Jet2 - 3

[RM5 Fan]

simonchowder
Thomas Cook do (or at least did last year) send aircraft away on checks at the times where the flying programme is lightest, like most airlines, as they couldn't handle all the work in house in such a short space of time (Abu Dhabi was on last years list). Jet2 do have one line of heavy mx "C-Checks" carried out in house on the B733 fleet, which has already started this winter. All Jet2 75 mx is presently undertaken within the UK, with the 737s split between LBA and Jat in BEG.

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Only 1 QC aircraft is ever required in BFS. Other units are always pax only aircraft.

Ernest Lanc's
The "BLK"s third based aircraft story is getting tired. In the BLK thread you refer to it as being "A dark day for BLK when FR pulled out of MAN" Please can you tell me which of the following have taken over Ryanair's gaps out of Manchester:-
MAN-PRG (CSA pulled off)
MAN-DBV
MAN-SPU
MAN-REU
MAN-LPA
MAN-VCE
MAN-FNC
MAN-MIR
MAN-KGS

None of the above routes are replacements for those that Ryanair previously operated as taken from FR's website - Barcelona (Girona), Bremen, Brussels (Charleroi), Cagliari, Dusseldorf (Weeze), Frankfurt (Hahn), Marseille, Milan (Bergamo) and Shannon, and I would be surprised if all bar PRG don't have some sort of tour operator support, which BLK presuambly can't offer to most "niche" markets, which increases the viability to the operation of the new routes and reduces the risk to yourself, especially in an economic downturn. If a tour operator buys 50 seats a flight off you you now only have to sell 98 in house on a B733.

[righthandrule]

What an utter load of drivel.

Maybe I should be more clear on the types of maintenance here, Jet2 carry out in house maintenance up to C-Checks, with heavy D-Checks been contracted out to JAT Tehnika in Belgrade. I should have included C-Checks as heavy maintenance, as well, it is heavy maintenance. May I also point out that is exactly the same level of in house maintenance Monarch carry out on their own fleet, so 'outfits' like Jet2 are very much like 'outfits' such as shall we say, Monarch.

Jet2 send their 737 fleet to JAT Tehnika in Belgrade because they are a Boeing 737 classic specialist, you mentioned Thomas Cook and Monarch Engineering, you also said;

beancounters who make these decisions dont have to fly in the things.

Well yes they do fly in them quite a lot, and I will just add that the beancounters make decisions to send their aircraft to engineering facilities that can accomodate their aircraft, it really would be little use sending Jet2's Boeing 737-300's for D Checks at TCAE or Monarch!

You are saying that Jet2's fleet are maintained to a poorer standard than other airlines fleets as they are 'farmed out to whoever is cheapest', I will just draw your attention to how serious this allegation may be and something called a JAR 145 certificate from the EASA. Perhaps you should stop drivelling on about something you have no idea about, stop talking a load of utter crap about Jet2 and grow up.

[bluepilot]

agreed.

I flew for a national flag carrier before jet2 on the 757. The maintenance at Jet2 is far better than my previous airline! I rarely see defects being carried at Jet2 whilst at the "national flag carrier" i regularly had to refer to the MEL for carrying defects, the flight deck sometimes was a sea of yellow inop stickers! What happened was the defects were carried until the next scheduled hangar input unlike Jet2 where defects are often cleared overnight. This is due to the larger ratio of line engineers at Jet2 than my previous outfit.

simonchowder...we got the message, you dont like jet2, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, now i suggest you be careful on what you are saying in future as at the moment your posts are becoming slanderous.

[take-off]

So nothing new again for BLK, Reus would have been a good route for BLK, filling the gap left by FR to Girona, As it is currently looking for a holiday early next year, as of which , now having to look fro MAN rather than my local, also means i'll be looking at everyone else the flies from MAN, so probably end up flying with someone else. As has been said Jersey is hardly a replacement for Ibiza and Menorca, and a monday malaga flight. Not that i have anything against Jersely ,very nice place, but not where younger people first think of going now is it?, BLK has had more of a retaction for next year, rather than the promise of new extra routes..

[flybar]

companies such as monarch are more likely to get a superior product at the end of a heavy check due the fact their engineering division is i believe one of the finest in the world, and they are working on "their " aircraft, so people tend to go that extra mile , no doubt the eastern european company who look after jet 2 do a reasonable job, but to them jet 2 are i would suggest just another customer,

I have to argue with your logic:-
The 'Eastern European Company' are a contractor to Jet2. There are other contractors who would happily do the work. Therefore they cannot afford to do a 'reasonable job' they have to do a good job or the work will go elsewhere.
The Monarch Engineers get paid whether they do a good job or not. They are no more likely to go the 'extra mile' than any other engineers.

[viscount702]

Does anyone know whether Olbia will be available from MAN 2010. It has not been put on sale yet.

From recollection it was done on a W pattern from EDI this year. The EDI flight was put on sale on 25/9 for 2010 and it is an O/B working. Therefore if it does run I am assuming an O/B working probably using what is currently a vacant spot on Sunday morning.

[theloudone]

flybar
Having worked for Jet2 as an engineer, i have seen first hand the standard of the workmanship from the said mentioned eastern block company, whilst the aircraft return very well presented, they have been known to return with several problems !
Certainly this debate could drag on, who gives a better job and who is cheaper, but surely, to have your fleet maintained in this country and supervised by your own engineering staff, must have its benefits ?

