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See that Bmi are increasing the Heathrow flights from Manchester to eight per day witn the introduction of a late evening flight arrival from Heathrow, as per the press release on their website.
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When I said what else is left, I was referring to alternative Polish routes other than those now served by Centralwings. But of course, you are right. Any one of those destinations listed could be served by WW with a bit of thought and planning. Obvious ones would be LIS & MAD, newly served from BHX and what MAN is crying out for. And why not continue GVA after the ski season has finished? With LS retreating, TOM reverting back to charter, ZB content with sunshine routes and EZY & FR only just starting up, WW have been handed a lifeline. They were the 1st LCC operator at MAN but they have been slow expanding and in recent years have fallen behind. Now they have a second chance. Will they take it? Looking at the recent history of the bmi group as a whole, I sincerely doubt it!
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I think Lisbon, Madrid and Nice would be good destiantions for Baby to pick up and they fit into their route network served from other bases. Also Toulouse would be a good route for them to bring back albeit with a better timing than what Jet2 offered as i think this was probably their downfall on the route. Finnally not too long ago there was a strong rumour that Londonderry was going to be a new route from Manchester with the most likely and most rumoured airline to be operating the route being Bmibaby. Lets hope they do bring some more destinations though would be good to see them expand a little... something we havn't seen them do much lately other than at Birmingham.
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The difference being that Jet2's MAN-NCE route is operated during the summer months only whereas WW can sustain Nice services year round. One of Jet2's biggest downfalls, simply assuming that no-one would want to travel to such destinations during the winter without even testing the water.
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Finnally not too long ago there was a strong rumour that Londonderry was going to be a new route from Manchester with the most likely and most rumoured airline to be operating the route being Bmibaby.
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BA to introduce A321 on MAN-LHR flights from summer season replacing 752s.
As BMI increase their frequency, they will also be decreasing their ER4 usage on the route, bringing in more A319/20 aircraft which is always good!
TOM to increase TLV flights to 3x weekly from next summer also.
As BMI increase their frequency, they will also be decreasing their ER4 usage on the route, bringing in more A319/20 aircraft which is always good!
TOM to increase TLV flights to 3x weekly from next summer also.
AirLCY, I wouldn't take BACON as a good yardstick, they couldn't fill anything to anywhere at anytime. eg Lufty carried more people to FRA in C class than BACON could muster in their entire aircraft.
Some of the most unlikeliest routes seem to have been sustained ex LPL over the winters. With the right marketing, timings frequency & pricing many routes can survive the winters.
Some of the most unlikeliest routes seem to have been sustained ex LPL over the winters. With the right marketing, timings frequency & pricing many routes can survive the winters.
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Mr Tis
For some reason I am unable to quote but.....
in response to 'they couldn't fill anything to anywhere at any time' I wondered where you got your information from.
I must have been in a permenant hallucinogenic state as I more often than not flew on a full or almost full aircraft
Since the days of Flybe the loads have dropped.
in response to 'they couldn't fill anything to anywhere at any time' I wondered where you got your information from.
I must have been in a permenant hallucinogenic state as I more often than not flew on a full or almost full aircraft
Since the days of Flybe the loads have dropped.
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Bacon/flybe
I know facts are in short supply on P-Prune but had to add a few here-
A) BACON lost over a million a year for a number of years on Madrid.
B) Flybe's market shares on the routes they retained at MAN are way in excess of Bacon's.
Please feel free to return to speculation.
A) BACON lost over a million a year for a number of years on Madrid.
B) Flybe's market shares on the routes they retained at MAN are way in excess of Bacon's.
Please feel free to return to speculation.
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As has been said many times Connect was set up to sell, figures and statistics can be juggled/manipulated, call it what you will...
I am not speculating I was merely talking about bums on seats - lots of them with Connect not as many with Flybe. I don't need to speculate I see for myself.
I am not speculating I was merely talking about bums on seats - lots of them with Connect not as many with Flybe. I don't need to speculate I see for myself.
