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"MO'L's one weak spot is his love for all things Irish over business logic."
Axing routes in Cork?
The Dublin Airport Authority?
The Irish Goverment?
The Irish Congress Of Trade Unions?
Don't think so.
"MO'L's one weak spot is his love for all things Irish over business logic."
Axing routes in Cork?
The Dublin Airport Authority?
The Irish Goverment?
The Irish Congress Of Trade Unions?
Don't think so.
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a new continental route amazing...
Liverpool didnt work, was a complete flop. So in a bid to appease Ryanair they are probably offering Ryanair a continental route with no fees at all, so as to stop Ryanair pushing for reduced fees on the Dublin route??
It would have to be a German route to say Dusseldorf (summer only) or Malaga (weekly) or the canaries?
Liverpool didnt work, was a complete flop. So in a bid to appease Ryanair they are probably offering Ryanair a continental route with no fees at all, so as to stop Ryanair pushing for reduced fees on the Dublin route??
It would have to be a German route to say Dusseldorf (summer only) or Malaga (weekly) or the canaries?
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FR @ Kerry
Kerry is an example of Ryanair's (perhaps understandable) Irish-centric view of the world. Would they bother flying there if it were not in Ireland?
For those that have any interest in such things, here are the passenger figures and flown load factors for Ryanair's Kerry routes (assuming B738 on all flights). The usual comments about loads and yields apply.
STN - KIR used by at least 140k pax every year since 2004:
2005 147k pax, 68%
2006 149k pax, 73%
2007 156k pax, 74%
2008 68k pax, 65% (Jan - Jun)
LTN - KIR had a very weak first winter:
2007 3k pax, 42%
2008 17k pax, 57% (Jan - Jun)
LPL - KIR - a bit of a dog
2006-7 18k pax, 53% (Jun 06 to Jan 07)
HHN - KIR - perhaps the most impressive of the lot, especially as critics might describe it as a flight from a field in the middle of nowhere to a field in the middle of nowhere. Seemed to suffer in 2005/6 when HHN-SNN was increased to 3 / 4 times weekly, before being dropped. These days HHN-KIR is daily in Summer and 4x weekly in the Winter.
2004 105k pax, 77%
2005 100k pax, 74%
2006 90k pax, 71%
2007 86k pax, 77%
I presume that now the HHN-KIR route is operated by a KIR based aircraft, this will allow the new route when HHN is reduced for the Winter.
Ryanair will need to be careful with their choice of route - their experiences with HHN to KIR and SNN suggest that they could easily damage existing routes out of Shannon (which wouldn't take much). For this reason, Weeze NRN might not be a great idea. There were rumours about Reus or Rome, but the latter seems unlikely given the slot availability at Rome CIA and the fact that they couldn't make it work from Shannon.
For those that have any interest in such things, here are the passenger figures and flown load factors for Ryanair's Kerry routes (assuming B738 on all flights). The usual comments about loads and yields apply.
STN - KIR used by at least 140k pax every year since 2004:
2005 147k pax, 68%
2006 149k pax, 73%
2007 156k pax, 74%
2008 68k pax, 65% (Jan - Jun)
LTN - KIR had a very weak first winter:
2007 3k pax, 42%
2008 17k pax, 57% (Jan - Jun)
LPL - KIR - a bit of a dog
2006-7 18k pax, 53% (Jun 06 to Jan 07)
HHN - KIR - perhaps the most impressive of the lot, especially as critics might describe it as a flight from a field in the middle of nowhere to a field in the middle of nowhere. Seemed to suffer in 2005/6 when HHN-SNN was increased to 3 / 4 times weekly, before being dropped. These days HHN-KIR is daily in Summer and 4x weekly in the Winter.
2004 105k pax, 77%
2005 100k pax, 74%
2006 90k pax, 71%
2007 86k pax, 77%
I presume that now the HHN-KIR route is operated by a KIR based aircraft, this will allow the new route when HHN is reduced for the Winter.
Ryanair will need to be careful with their choice of route - their experiences with HHN to KIR and SNN suggest that they could easily damage existing routes out of Shannon (which wouldn't take much). For this reason, Weeze NRN might not be a great idea. There were rumours about Reus or Rome, but the latter seems unlikely given the slot availability at Rome CIA and the fact that they couldn't make it work from Shannon.
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Don't think Palma, as Ryanair are in a row with the airport over charges hence the reason that all Ryanair services to Palma are suspended for 6 weeks in November and December.
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Whilst not yet aquiting themselves in much overall glory the Cork Airport Authority's unwillingness to offer Ryanair any incentive support for a proposed ski flight to Turin and this week's bold decision to stand up to Mr O'Leary in the light of the airline's announcement of the pulling of EMA and PIK routes in the face of such outlandish comment against Cork is to be commended and has done more for the credibility of the Cork Airport Authority than anything else has done to date. Isn't it bizarre how things turn out - MO'L pulls two routes from Cork and the capital of the CAA goes up! Yes, Ryanair have won the battle on this one but this has weakened the the company overall in Cork and the day is now look forwarded to when there are no longer any Ryanair aeroplanes left in Cork. May that day come sooner rather than later.
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Another Ryanair ploy to be aware of: I booked a number of 'online checkin' tickets before 3 June 2008, so they still included free priority boarding under the T&C's at that time. On printing the Check N'Go boarding pass this morning, no mention of priority boarding. Not a huge problem and I have no intention of (a) buying priority boarding or (b) calling Ryanair at Lord knows how much per minute to query it.
Others may want/need to be aware of this.
Others may want/need to be aware of this.
