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B787 "dreamliner" from Birmingham
I was under the impression that the 787 was designed to make more routes viable from airports like Birmingham. Clearly it is very complex to work out the exact range of the 787 as it will depend on wind, payload, runway length, temp, airpressure and ATC etc.
looking at the 787 brochure there is a pre-Flight estimate of takeoff feild length. It looks like the first model 787-8 is designed for full load operation at 3000m runway length. It looks like you would need to lose 20 tonnes off mtw for the current runway length. What would the viable range be assuming a full 230 pax but very little cargo.
looking at the 787 brochure there is a pre-Flight estimate of takeoff feild length. It looks like the first model 787-8 is designed for full load operation at 3000m runway length. It looks like you would need to lose 20 tonnes off mtw for the current runway length. What would the viable range be assuming a full 230 pax but very little cargo.
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Might be as well this one, as still no Norwegian flights bookable after March.
Having said that WW have chosen the opposite days to Norwegian,
which could mean a daily flight if they choose to continue.
Norwegian started well but the pax took a big dip in November, can't
wait to see the December figures - hopefully an improvement with
Christmas etc.
Pete
Having said that WW have chosen the opposite days to Norwegian,
which could mean a daily flight if they choose to continue.
Norwegian started well but the pax took a big dip in November, can't
wait to see the December figures - hopefully an improvement with
Christmas etc.
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runway extension
The extension is to allow planes to get to places like the west coast of USA.
The market for such direct flight could be served by aircraft like the 787.
If this is 50% plastic and uses 20% less fuel than the current generation of planes then does it undermine the need a runway extension at BHX?
Going for better planes would seem to be more viable then going for a longer runway as any extension is only useful to 5% of traffic in 2012.
The extension is to allow planes to get to places like the west coast of USA.
The market for such direct flight could be served by aircraft like the 787.
If this is 50% plastic and uses 20% less fuel than the current generation of planes then does it undermine the need a runway extension at BHX?
Going for better planes would seem to be more viable then going for a longer runway as any extension is only useful to 5% of traffic in 2012.
I hope it doesn't catch the usual Brit disease of being way over budget and over schedule. Somehow though, I think it may.
Warsaw flights
after checking for flights for xmas/new year on Norwegian website there were a few days that said flights full from bhx -
unless the flights were not operating ?
rgds
Simon
unless the flights were not operating ?
rgds
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Lufthansa seem to be flexible with their flights lately.
The Morning MUC flight is regulary a CRJ700 or CRJ900, the afternoon flight a B737-500/CRJ900 & the nightstopper, not so long ago, all these flights were operated by RJ85's. I guess the mix of types is an increase in seats on the route?
The Teatime FRA also regulary see's A320's & the occasional A321 instead of a B737-300.
FC
The Morning MUC flight is regulary a CRJ700 or CRJ900, the afternoon flight a B737-500/CRJ900 & the nightstopper, not so long ago, all these flights were operated by RJ85's. I guess the mix of types is an increase in seats on the route?
The Teatime FRA also regulary see's A320's & the occasional A321 instead of a B737-300.
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When I checked before Christmas, BHX - MUC for JAN & FEB had
CR2's, CR7's, CR9,s, RJ85's, 735's & 320's scheduled.
I did only find the one 320 flight and a couple of CR2's.
Mon-Fri is mainly a 735 N/S & late afternoon with the RJ85 the mid morning one. However I think there is one week when the afternoon
flight is a CR9 all week or a CR7.
With the demise of BACON I thought the DUS might see a couple
of CR7's a day but pax figures seem fairly static on the route.
I wonder if pax will increase next month with the CGN gone.
The early evening Frankfurt has long received upgrades on a Thursday
as it is the traditional day the NEC trade shows end and that pattern
seems to be continuing if not spreading.
All good stuff with HAM coming, a Berlin would not go amiss either.
Pete
When I checked before Christmas, BHX - MUC for JAN & FEB had
CR2's, CR7's, CR9,s, RJ85's, 735's & 320's scheduled.
I did only find the one 320 flight and a couple of CR2's.
Mon-Fri is mainly a 735 N/S & late afternoon with the RJ85 the mid morning one. However I think there is one week when the afternoon
flight is a CR9 all week or a CR7.
With the demise of BACON I thought the DUS might see a couple
of CR7's a day but pax figures seem fairly static on the route.
I wonder if pax will increase next month with the CGN gone.
The early evening Frankfurt has long received upgrades on a Thursday
as it is the traditional day the NEC trade shows end and that pattern
seems to be continuing if not spreading.
