It is in marked contrast to our Royals. In April, Prince Charles and Camilla chartered a jet for a five-day tour of Europe, at a cost of £80,000.
Queen Sofia of Spain has joined the budget jet set - by taking a £13 flight to London.
The thrifty 70-year-old travelled with Ryanair from Spain to Stansted, on Sunday. Her frugal flight was to see her brother Constantine, the former King of Greece, who has just had heart surgery.
Yesterday, the Spanish Palace said: "Members of the Royal Family regularly travel on scheduled flights."
It is in marked contrast to our Royals. In April, Prince Charles and Camilla chartered a jet for a five-day tour of Europe, at a cost of £80,000.
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To be clear. I'm not generally negative about FR, not at all. There are some reasons why I might consider myself as their supporter, albeit a very cautious and an attentive one.
To begin with, I appreciate the modesty in human behaviour, the individuals' ability to act in an unpretentious way, without prodigality. These values are probably typical for Ryanair customers, they are also kind of smart people, it's a positive thing. Secondly, Ryanair has been very effective economically. Even if some deals behind the scene might bother, the firm's efficiency has been impressive indeed. I also support the travel industry, tourism in general – and FR makes a great job in facilitating it.
What I criticize, is Ryanair's ill approach to marketing. "We are the cheapest" message is a very convincing one especially as the statement is mostly true. Unfortunately, for FR it has been the one and only marketing tool, paired with some more or less irritating publicity to promote it. It's not enough. The lack of marketing diversity is, in fact, the factor hampering their own development. The enormous potential they have created so far could (and should) result in further growth, the pace of it seems essential for them to thrive (and... on some stage to survive???) in the future as well. Should we blame solely the present crisis that they are being unable to sustain the speed?
MOL has been extremely successful in creating his low-cost model's phase one, ”creation and fast spread”. Anybody in doubt? Considering the one-sidedness of their marketing approach, it's a great achievement. The carrier, however, has become so satisfied with its own past results that it didn't notice any need to change the model and create something different for the phase two "get even more customers, keep pace with the objectives". The new vision is not there, not a hint of any innovative moves. If anything is annoying me, it's just that. My criticism is not a negativity, though. Having myself many improvements in mind, I'm just curious why don't they even try to improve the "old" business model, that's all.
To begin with, I appreciate the modesty in human behaviour, the individuals' ability to act in an unpretentious way, without prodigality. These values are probably typical for Ryanair customers, they are also kind of smart people, it's a positive thing. Secondly, Ryanair has been very effective economically. Even if some deals behind the scene might bother, the firm's efficiency has been impressive indeed. I also support the travel industry, tourism in general – and FR makes a great job in facilitating it.
What I criticize, is Ryanair's ill approach to marketing. "We are the cheapest" message is a very convincing one especially as the statement is mostly true. Unfortunately, for FR it has been the one and only marketing tool, paired with some more or less irritating publicity to promote it. It's not enough. The lack of marketing diversity is, in fact, the factor hampering their own development. The enormous potential they have created so far could (and should) result in further growth, the pace of it seems essential for them to thrive (and... on some stage to survive???) in the future as well. Should we blame solely the present crisis that they are being unable to sustain the speed?
MOL has been extremely successful in creating his low-cost model's phase one, ”creation and fast spread”. Anybody in doubt? Considering the one-sidedness of their marketing approach, it's a great achievement. The carrier, however, has become so satisfied with its own past results that it didn't notice any need to change the model and create something different for the phase two "get even more customers, keep pace with the objectives". The new vision is not there, not a hint of any innovative moves. If anything is annoying me, it's just that. My criticism is not a negativity, though. Having myself many improvements in mind, I'm just curious why don't they even try to improve the "old" business model, that's all.
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MOL says not for 12 months. Apparently they are in talks with Boeing about modifying the toilets on board. I assume this would just be the addition of some kind of lock in which you insert a coin. This is just what I heard during an interview with MOL on either the BBC or ITV news yesterday, can't remember which.
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