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BHX and MAN to FRA to finish in July
I thought the same last year but they dropped the route (or at least some of the sectors) for the school holidays - Flybe flights to FRA returned in September.
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I'd like to believe that, but check their website and try BHX-FRA, and you see that it only gives you June and July as possible months to fly. Whereas BHX-DUS is bookable until March 2012
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Thanks for the encouragement, BHX2FRA !
But if you check the Manchester thread (my apologies to Brummies
), you see people saying this has been announced internally, that they suspend FRA routes from BHX and MAN, and that FRA-MAN in autumn is via SOU. Check the flight times: Fri 07 Oct 2011 Dep 12:25 Arr 18:20, 5 hours for 500 miles, so must be with a connection.
August would be the one month were they really make money, so much demand, so stopping this now seems like that's it. They annoy a lot of people who will think twice before they come back to them on another route (e.g. DUS). This all seems like a 'panic move', there must be other reasons. This route hasn't been so great for years. Maybe some new person in the management.
But if you check the Manchester thread (my apologies to Brummies
), you see people saying this has been announced internally, that they suspend FRA routes from BHX and MAN, and that FRA-MAN in autumn is via SOU. Check the flight times: Fri 07 Oct 2011 Dep 12:25 Arr 18:20, 5 hours for 500 miles, so must be with a connection.August would be the one month were they really make money, so much demand, so stopping this now seems like that's it. They annoy a lot of people who will think twice before they come back to them on another route (e.g. DUS). This all seems like a 'panic move', there must be other reasons. This route hasn't been so great for years. Maybe some new person in the management.
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Loads have always been very up and down but like the Stuttgart it has
always been suggested yields were okay.
If Lufthansa keep the BMI A320 on the Frankfurt then the number of seats
this winter compared to last winter will be barely down. However the last time I checked BHX-FRA this winter was a major downgrade with 2 x Cityline 190's, one 735 and 1 x 733.
I thought the BMI deal was longer than 7 months?
jpthomas72
The flybe DUS has always been four daily Monday - Thursday although the
DUS night-stop usually disappears in high-summer as does one of the other flights as well. So September does see it return to four daily but it is that now
other than during some school holiday periods.
As it stands one less aircraft needs to be based from August unless other
flights are shifted earlier such as the first Hanover . A new route for autumn would have softened the blow.
Still there are some opportunities such as LDY if ryanair do pull-off the route and the 175 should open some doors if they are that way inclined.
Pete
always been suggested yields were okay.
If Lufthansa keep the BMI A320 on the Frankfurt then the number of seats
this winter compared to last winter will be barely down. However the last time I checked BHX-FRA this winter was a major downgrade with 2 x Cityline 190's, one 735 and 1 x 733.
I thought the BMI deal was longer than 7 months?
jpthomas72
The flybe DUS has always been four daily Monday - Thursday although the
DUS night-stop usually disappears in high-summer as does one of the other flights as well. So September does see it return to four daily but it is that now
other than during some school holiday periods.
As it stands one less aircraft needs to be based from August unless other
flights are shifted earlier such as the first Hanover . A new route for autumn would have softened the blow.
Still there are some opportunities such as LDY if ryanair do pull-off the route and the 175 should open some doors if they are that way inclined.
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Atlantic Airlines
Heard a strong rumour that Atlantic Airlines want out of BHX, they want to be back at cov by Sept.
Heard that the Airport fees are high and they could save £££ by going back to COV.
Anybody else heard anything.
Rgds
Heard that the Airport fees are high and they could save £££ by going back to COV.
Anybody else heard anything.
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May pax
Source: CAA
May 2011 777449 -1.3% and rolling year 8649058 -1.5% ATM's 7726 -0.5
2010 diversion figures show 31 inbounds 13 diverted away.
However this is not the full story. A bhx blog shows about 45 cancelled non-uk
airline flights due to the ash cloud and if you add Monarch, Baby and flybe
it could be around 100 ATM's.
