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The newspaper report I read stated the incident occured 'early morning' on the 19th Sept.
I was there during the time I stated.
My comments related to the situation in the check-in hall at that time which, was what the initial comment referred to if you read the post by AL446 again.
My intention was to provide facts to enable people to form an opinion as to whether PM was justified in being upset. The way he dealt with it is another matter.
I was there during the time I stated.
My comments related to the situation in the check-in hall at that time which, was what the initial comment referred to if you read the post by AL446 again.
My intention was to provide facts to enable people to form an opinion as to whether PM was justified in being upset. The way he dealt with it is another matter.
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Originally Posted by al446
There is more than one thread running on this subject, I just happened to have read the other one.
Originally Posted by al446
No, their wages are being paid directly by Aviance not J2. It is surely then the responsibility of the staff's line manager to investigate and issue rebuke if warranted, not for some smart a**e MD to come along castigating them in an exceptionally surly and offensive manner.
If PM noticed that staff shortcomings were making for long queues for his pax, then he had a right IMO to point this out which he obviously did.
You say he was "exceptionally surly and offencive", well if that's true he did overstep the line of decent behaviour. TSR2 was there and says:-
Originally Posted by TSR2
I was not aware of any ranting by anyone until I read about it in the newspapers several days later. Does anyone know what time this rant by PM took place?
So without hard evidence it's seems a mater of opinion as to how offencive PM was with the Aviance staff.
I believe that JET2 have high standards, and also believe Mr Meeson wishes JET2 to keep up these standards.
If you think he was offencive, that is your prerogative and I respect your opinion - But I would like more proof on what actually happened before condemning PM, all we have are press reports.
On another matter one poster advised us to use Monarch with their shiny newish a/c, rather than JET2. I last used Monarch in 2006 on a return flight from Blackpool to Malaga.
Some (Not All) of Monarch cabin staff were not IMO pleasant at all. The seats were not comfortable at all, and it seemed like we were little better than sardines.
Top that with the worst ever landing I have experienced - Anyone on that flight WED at the end of July 06 Malaga/BLK will remember a memorable landing.
All my trips with JET2 have been hassle free, friendly cabin staff, and first rate pilots.
And to those having a pop at JET2 757s - Cost of flight comes into the equation, and the main consideration is getting there and back safely - If the a/c are clean and safe, that coupled with price of seats is what matters to me.
EDIT: Also Monarch IMO proved unreliable. When they pulled out of BLK - They did that before the summer schedule finished in 2006, and pax had to go to MAN instead.
Now that is what I call unreasonable.
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Will you please wise up, this is about how a human being should be treated at work, whether by pax, colleagues, line manager or the tosser that has taken out the contract to employ people as cheaply as possible without having direct responsibility for them. You may think that J2 is the finest thing that ever happened, they are certainly better than RYR, but this does not licence the man to lose it with someone. Period. It perhaps demonstrates psychopathy.
I care not what other posters have put on here, if the police had grounds to give him a formal warning, of sufficient robustness to be reported in the press (their lawyers check) then that negates any post, no matter how much of an eye witness the poster may be. Perhaps TSR2 was not quite awake - the poor member of check in staff certainly was after he had started and I dont think plod was in his nightshirt, otherwise PM's lawyer would have challenged.
You may think it is fine to be walked over, you said as much re your contracting days, I don't.
The matter of how offensive (s not c) he was appears to have been put in the hands of local plod who decided against him.
Nothing you write can mitigate his actions in my mind, according to reports he acted like an oaf.
I care not what other posters have put on here, if the police had grounds to give him a formal warning, of sufficient robustness to be reported in the press (their lawyers check) then that negates any post, no matter how much of an eye witness the poster may be. Perhaps TSR2 was not quite awake - the poor member of check in staff certainly was after he had started and I dont think plod was in his nightshirt, otherwise PM's lawyer would have challenged.
You may think it is fine to be walked over, you said as much re your contracting days, I don't.
The matter of how offensive (s not c) he was appears to have been put in the hands of local plod who decided against him.
Nothing you write can mitigate his actions in my mind, according to reports he acted like an oaf.
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As I posted earlier this is NOT an isolated incident! If fact it is becoming more and more regular, the man needs help before he causes more damage to Jet2, or he himself gets hurt if someone reacts violently to his behaviour.
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Having been in a situation where I, as an employee to the airline, is confronted with a check-in hall full of passengers due to there being an insufficient number of desks open I can safely say its highly embarrasing and frustrating.
I can also however safely say that never would a member of Management or the CEO throw his toys out of the pram in front of fare paying passengers, in the way Mr Meeson has been reported as doing so.
I completely agree with those posters who put forward the argument that these staff despite maybe being in the wrong are afterall human beings. In this case Mr Meeson is acting in a manner no better than a passenger who would shout and scream, and then as a result be refused travel due to offensive behaviour towards staff.
