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May individual route analysis
Schedule only - passengers figures from the CAA, load factors are my
estimates from a bhx blog and libhomeradar.
Stat of the month - Paris. Down about a 1000 pax but 64 less flights due
to the tie-up between flybe and Air France. That is quite staggering which
some would say is bad for competition but great for efficiencies.
Note the Frankfurt - increase but the load factor suggests the flybe pax
will have an alternative if they want or their pockets allow.
DUBLIN 44805/132 pax 72%
AMSTERDAM 41158/98 pax/77%
DUBAI 36953/298 pax/70%
PALMA DE MALLORCA 14969/150 pax/79%
MALAGA 27517/160 pax/80%
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)27131/78 pax/75%
FRANKFURT MAIN 26389/79 pax/60%
ALICANTE 22697/142 pax/75%
FARO 18682/151 pax/78%
DALAMAN 4646/179 pax/84%
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)/13585/154/76%
DUSSELDORF 16538/50 pax/56%
ZURICH 13222/71 pax/71%
ARRECIFE 7743/149 pax/74%
MUNICH 13079/78 pax/75%
LARNACA 4815/172 pax/80%
BRUSSELS 11396/47 pax/55%
IBIZA 5083/150 pax/77%
PAPHOS 2977/165 pax/77%
MAHON 6542/182 pax/85%
NEW YORK (NEWARK) 9570/154 pax/84%
MURCIA SAN JAVIER 8576/148 pax/80%
ISLAMABAD 8553/238 pax/69%
LAS PALMAS 5568/155 pax/77%
FUERTEVENTURA 4989/147 pax/73%
HANOVER 5612/55 pax/71%
COPENHAGEN 7383/80 pax/69%
REUS 3781/145 pax/77%
BODRUM (MILAS)738/123 pax/57%
CORK 6578/53 pax/74%
ASHKHABAD 4860/135 pax/71%
GERONA 3768/145 pax/77%
MILAN (MALPENSA)4670/75 pax/64%
BYDGOSZCZ 4535/174 pax/92%
BRATISLAVA 4435/171 pax/90%
MALTA 2957/164 pax/87%
ISTANBUL 4049/92 pax/62%
STUTTGART 3804/41 pax/53%
IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK 3776/105 pax/70%
LYON 3270/34 pax/68%
ALMERIA 3187/177 pax/83%
TORONTO 3139/314 pax/91%
KATOWICE 3109/173%/91%
NICE 3104/97 pax/65%
RZESZOW 3068/170 pax/90%
SHANNON 3001/48 pax/67%
GDANSK 2943/164 pax/87%
KAUNAS 2873/160 pax/84%
MONTPELLIER 2535/98 pax/52%
HAMBURG 2360/38 pax/48%
TRIESTE (RONCHI DEI LEGIONARI) 2180/121 pax/64%
GOTEBORG 1501/28 pax/60%
WATERFORD 1220/34 pax/70%
BERGERAC 1031/33 pax/41%
IMAM KHOMIENI 993/124 pax/64%
BORDEAUX 327/33 pax/42%
BREST 156/39 pax/50%
LA ROCHELLE 140/35 pax/45%
TOULOUSE (BLAGNAC) 139/35 pax/45%
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estimates from a bhx blog and libhomeradar.
Stat of the month - Paris. Down about a 1000 pax but 64 less flights due
to the tie-up between flybe and Air France. That is quite staggering which
some would say is bad for competition but great for efficiencies.
Note the Frankfurt - increase but the load factor suggests the flybe pax
will have an alternative if they want or their pockets allow.