2010 had the IPEX trade show at the NEC but this year there was also at
least one major show plus about 20 movements of one-off charters.
BHX in May 2009 831 588 and 2008 877012 virtually 100000 more than 2011
Very high figures on the routes LH are on but EK were down.
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May 2011 777449 -1.3% and rolling year 8649058 -1.5% ATM's 7726 -0.5
2010 diversion figures show 31 inbounds 13 diverted away.
However this is not the full story. A bhx blog shows about 45 cancelled non-uk
airline flights due to the ash cloud and if you add Monarch, Baby and flybe
it could be around 100 ATM's.
2010 had the IPEX trade show at the NEC but this year there was also at
least one major show plus about 20 movements of one-off charters.
BHX in May 2009 831 588 and 2008 877012 virtually 100000 more than 2011
Very high figures on the routes LH are on but EK were down.
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Any answers???
The following statement was posted on the Easyjet link. What does this say about Bhx and its aspiration to attract Easyjet.
BHX has an even better location being central to the whole of the UK and within a catchment area of several million people; it is in fact even less than 15 minutes to the train and as an added bonus is better served by motorway links than any other airport in the UK....
And what does the aiport get.... two seasonal routes to the ski slopes. Something is wrong somewhere.
Catherine Lynn, easyJet’s Customer and Revenue Director, said: “We are excited to be opening London Southend as easyJet’s 20th base airport. The airport is in a fantastic location just outside London with a fast rail link into the city. This is a unique opportunity to offer a world class customer experience, with passengers able to get from the plane to the train in 15 minutes.
BHX has an even better location being central to the whole of the UK and within a catchment area of several million people; it is in fact even less than 15 minutes to the train and as an added bonus is better served by motorway links than any other airport in the UK....
And what does the aiport get.... two seasonal routes to the ski slopes. Something is wrong somewhere.
Catherine Lynn, easyJet’s Customer and Revenue Director, said: “We are excited to be opening London Southend as easyJet’s 20th base airport. The airport is in a fantastic location just outside London with a fast rail link into the city. This is a unique opportunity to offer a world class customer experience, with passengers able to get from the plane to the train in 15 minutes.
Monte Gordo.
The clue is in the name LONDON Southend! As the Easyjet spokesperson said, Southend is in easy reach on London by rail, the olympics are coming up next July, and they are obviously after a piece of the action which, surprise, they won't get at BHX because, again, the clue is in the name - it's the LONDON olympics - whatever Seb Coe and his cohorts try to convince us.
As Falcon 666 also pointed out, SEN have probably offered the sort of deal that BHX probably couldn't match, and also do not see why they should match.
The clue is in the name LONDON Southend! As the Easyjet spokesperson said, Southend is in easy reach on London by rail, the olympics are coming up next July, and they are obviously after a piece of the action which, surprise, they won't get at BHX because, again, the clue is in the name - it's the LONDON olympics - whatever Seb Coe and his cohorts try to convince us.
As Falcon 666 also pointed out, SEN have probably offered the sort of deal that BHX probably couldn't match, and also do not see why they should match.
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I am sure it is all about passenger and aircraft handling charges, which
BHX I am sure won't budge from unless pressure is put on them by the retailers and the other based companies paying the rent.
At some point if you have significant capital expenditure (ATC tower etc)
you expect to recover it at some point and that is usually by attracting
passengers/airlines so I assume they do have a cunning plan.
May 2011 beat the May 2002 but it was 65000 below 2003, which is a worry but not unique as other airports are suffering as well. Although if the accounts are still in the black maybe BHX are content.
The frustrating thing about easyjet, was that there were several ready-made
routes available, some of which are being taken up by BMI Baby in 2012 so it is not a total disaster - yet!
Pete
BHX I am sure won't budge from unless pressure is put on them by the retailers and the other based companies paying the rent.
At some point if you have significant capital expenditure (ATC tower etc)
you expect to recover it at some point and that is usually by attracting
passengers/airlines so I assume they do have a cunning plan.