All good stuff with HAM coming, a Berlin would not go amiss either.
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December pax up
Found this quote: -
"BIA has ended 2007 with a record month, with 587,760 passengers using the Airport during December. This was 2.3% more than the same month in 2006 and the highest number of passengers to ever travel through the Airport in the month of December.
This brought the conclusion to a successful year, with a total of 9,232,496 using the Airport over the twelve month period; 0.9% more than in 2006."
End of quote
Coupled with the good financials, not a bad year all round with 2008
looking okay.
Should post 9.5 Million in 2008, still can't match BHX's projected
figures but maybe they know things I don't.
Pete
"BIA has ended 2007 with a record month, with 587,760 passengers using the Airport during December. This was 2.3% more than the same month in 2006 and the highest number of passengers to ever travel through the Airport in the month of December.
This brought the conclusion to a successful year, with a total of 9,232,496 using the Airport over the twelve month period; 0.9% more than in 2006."
End of quote
Coupled with the good financials, not a bad year all round with 2008
looking okay.
Should post 9.5 Million in 2008, still can't match BHX's projected
figures but maybe they know things I don't.
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BHX's projected 27-32 million traffic figure for 2030s is just to push the planners.
If the airport realy thought that would happen they would be pushing for a 2nd runway. Instead they are goung for a longer runway which implies the owners think it will grow slow but steadly. The master plan has the airport growing at 4.9% each year between 2006 and 2010. 0.9% is well below plan. BHX is treading water.
If the airport realy thought that would happen they would be pushing for a 2nd runway. Instead they are goung for a longer runway which implies the owners think it will grow slow but steadly. The master plan has the airport growing at 4.9% each year between 2006 and 2010. 0.9% is well below plan. BHX is treading water.
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Had to happen unfortunately. However, not bowing down to Ryanair's usual techniques will help the airport. It may be one of the few that make a decent living from Ryanair.
Pax increase is good news. Especially when looked at alongside some other airports who are down.
Pax increase is good news. Especially when looked at alongside some other airports who are down.
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Giddy, thanks for the personal mention!! 
For the record I am pleased, no more trekking up to EMA in order to fly and visit my sister in Pisa. But personal travel satisfaction aside, BHX are obviously getting what they want from FR and FR are getting what they want from BHX, as long as both parties are benefitting then good luck to them both, lets hope it lasts as we all know that when FR are not getting what they want they are as quick to leave as to arrive, i'm sure BHX would be no exception.
For the record I am pleased, no more trekking up to EMA in order to fly and visit my sister in Pisa. But personal travel satisfaction aside, BHX are obviously getting what they want from FR and FR are getting what they want from BHX, as long as both parties are benefitting then good luck to them both, lets hope it lasts as we all know that when FR are not getting what they want they are as quick to leave as to arrive, i'm sure BHX would be no exception.
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Norwegian
The good the bad & the ugly?
The good - it is still running
The bad - the times, 0735 arrival at BHX (definitely after the Polish
originating traffic)
The ugly - Two out of the three days that BMI Baby will be operating and
in other words no flights on Monday and Fridays
It will be a pleasant surprise if we retain both operators in winter 2008/9.
Pete
The good - it is still running
The bad - the times, 0735 arrival at BHX (definitely after the Polish
originating traffic)
The ugly - Two out of the three days that BMI Baby will be operating and
in other words no flights on Monday and Fridays
It will be a pleasant surprise if we retain both operators in winter 2008/9.
Pete
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quote
" Flight KL1421/1422 has switched to a 737-300 and from mid feb will be
a fokker 100"
Seems to go back to a FK70 from the end of March and back to 07.55
departure.
The good news is that it appears that the KL1429/30 will stay as a 737
(FK100 last summer). It is now showing as a 733 for the summer as is
the night-stop flight. Both are down as 734's at the moment.
KL1423/4 is still down as a 738 for summer and 1427/8/31/32 as FK70's.
All pretty good really.
Pete
quote
" Flight KL1421/1422 has switched to a 737-300 and from mid feb will be
a fokker 100"
Seems to go back to a FK70 from the end of March and back to 07.55
departure.
The good news is that it appears that the KL1429/30 will stay as a 737
(FK100 last summer). It is now showing as a 733 for the summer as is
the night-stop flight. Both are down as 734's at the moment.
KL1423/4 is still down as a 738 for summer and 1427/8/31/32 as FK70's.
All pretty good really.
Pete