DUBLIN 44805/132 pax 72%
AMSTERDAM 41158/98 pax/77%
DUBAI 36953/298 pax/70%
PALMA DE MALLORCA 14969/150 pax/79%
MALAGA 27517/160 pax/80%
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)27131/78 pax/75%
FRANKFURT MAIN 26389/79 pax/60%
ALICANTE 22697/142 pax/75%
FARO 18682/151 pax/78%
DALAMAN 4646/179 pax/84%
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)/13585/154/76%
DUSSELDORF 16538/50 pax/56%
ZURICH 13222/71 pax/71%
ARRECIFE 7743/149 pax/74%
MUNICH 13079/78 pax/75%
LARNACA 4815/172 pax/80%
BRUSSELS 11396/47 pax/55%
IBIZA 5083/150 pax/77%
PAPHOS 2977/165 pax/77%
MAHON 6542/182 pax/85%
NEW YORK (NEWARK) 9570/154 pax/84%
MURCIA SAN JAVIER 8576/148 pax/80%
ISLAMABAD 8553/238 pax/69%
LAS PALMAS 5568/155 pax/77%
FUERTEVENTURA 4989/147 pax/73%
HANOVER 5612/55 pax/71%
COPENHAGEN 7383/80 pax/69%
REUS 3781/145 pax/77%
BODRUM (MILAS)738/123 pax/57%
CORK 6578/53 pax/74%
ASHKHABAD 4860/135 pax/71%
GERONA 3768/145 pax/77%
MILAN (MALPENSA)4670/75 pax/64%
BYDGOSZCZ 4535/174 pax/92%
BRATISLAVA 4435/171 pax/90%
MALTA 2957/164 pax/87%
ISTANBUL 4049/92 pax/62%
STUTTGART 3804/41 pax/53%
IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK 3776/105 pax/70%
LYON 3270/34 pax/68%
ALMERIA 3187/177 pax/83%
TORONTO 3139/314 pax/91%
KATOWICE 3109/173%/91%
NICE 3104/97 pax/65%
RZESZOW 3068/170 pax/90%
SHANNON 3001/48 pax/67%
GDANSK 2943/164 pax/87%
KAUNAS 2873/160 pax/84%
MONTPELLIER 2535/98 pax/52%
HAMBURG 2360/38 pax/48%
TRIESTE (RONCHI DEI LEGIONARI) 2180/121 pax/64%
GOTEBORG 1501/28 pax/60%
WATERFORD 1220/34 pax/70%
BERGERAC 1031/33 pax/41%
IMAM KHOMIENI 993/124 pax/64%
BORDEAUX 327/33 pax/42%
BREST 156/39 pax/50%
LA ROCHELLE 140/35 pax/45%
TOULOUSE (BLAGNAC) 139/35 pax/45%
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Great to see YYZ at 91%, worrying to see 'leisure' routes like MPL, LRH, BES, TLS, TRS etc languishing in the 50's and 60's. IST still not faring well but one thing you can give TK is persistence, but for how much longer will that last? Maybe yields are good?
Taken from the MAN thread, only an individual opinion of course but just can't in my wildest dreams imagine a similar statement being made about BHX in the near or indeed distant future
I see that they have now regained Norwegian to OSL as well. And the only cards being played by FR and BE at BHX are no cards.....
Taken from the MAN thread, only an individual opinion of course but just can't in my wildest dreams imagine a similar statement being made about BHX in the near or indeed distant future
Overall I think the recovery at Manchester is definately more than green shoots. This is quite evident now, especially with Madrid and Berlin links back, as well as some downright exiting (and hopefully successful) new routes from Easyjet like Bilbao. With Easyjet clearly committed to MAN, Jet 2 and Monarch likewise and with the prospect of interesting potential destinations like Bologna and Seville potentially on the cards for next year, as well as the new Jet2 'new' offerings to Barcelona, Toulouse, Bergamo and Paris, it will be now be interesting to see how both Flybe and Ryanair play their cards.
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Flybe French routes
Don't take too much notice of those French routes,as some only started at the end of the month and inbounds would have been light.
There is a slight improvement with the Turkish loads so a little bit of hope.
Emirates is a slight worry even if May is traditionally a poor month but it was also the first of Manchester's three daily service -co-incidence or not?
A little bit of comfort for BHX re UA/CO about APD, from the BFS thread:-
"He said that the airline was "very concerned" at any fall-off in demand caused by travellers by passing the country (Northern Ireland) so as to avoide paying the tax. "The problem we have in Belfast is one which we do not have in other UK cities, the likes of Birmingham or Manchester."
End of quote
Pete
There is a slight improvement with the Turkish loads so a little bit of hope.
Emirates is a slight worry even if May is traditionally a poor month but it was also the first of Manchester's three daily service -co-incidence or not?
A little bit of comfort for BHX re UA/CO about APD, from the BFS thread:-
"He said that the airline was "very concerned" at any fall-off in demand caused by travellers by passing the country (Northern Ireland) so as to avoide paying the tax. "The problem we have in Belfast is one which we do not have in other UK cities, the likes of Birmingham or Manchester."
End of quote
Pete
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BHX Airport..... Doncha just love it?
Can any one tell me if a pilot had any input WHATSOEVER into the orientation of the runway at BHX?
This place is a not the most pleasant place to work into when the wind is more than 10kts from certain directions. Take a look at the position of local buildings, hangers, local topography etc etc. It doesn't need an runway extension, it does need putting on a turn table.
It also scares the s"#t out of pax which will ultimately put them off from using this airport... This comes from a friend who has no fear of flying whatsoever, but has looked into it after a rather rough turbo-prop flight. not that it's only turpo props that find it very rough getting into BHX?
What do you think?
FK10
This place is a not the most pleasant place to work into when the wind is more than 10kts from certain directions. Take a look at the position of local buildings, hangers, local topography etc etc. It doesn't need an runway extension, it does need putting on a turn table.