May 2011 beat the May 2002 but it was 65000 below 2003, which is a worry but not unique as other airports are suffering as well. Although if the accounts are still in the black maybe BHX are content.
The frustrating thing about easyjet, was that there were several ready-made
routes available, some of which are being taken up by BMI Baby in 2012 so it is not a total disaster - yet!
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Despite all the usual caveats (IMO tired excuses) the pax figures for BHX are abysmal. MAN up 9%, EDI up 13% (and that was with a day closed (or part day) due to the latest ash cloud). I think Centre Cities is spot on, BHX is happy with simply being a weedy spoke into a range of European hubs (fine for those with FF cards, who have the time to faff about connecting or are willing to pay often ridiculous prices and gain even more air miles simply to get to a major city in Europe) or those who want their summer sun holiday where it is as easy to pick up a fry up as a suntan. Bugger people like me, who now see it is as the norm to fly from LPL, BRS, EMA and MAN rather than the airport just up the road because they offer flights that BHX does not, as follows (flights were checked and booked in April):
BHX-LIS 18/7 - 23/7 cheapest LH via FRA £240
MAN-LIS 18/7 - 23/7 cheapest TP direct, £98 (which I booked)
At least LIS is coming back next year! Its a sad state of affairs, but its not like BHX has stuck its head in the sand on route development before (look at the way they put all their eggs in the BA Basket without bothering to try and find alternatives even when it became obvious they would pull out).
As for EZY, dont get me started. How is it that BHX is so expensive for airlines? What do they have to charge for that others seemingly don't? Why can't BHX achieve a good balance between loco and legacy carriers? I'm beginning to wonder if BHX are paying the shops to be there than the other way round, maybe thats why its so pricey to fly from?!
PS Maybe if HS2 is built Easyjet will then set up a base at BHX. Yeah right, pigs may fly. And they won't be orange. I hope they do set up at COV!
BHX-LIS 18/7 - 23/7 cheapest LH via FRA £240
MAN-LIS 18/7 - 23/7 cheapest TP direct, £98 (which I booked)
At least LIS is coming back next year! Its a sad state of affairs, but its not like BHX has stuck its head in the sand on route development before (look at the way they put all their eggs in the BA Basket without bothering to try and find alternatives even when it became obvious they would pull out).
As for EZY, dont get me started. How is it that BHX is so expensive for airlines? What do they have to charge for that others seemingly don't? Why can't BHX achieve a good balance between loco and legacy carriers? I'm beginning to wonder if BHX are paying the shops to be there than the other way round, maybe thats why its so pricey to fly from?!
PS Maybe if HS2 is built Easyjet will then set up a base at BHX. Yeah right, pigs may fly. And they won't be orange. I hope they do set up at COV!
If HS2 is built then there will be a mass exodus from BHX TO LHR. It works both ways. If travellers can get there in around 1 hour, I don't hold any hope for expansion at BHX by the likes of EY QR etc runway or no runway!
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Does anyone have access to the BHX landing charges in comparison to other airports?
I'd be willing to bet they are still higher than most of its competitors.
Birmingham supposedly has a catchment area of 35 million within 2 hours driving time so how can it be so underused?
I don't suppose it could happen, particularly with the present CEO Paul Kehoe who happens to be an environmental enthusiast, but I reckon if all else fails, the provision of free car parking should be considered.
That's not as daft as it sounds and I doubt there's another airport so favourably located for such an arrangement.
Thirty five million able to drive to Birmingham Airport within 2 hours, free parking, get back from a flight and jump into their cars and back home within two hours?
They would have to beat customers off with a stick.
I'd be willing to bet they are still higher than most of its competitors.
Birmingham supposedly has a catchment area of 35 million within 2 hours driving time so how can it be so underused?
I don't suppose it could happen, particularly with the present CEO Paul Kehoe who happens to be an environmental enthusiast, but I reckon if all else fails, the provision of free car parking should be considered.
That's not as daft as it sounds and I doubt there's another airport so favourably located for such an arrangement.