[Little Blue]

Simon suggested the same for Flyglobespans engineering.
Having worked for a very large UK carrier with it's own engineering and now GSM with contracted staff, I can see no discernable difference between the two products.
Monarch were contracted to do my old carriers 330 mtce at MAN. And, yes, they were very good, but no better than anyone else. An engineer with a licence wants to keep it, and that means working to the best of their ability.
Loyalty to their own company means diddly when it comes down to safety.

[Ernest Lanc's]

Originally Posted by theloudone

Having worked for Jet2 as an engineer, i have seen first hand the standard of the workmanship from the said mentioned eastern block company, whilst the aircraft return very well presented, they have been known to return with several problems !

If you know something we don't know. I would appreciate you posting here just what those problems were/are?.

I have flown with JET2 from BLK several times since ZB chased their tail back to Luton, and if you as an engineer formerly with JET2 know of any problems - Being I am flying to Lanzarote JET2 in May/June 2010 and APG in Jul/Aug 2010, if there are problems with the a/c post just what those problems are.

[flybar]

Originally posted by the loudone
Happen to stick my head round the hangar door the other week, i see Jet2 are doing undercarriage changes, didnt know they had the approvals to do them !
Does anyone know if they do ? i am sure they must.

Presumably from the tone of this earlier post you don't work for Jet2 any longer!!

[Ballymoss]

Ernest

Jet2 it seems are not basing a 3rd a/c at BLK as thought for 2020

You have the 10yr plan then? Not the first time you've made this error
Sorry, just being a pedant. IMHO, what BLK has is probably as good as it will
get

Rgds
The Moss

[righthandrule]

BLK is limited, as was In the press recently more people visited Leeds as a tourist destination than Blackpool last year, Jet2 will only expand into outbound orientated routes, the holiday routes from BLK failed with the vast majority of passengers travelling to second homes rather than packages. The likes of TFS, ACE, DLM etc, are all not viable from BLK and with passenger traffic to mainland Spain having very little growth it is too bigger risk for Jet2 to put another aircraft in. It will remain a 2 a/c base for the forseeable future.

[righthandrule]

Does anyone know whether Olbia will be available from MAN 2010. It has not been put on sale yet.

Yes, I believe it is to be announced very shortly. If my memory serves me correctly it originates in MAN rather than the W pattern operated this summer from LBA (Not EDI) with a lunchtime departure, 13.00 I believe is planned at the moment.

OLB is a very succesful destination for Jet2, it is very high yielding and consistently had high load factors, I believe Holiday Options are taking a larger allocation from LBA & MAN for next summer.

[viscount702]

Olbia

What day will the flight from MAN operate as the only gap in the timetable at the weekend is Sunday morning.

As I see the timetable at present these are the gaps
Monday 1 x AM
Tuesday 2x PM
Wednesday 1 x AM 4 x PM
Thursday 1 x PM
Friday 1 x PM
Saturday 0
Sunday 1 x AM

[Ernest Lanc's]

Originally Posted by Ballymoss

You have the 10yr plan then?[...] Not the first time you've made this error

No it's not - Fair comment Bally. However I think 2020 is more realistic for a 3rd a/c at BLK than 2010. So in a way, my typo could be prophetic.

Originally Posted by Ballymoss

IMHO, what BLK has is probably as good as it will get

You are probably right - Blackpool's fortunes nosedived when FR vacated MAN, and MAN is more attractive to LS than BLK - That IMO is why BLK has no new routes, and a 3rd a/c in the distant future.

Although it has been said on the BLK thread than Mr Meeson was at BLK today, either looking for queues, or he might (just might) have brought a goody bag.

[DADDY-OH!]

I honestly don't know why Jet2 doesn't try routes to Poland from BLK. With the ammount of Poles working in & around Blackpool, the Fylde, Lakes & within 10 miles of Preston there must be a demand for a route to Poland.

Any takers?

[Ernest Lanc's]

DADDY-OH

I reckon a route to Poland would work from BLK - or any airport for that matter. I myself would not go there, but I know quite a few who would.

Aside from that though BLK lacks the bucket and spade brigade that JET2 are looking for in particular with their package holidays. trouble is IMO and JET2 know this, BLK caters for a specialist second home market IMO.

That's why Prague nor Amsterdam never worked, or for that matter London from BLK.

What does puzzle me though and bucks the trend above, was the axing of Ibiza Mahon from BLK, why would JET2 do that when pax was holding up? - And hoist Jersey on BLK another route IMO that won't work.

[dada]

ernest
i dont think u can say london route failed because it wasnt a package destination as opposed to a 2nd home one.
it only failed cos the dreadful ryanair threw their dummy out the pram.

[theloudone]

flybar
Very true, thankfully !

[MUFC_fan]

What does puzzle me though and bucks the trend above, was the axing of Ibiza Mahon from BLK, why would JET2 do that when pax was holding up? - And hoist Jersey on BLK another route IMO that won't work.

IBZ and MAH had low yields - fares were low and load factors were only just into the 80s at the highest.

By flying a third of the distance, they can charge similar fares on the JER run. Why do you think Belfast has lasted so long - low loads but highly profitable.