It also scares the s"#t out of pax which will ultimately put them off from using this airport... This comes from a friend who has no fear of flying whatsoever, but has looked into it after a rather rough turbo-prop flight. not that it's only turpo props that find it very rough getting into BHX?
What do you think?
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I believe BHX is Birmingham Airport, which was opened in 1939. If passengers were going to be put off using it, one might imagine they would have done so by now.
When they needed a longer runway they discovered (?) there was a railway line at one end of RW 24 and a housing estate at the other end which sort of precluded any idea of a runway extension.
So RW33 was lengthened (in 1966 I think for jet traffic) but, don't we all know it, it's almost permanently crosswind!
If you thinks it's challenging now it was even more interesting before the ILS was installed on RW15 with a low cloudbase so you had to make the approach on RW33 often with a wind around 220/15-20 kts - nothing like landing with a quartering tailwind/crosswind in the lee of the hangars after a long duty day - good game! (and yes those lovely gradients around the threshold)
A good opportunity to practice those cross wind skills.
Then again if you want a longer runway more into the prevailing wind then go a few miles down the road to Coventry (I jest here since I am not sure of the current status of Coventry airport) where RW 23 is level with a better approach albeit not quite as long as BHX RW 33.
There again, that's what flying is all about.
So RW33 was lengthened (in 1966 I think for jet traffic) but, don't we all know it, it's almost permanently crosswind!
If you thinks it's challenging now it was even more interesting before the ILS was installed on RW15 with a low cloudbase so you had to make the approach on RW33 often with a wind around 220/15-20 kts - nothing like landing with a quartering tailwind/crosswind in the lee of the hangars after a long duty day - good game! (and yes those lovely gradients around the threshold)
A good opportunity to practice those cross wind skills.
Then again if you want a longer runway more into the prevailing wind then go a few miles down the road to Coventry (I jest here since I am not sure of the current status of Coventry airport) where RW 23 is level with a better approach albeit not quite as long as BHX RW 33.
There again, that's what flying is all about.
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A wee crosswind.. I've been in and out of Scottish airports [and further afield] for the last 13 years all year round in rain, shine, sandstorm, gales and snow [admittedly not all on the same flt] in turboprops, and heavy jets.
Looking at youtube you can see to difference from FBW to normal planes! IMHO, I do however bow to your possible superior knowledge.
I'd like to see posts from other pilots who do BHX on a regular basis.
FK
Looking at youtube you can see to difference from FBW to normal planes! IMHO, I do however bow to your possible superior knowledge.
I'd like to see posts from other pilots who do BHX on a regular basis.
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Lufthansa winter 2011/12
GDS and the LH site has beeen revised to show the BMI A320
staying (as expected) and LH952/3 upgraded to the 733 (mainly
a 735 last winter).
Major time changes which bearing in mind the awful time-keeping
this summer from the afternoon onwards, it is not a surprise.
The schedule is as follows for the BMI A320:-
07.00 departure to Frankfurt 11.15 return (nearly 2 hour shift)
12.25 departure to Frankfurt 17.10 return from Frankfurt
17.55 departure to Frankfurt 22.15 return
The Lufthansa aircraft is now 08.10 arrival 08.50 departure
The big plus for winter is it remains four daily every day and
of course Saturday last winter only saw two inbounds and
Sunday three.
The seat difference between last winter with flybe to next
winter without is virtually nil in the week and at the weekend
it is up giving an actual net gain per week.
A quick scan of fares still was showing the quite a few at
£90 although that could change in time.
Munich is 3 x 195 (way up) and DUS 3 x CR9 Eurowings
which means the Contactair, which was showing has gone.
Pete
staying (as expected) and LH952/3 upgraded to the 733 (mainly
a 735 last winter).
Major time changes which bearing in mind the awful time-keeping
this summer from the afternoon onwards, it is not a surprise.
The schedule is as follows for the BMI A320:-
07.00 departure to Frankfurt 11.15 return (nearly 2 hour shift)
12.25 departure to Frankfurt 17.10 return from Frankfurt
17.55 departure to Frankfurt 22.15 return
The Lufthansa aircraft is now 08.10 arrival 08.50 departure
The big plus for winter is it remains four daily every day and
of course Saturday last winter only saw two inbounds and
Sunday three.
The seat difference between last winter with flybe to next
winter without is virtually nil in the week and at the weekend
it is up giving an actual net gain per week.
A quick scan of fares still was showing the quite a few at
£90 although that could change in time.
Munich is 3 x 195 (way up) and DUS 3 x CR9 Eurowings
which means the Contactair, which was showing has gone.