The issue I have, and hence why I have remained silent until now, is when you read the standard of responses by members of this forum you can see why so many support Mr Meeson's actions. There are a high percentage of posters who post crass, rude and unneccesary comments in their replies in a tone which not only is arrogant and aggressive, but are towards people that these posters do not neccesarily know.
My question is this. How are these posters on this forum any different to Mr Meeson, and how is Mr Meeson any different to customers to the airline who are refused travel when they kick up a fuss.
DSA-DUB - You are spot on. This subject has reached the end - there is no answer which can be agreed on so please move on.
I can also however safely say that never would a member of Management or the CEO throw his toys out of the pram in front of fare paying passengers, in the way Mr Meeson has been reported as doing so.
I completely agree with those posters who put forward the argument that these staff despite maybe being in the wrong are afterall human beings. In this case Mr Meeson is acting in a manner no better than a passenger who would shout and scream, and then as a result be refused travel due to offensive behaviour towards staff.
The issue I have, and hence why I have remained silent until now, is when you read the standard of responses by members of this forum you can see why so many support Mr Meeson's actions. There are a high percentage of posters who post crass, rude and unneccesary comments in their replies in a tone which not only is arrogant and aggressive, but are towards people that these posters do not neccesarily know.
My question is this. How are these posters on this forum any different to Mr Meeson, and how is Mr Meeson any different to customers to the airline who are refused travel when they kick up a fuss.
DSA-DUB - You are spot on. This subject has reached the end - there is no answer which can be agreed on so please move on.
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Did PM actually receive a police caution or just a verbal warning (more likely) at the scene. The two are very different things and a caution can have an effect on eligibility for airside passes etc and will be recorded on the police national computer. For him to have received a caution it would have required arrest at the scene or an agreed time to return to the police station and be arrested by appointment followed by tape recorded interview.
I would suggest that if it was just a verbal warning then his behaviour, whilst possibly warranting police intervention, was not overly offensive and didn't cause undue harrassment, alarm or distress to members of the public. I wasn't there and I am in no way condoning his alleged behaviour and there are definately better ways of dealing with issues such as these.
I would suggest that if it was just a verbal warning then his behaviour, whilst possibly warranting police intervention, was not overly offensive and didn't cause undue harrassment, alarm or distress to members of the public. I wasn't there and I am in no way condoning his alleged behaviour and there are definately better ways of dealing with issues such as these.
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Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said: "We attended and warned the man about his future conduct and behaviour."
PM himself states in one of his Press Statements that the officer acted in a very 'Professional Manner'. Pleased to hear it.
Now can we forget this storm in a tea cup and move onto more important matters!!
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Err no
PM was well out of order it does not matter that his concern was the length of the que to check in, as CEO he should be aware that policy that he has signed off in respect checkin fee's seat allocation and so on make life more difficult for hard working checkin staff and he should have taken the matter up with the duty manager.
He might like to compare himself MOL but MOL would never put himself at risk of involement with the police
I have lost count of the number of times he has gone off on one with crews due to depart, he is not a pilot and is a risk to the safety of the airline
PM was well out of order it does not matter that his concern was the length of the que to check in, as CEO he should be aware that policy that he has signed off in respect checkin fee's seat allocation and so on make life more difficult for hard working checkin staff and he should have taken the matter up with the duty manager.
He might like to compare himself MOL but MOL would never put himself at risk of involement with the police
I have lost count of the number of times he has gone off on one with crews due to depart, he is not a pilot and is a risk to the safety of the airline
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Philip Meeson is a Bully!
His latest outburst just highlights what a bully he is. This isn't the first time, and he frequently has outburst like this. He manages the company by fear and a lot of the staff (mainly his managers) are frightened of him. He's a disgrace and ought to be ashamed of his behaviour. There is no skill in this type of management technique. He needs to **** off and draw his OAP.
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Originally Posted by Facelookbovvered
I have lost count of the number of times he has gone off on one with crews due to depart, he is not a pilot and is a risk to the safety of the airline
Originally Posted by smudgethecat
The bloke sounds like a complete arse
Originally Posted by smudgethecat
what did he hope to achieve by behaving in such a crass manner?
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IMO theres a subtle difference between calling someone a arse on a internet forum than there is a company CEO effing and blinding at his staff in public with women and children present and then getting a police caution
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Will you please stop defending the indefensible especially by twisting words. Facelookbovvered made an observation that you are in position to judge whether it is an overstatement or not, he was there and you were not. Nor can you ascribe likelihood of such coming from MOL or PM.
Smudge gave his opinion of the man, I happen to agree, but it in no way equates to the behaviour of PM as reported. He described his behaviour as crass, not his language which I also agree with.
From reading your posts re J2 it would appear that you need to develop some objectivity in viewing them, you seem to think they can do no wrong.
Smudge gave his opinion of the man, I happen to agree, but it in no way equates to the behaviour of PM as reported. He described his behaviour as crass, not his language which I also agree with.
From reading your posts re J2 it would appear that you need to develop some objectivity in viewing them, you seem to think they can do no wrong.