Thirty five million able to drive to Birmingham Airport within 2 hours, free parking, get back from a flight and jump into their cars and back home within two hours?
They would have to beat customers off with a stick.
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They would have to beat customers off with a stick
If HS2 is built then there will be a mass exodus from BHX TO LHR
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Of course there's another rapidly growing airport down there also; London City.
I was down in the city last week, under the flightpath, and could't believe the number of BA flights heading there (do they park them all on barges?). According to their website BA fly to 15 destinations from what was once consdiered to be a bit of a novelty landing strip. There are of course other national carriers moving in as well.
It's a bit galling really considering BA's retreat from the regions, but it goes to show what a failure UK regional development has been over the years and that the SE continues to be where the money is for both business and discretionary travel.
It is unlikley to get better anytime soon and I agree, it won't be improved by HS2 (if the 'flat-earthers' ever let it get built, that is).
I was talking to a businessman from down there about this and how it would be good to see the Midlands get a piece of the action and not least some of the retail / restuarant chains that have yet to venture outside London. 'Yes!' he said, 'It would be good, but the trouble is, Brummies don't like spending money!'
Mmm. Perhaps that's the answer.
I was down in the city last week, under the flightpath, and could't believe the number of BA flights heading there (do they park them all on barges?). According to their website BA fly to 15 destinations from what was once consdiered to be a bit of a novelty landing strip. There are of course other national carriers moving in as well.
It's a bit galling really considering BA's retreat from the regions, but it goes to show what a failure UK regional development has been over the years and that the SE continues to be where the money is for both business and discretionary travel.
It is unlikley to get better anytime soon and I agree, it won't be improved by HS2 (if the 'flat-earthers' ever let it get built, that is).
I was talking to a businessman from down there about this and how it would be good to see the Midlands get a piece of the action and not least some of the retail / restuarant chains that have yet to venture outside London. 'Yes!' he said, 'It would be good, but the trouble is, Brummies don't like spending money!'
Mmm. Perhaps that's the answer.
RealFish
Your comments regarding UK regional development are spot on. Apart from for France, the UK must be the most "Capital-centric" large country in Western Europe.
Some more bad news may be around the corner, with one of the NEC's biggest exhibitions, IPEX, decamping to The Exel, London from 2014 - it's next edition. Idea is to increase the number of foreign visitors. The Motor Show went a couple of years ago, and it is to be hoped this isn't the thin end of an extremely thick wedge, but with the mega investment going on in East London, I fear it will be.
The Southeast and London in particular is promoted by the UK English inbound tourism industry almost to the exclusion of the rest of the country. No doubt the management of this and similar organisations like it that way, as they are probably mostly from london and the SE themselves.
Until the UK becomes more federal, more like the German model, there is little hope for us numpties living outside the southeast to see real growth and investment. It's a tribute to Manchester, both the airport and the city, for developing as it has, probably despite, rather than because of central government.
Your comments regarding UK regional development are spot on. Apart from for France, the UK must be the most "Capital-centric" large country in Western Europe.
Some more bad news may be around the corner, with one of the NEC's biggest exhibitions, IPEX, decamping to The Exel, London from 2014 - it's next edition. Idea is to increase the number of foreign visitors. The Motor Show went a couple of years ago, and it is to be hoped this isn't the thin end of an extremely thick wedge, but with the mega investment going on in East London, I fear it will be.
The Southeast and London in particular is promoted by the UK English inbound tourism industry almost to the exclusion of the rest of the country. No doubt the management of this and similar organisations like it that way, as they are probably mostly from london and the SE themselves.
Until the UK becomes more federal, more like the German model, there is little hope for us numpties living outside the southeast to see real growth and investment. It's a tribute to Manchester, both the airport and the city, for developing as it has, probably despite, rather than because of central government.
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That London businessman is talking rubbish, there are plenty of chain restaurants in Birmingham, some say too many, plus three Michelin* restaurants, more than any other city in England outside London. Somebody is spending money!