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I can't help but feel that following the change from CitiExpress to Connect, BA's yield management team took a holiday.
More 'bums on seats' maybe.....but at what yield.
I guess the main difference now, is that many of the BACon routes under Flybe's high ancilliary revenue model are making money even with fewer passengers.
As 'uncovered' has said, Flybe's market share on the ex BACon routes has increased which points towards better times ahead.
More 'bums on seats' maybe.....but at what yield.
I guess the main difference now, is that many of the BACon routes under Flybe's high ancilliary revenue model are making money even with fewer passengers.
As 'uncovered' has said, Flybe's market share on the ex BACon routes has increased which points towards better times ahead.
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Agree with some of the points re Bacon - but you must remember that Flybe's market share is bound to be better than Bacon's - Flybe was one of the main competitors! NCE may work year round for somebody, but prob twice a week which must include a Sat service, maybe more in Feb as a massive trade fair in NCE.
The whole reason Bacon was created was to lower fares and grow pax volume, so assume yields would have reduced, but Bacon didnt have the benefit of ripping people off charging £6 per bag each way or whatever it is now on Flybe. £6 per pax on Bacons few million pax would have helped the loss making airline.
Also you need to remember with FRA that 70 to 80% of LH pax are connecting to the worldwide network in the same way as 80% of BA LHR traffic is connecting.
The whole reason Bacon was created was to lower fares and grow pax volume, so assume yields would have reduced, but Bacon didnt have the benefit of ripping people off charging £6 per bag each way or whatever it is now on Flybe. £6 per pax on Bacons few million pax would have helped the loss making airline.
Also you need to remember with FRA that 70 to 80% of LH pax are connecting to the worldwide network in the same way as 80% of BA LHR traffic is connecting.
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Slightly off thread, But I went on ZB's site earlier this week, They said that if you booked by Wed 2 Jan you will save £20 each way on 'ALL' flights for travel upto March 08.
Checked out MAN - AGP it was exactly the same price as it was weeks ago, for the same flight No change.
Checked out MAN - ALC again same price as before for same flights??
Where was the £20 each way discount then??
Was it another Marketing stunt??
I would have booked, But it still didn't work out any cheaper with the £5 per way seat allocation charge.
The whole exercise drove me loopy
Any answers please.....
Checked out MAN - AGP it was exactly the same price as it was weeks ago, for the same flight No change.
Checked out MAN - ALC again same price as before for same flights??
Where was the £20 each way discount then??
Was it another Marketing stunt??
I would have booked, But it still didn't work out any cheaper with the £5 per way seat allocation charge.
The whole exercise drove me loopy
Any answers please.....
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Usually, you save £5 per sector per person, but if you look at how much you save 'by not doing it over the phone' then it should say £30 per person:
£10 2 sectors
£20 saving
£30 Total
Hope this helps!
£10 2 sectors
£20 saving
£30 Total
Hope this helps!
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Cheers MUFC Fan, It didn't make any sense at all, On ZB's site it said £20 off each way, But the price was exactly the same as what I saw weeks ago. Where was the discount??
MAN - ALC FRI 18 JAN 0715 out - 2230 back = £56 + £10 for seats.
If they did scrap the seat charges, They would sell more seats
MAN - ALC FRI 18 JAN 0715 out - 2230 back = £56 + £10 for seats.
If they did scrap the seat charges, They would sell more seats
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Cheers MUFC Fan, It didn't make any sense at all, On ZB's site it said £20 off each way, But the price was exactly the same as what I saw weeks ago. Where was the discount??
MAN - ALC FRI 18 JAN 0715 out - 2230 back = £56 + £10 for seats.
If they did scrap the seat charges, They would sell more seats
MAN - ALC FRI 18 JAN 0715 out - 2230 back = £56 + £10 for seats.
If they did scrap the seat charges, They would sell more seats
) Selling £5 seat allocations is just another way of making money, just like FR do with check-in etc.