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flybe 175
As expected per the expected delay in the arrival of 175 reservations
systems now show the first 175 on Monday 18 July 2011 from Glasgow
to BHX and it does three services plus one I believe GLA-EXT.
From 7/9 the GLA-BHX is still showing as the 195 with the 175 moving
to Inverness.
MAN-CDG in August still showing as Q400/195 mix.
Pete
systems now show the first 175 on Monday 18 July 2011 from Glasgow
to BHX and it does three services plus one I believe GLA-EXT.
From 7/9 the GLA-BHX is still showing as the 195 with the 175 moving
to Inverness.
MAN-CDG in August still showing as Q400/195 mix.
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Bhx to fue
I was on the 06.45 FR flight back to FUE today around 160 pax not bad as its the quite time for us out hear. the airport was really busy nice change to fly from Brum much prefer it than the alternative one down the M 42.
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Predominently UK winds are west to east but on occasions they can be from the north or south at gale force 
. When this is the case you will be glad BHX has Rwy33/15 as most UK airports runways are east west. BHX accepts many diversions from other airports when this happens. It would not be wise to have all UK runways facing the same way and I am glad I have a choice when mother nature turns nasty.
Landing in crosswinds is all part of flying and good practice
Rwy33 ILS will be replaced and upgraded as part of the runway extension.
. When this is the case you will be glad BHX has Rwy33/15 as most UK airports runways are east west. BHX accepts many diversions from other airports when this happens. It would not be wise to have all UK runways facing the same way and I am glad I have a choice when mother nature turns nasty.Landing in crosswinds is all part of flying and good practice
Rwy33 ILS will be replaced and upgraded as part of the runway extension.
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BHX has Rwy33/15 as most UK airports runways are east west
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Parking arrangements
Can someone explain why I often see larger jets such as the Thomas Cook and Thomson 757's lined up at the new pier but with steps rather than being attached to the vacant airbridges?
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The positioning of the airbridges does not allow all the aircraft lined up next to each other to use all of the airbridges at the same time. There's also an issue with the positioning of steps at the rear of the aircraft on some of the stands if they're all being used at the same time, as the stands are close together and pax de-planing or boarding might get in the way of GSE or fuellers, so sometimes only the front steps can be used. Hope that helps.
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Regarding this issue, why was this not considered during the design phase of the new pier. I thought that all aircraft types are able to park at the peir without any of the restrictions that you just mentioned. The new peir was suppose to make life easier for passegers, ie not having to walk outside in all kinds of weather to board aircraft. ????
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I've seen it a few times where two 757's are parked next to each on the south gates with neither being attached to an airbridge, yet the third parking stand is left vacant or has a Aer Lingus ATR parked up. To me it seems rather pointless to have smaller aircraft that don't use the jet-bridges parking up at the pier and stopping the larger jets doing so because of space. Now that it the airport is one terminal is there a plan for other airlines to use to the old Eurohub side? Seems a waste that all those jetbridges go to waste unless Flybe's Embraers are in.
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Stands and lack of route news
Shows how boring bhx is when all we can come up with on the news and routes page is a/c not using bridges..
The south gates or the 40s stands only have 3 air bridges and these only fit on a/c when they use 40,41c and 42c. At the busy times when all based a/c are on the ground there would not be enough stands that are 757, 321 capable in bhx. Therefore 41l and 41r and 42r and 42l are used and hence no a/b used. Onthe other side the 50s it is slightly different as you have an a/b for both left and right stands. I beleive the 40s stands to were meant to have double bridges but they decided to update the old bridegs and hence they remain. (otherwise known as cost cutting).
Does anyone else think its about time the marketing team at bhx came back from there 4 year sabaticle and did something about the sorry state of affairs we call a route network...
Manchester every week seems to have an announcement weekly and we have had diddly squat for years.. Sorry state of affairs..
It shows how boring bhx has become when the latest press release is about the new airside veichles being donated by landrover... yawn.........
Barry
The south gates or the 40s stands only have 3 air bridges and these only fit on a/c when they use 40,41c and 42c. At the busy times when all based a/c are on the ground there would not be enough stands that are 757, 321 capable in bhx. Therefore 41l and 41r and 42r and 42l are used and hence no a/b used. Onthe other side the 50s it is slightly different as you have an a/b for both left and right stands. I beleive the 40s stands to were meant to have double bridges but they decided to update the old bridegs and hence they remain. (otherwise known as cost cutting).
Does anyone else think its about time the marketing team at bhx came back from there 4 year sabaticle and did something about the sorry state of affairs we call a route network...
Manchester every week seems to have an announcement weekly and we have had diddly squat for years.. Sorry state of affairs..
It shows how boring bhx has become when the latest press release is about the new airside veichles being donated by landrover... yawn.........
Barry