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As I have just written in the Easyjet topic
In contrast to the recent action taken by Ryanair to cancel bookings made by travel agencies through screen scraping, Easyjet is providing an alternative legitimate booking channel for business travel agencies, while maintaining a firm stance against unlicensed screen scraping. Most screen scraping systems are voluntarily switching off screen scraping to move to the Application Programming Interface (API) channel. Having direct connections to Easyjet’s fares (through API) the travel management companies are able to display them in their own booking environment.
While EZY is looking for compromises, Ryanair is not. Interestingly, while the easyjet.com site has been working very smoothly, ryanair.com struggles constantly to cope with its basic tasks. Even though some screenscrapers supposedly gave up, the site has been very slow today... again and again. These system problems are still waiting to be fully acknowledged by the carrier, who prefers to scapegoat others instead.
While EZY is looking for compromises, Ryanair is not. Interestingly, while the easyjet.com site has been working very smoothly, ryanair.com struggles constantly to cope with its basic tasks. Even though some screenscrapers supposedly gave up, the site has been very slow today... again and again. These system problems are still waiting to be fully acknowledged by the carrier, who prefers to scapegoat others instead.
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MOL was quite bullish on ITV's Tonight programme.
On the question of fuel costs, which he says, will pass £1.3bn next year, he will NOT cause any fuel surcharges. "Not today, not tomorrow not ever." He also expects to break even next year.
For sure, he is no fool.
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On the question of fuel costs, which he says, will pass £1.3bn next year, he will NOT cause any fuel surcharges. "Not today, not tomorrow not ever." He also expects to break even next year.
For sure, he is no fool.
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I watched that to. A very intresting programme and i have to 
Michael for not answering soo stupid questions such as
'which airlines will go bust in the next year' to which he replied
'i can not predict that, a large airline can go bust, a small one can that is just unpredictable' or something of that.
Michael for not answering soo stupid questions such as 'which airlines will go bust in the next year' to which he replied
'i can not predict that, a large airline can go bust, a small one can that is just unpredictable' or something of that.
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ORK - EMA and ORK - PIK
There's been a lot written about the dropping of these two routes here and on the Cork thread. Here are some stats:
ORK - EMA: first half of 2008: 36k pax, Average flown LF: 57%. The route has one of the worst LFs from the EMA base.
In addition, as has been pointed out earlier, the combined effect of this route and BHX - SNN (35k pax, LF: 59%) has had a dramatic impact on EMA - SNN (29k pax, LF 47%, collapsing from 48.5k pax and an LF of 71% for the same period last year and now the worst LF from EMA).
It would appear that there simply isn't enough traffic to sustain these three routes plus EI/WW on BHX-ORK.
ORK - PIK: first half of 2008: 37k pax, Average flown LF: 54%. The route has worst LF from the PIK base. And the second worst? By some strange coincidence, the 2nd worst is PIK - SNN (35k pax, 54% LF), which was already weak (39k pax and 58% LF for the first half of last year).
As is happening on an increasing number of routes, FR's biggest competitor is themselves. Some overlapping markets are not large enough.
Personally, with stats like these, I can't imagine that carriers will be queueing up to replace services on these routes.
ORK - EMA: first half of 2008: 36k pax, Average flown LF: 57%. The route has one of the worst LFs from the EMA base.
In addition, as has been pointed out earlier, the combined effect of this route and BHX - SNN (35k pax, LF: 59%) has had a dramatic impact on EMA - SNN (29k pax, LF 47%, collapsing from 48.5k pax and an LF of 71% for the same period last year and now the worst LF from EMA).
It would appear that there simply isn't enough traffic to sustain these three routes plus EI/WW on BHX-ORK.
ORK - PIK: first half of 2008: 37k pax, Average flown LF: 54%. The route has worst LF from the PIK base. And the second worst? By some strange coincidence, the 2nd worst is PIK - SNN (35k pax, 54% LF), which was already weak (39k pax and 58% LF for the first half of last year).
As is happening on an increasing number of routes, FR's biggest competitor is themselves. Some overlapping markets are not large enough.
Personally, with stats like these, I can't imagine that carriers will be queueing up to replace services on these routes.
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Always good to read your posts as they always do make alot of sense! Surely Glasgow would warrant an ATR42 daily? I thought that Aer Arann would jump at a chance to operate Glasgow.
Shannon/Prestwick has always been quite low on the boardings in the past. I think alot of these services out of Shannon are similar with the exception of the London routes.
I think that we will see Ryanair dropping some Shannon routes in the very near future, I simply dont believe that a 5 strong (or is it 4) fleet is warranted at Shannon for short hauld flights? What do you think?
However, as has been stated on here, SAA will have to agree to Ryanair's terms?
Always good to read your posts as they always do make alot of sense! Surely Glasgow would warrant an ATR42 daily? I thought that Aer Arann would jump at a chance to operate Glasgow.
Shannon/Prestwick has always been quite low on the boardings in the past. I think alot of these services out of Shannon are similar with the exception of the London routes.
I think that we will see Ryanair dropping some Shannon routes in the very near future, I simply dont believe that a 5 strong (or is it 4) fleet is warranted at Shannon for short hauld flights? What do you think?
However, as has been stated on here, SAA will have to agree to Ryanair's terms?
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FR launches 16 new routes
CUF-BHX
CUF-DUB
CUF-STN
GNB-BHX
GNB-BRS
GNB-EDI
GNB-KIR
KLU-GSE
KLU-NYO
STN-LDE (!)
TRN-BOH
TRN-EDI
TRN-EMA
TRN-LPL
TRN-PIK
TRN-SNN
source: theairdb.com
CUF-DUB
CUF-STN
GNB-BHX
GNB-BRS
GNB-EDI
GNB-KIR
KLU-GSE
KLU-NYO
STN-LDE (!)
TRN-BOH
TRN-EDI
TRN-EMA
TRN-LPL
TRN-PIK
TRN-SNN
source: theairdb.com