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As far as i know, this summer will be a 2 x A320 operation. Nothing was mentioned either about having overseas based aircraft operating into MAN.
This could all change, however, the GT routes will operate this summer regardless.
This could all change, however, the GT routes will operate this summer regardless.
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flybe cancel flights from most of its "original" airports (pre Bacon) in January until the 2nd week in February (school hols).
I can only speak for bhx but usually one mid-morning or midday gla & edi are chopped on Tuesdays to Thursdays and sometimes an evening
one as well on Monday to Thursdays (not this year though).
Belfast sometimes gets the same treatment and this year Brest stops
all together until the Feb school holidays.
500 sounds a lot and especially until March but in the case of EDI & GLA when you are operating eight a day there are some savings to be had without ****ing off too many pax during the "low season".
Others from flybe might be able to give you some more background detail to this but as far as I know it is nothing to do with crew hours or aircraft maintenance just saving money.
Pete
flybe cancel flights from most of its "original" airports (pre Bacon) in January until the 2nd week in February (school hols).
I can only speak for bhx but usually one mid-morning or midday gla & edi are chopped on Tuesdays to Thursdays and sometimes an evening
one as well on Monday to Thursdays (not this year though).
Belfast sometimes gets the same treatment and this year Brest stops
all together until the Feb school holidays.
500 sounds a lot and especially until March but in the case of EDI & GLA when you are operating eight a day there are some savings to be had without ****ing off too many pax during the "low season".
Others from flybe might be able to give you some more background detail to this but as far as I know it is nothing to do with crew hours or aircraft maintenance just saving money.
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But there are a lot more than normal....or so it seems. Presumably because of the larger size of the airline compared to previous years, I don't know but I know that the regional airports such as EXT and NWI have also been hit. On the bright side, the routes will be coming back!!! (eventually)
But there are a lot more than normal....or so it seems. Presumably because of the larger size of the airline compared to previous years, I don't know but I know that the regional airports such as EXT and NWI have also been hit. On the bright side, the routes will be coming back!!! (eventually)
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Post on another thread suggests Zoom may announce soom more flights in new year. No idea where from though.
I have to say that taking all into account their showing for MAN so far is very poor.
Bearing in mind that apart from Zoom and GSM there is now no one offering scheduled flights from MAN ( TCX & TS are really charters for Canadian Affairs) you would think they could offer a bit more.
Viscount
Post on another thread suggests Zoom may announce soom more flights in new year. No idea where from though.
I have to say that taking all into account their showing for MAN so far is very poor.
Bearing in mind that apart from Zoom and GSM there is now no one offering scheduled flights from MAN ( TCX & TS are really charters for Canadian Affairs) you would think they could offer a bit more.
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Why are BMI sat on there arse when there is such a massive market at MAN? BA are clearly not going to do anytihng so why not start a massive expansion from the airport?!
I know that they have just intergrated BMED into BMI but can they not see the demand at MAN on long haul?
They don't offer many long haul connections from LHR so they can't offer that as an excuse. They do, however, use UA at both ORD and LHR but hardly anything to the east!
Place an order for 10+10 A330s and A350XWBs and get MAN back on the map! PVG, HKG, LAX ETC. They have Star connections across the globe, why not utilise them?!
I would like to know you views.
I know that they have just intergrated BMED into BMI but can they not see the demand at MAN on long haul?
They don't offer many long haul connections from LHR so they can't offer that as an excuse. They do, however, use UA at both ORD and LHR but hardly anything to the east!
Place an order for 10+10 A330s and A350XWBs and get MAN back on the map! PVG, HKG, LAX ETC. They have Star connections across the globe, why not utilise them?!
I would like to know you views.
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MUFC fan, I genuinely think BMI are pretty lost for direction regarding long-haul. I'm not even sure they know where to commit themselves to regarding their long haul stuff nowadays.
From the start of BD long haul MAN was just a convenient place to dump the 330's whilst they waited for open skies, however now they have what they wanted all along their transatlantic plans ex-LHR seem to have stalled (!!!) So I'm guessing MAN's long haul has a stay of execution for the time being at least. There were rumours of more 330's on order (almost definitely for LHR ops) recently but not sure about the status of this order?
In my opinion they could make more of a commitment long-haul ex-MAN, the 330 seems a good sized aircraft for routes such as MAN to Los Angeles, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Delhi and Bombay......I believe a South Africa service got very close to announcement stage a fews year back but they got cold feet citing crewing issues as the excuse.
Regarding future commitment to long haul ex-MAN I would be surprised if anything new cropped up in the immediate future but given BMI's previous decision making anything is possible!
From the start of BD long haul MAN was just a convenient place to dump the 330's whilst they waited for open skies, however now they have what they wanted all along their transatlantic plans ex-LHR seem to have stalled (!!!) So I'm guessing MAN's long haul has a stay of execution for the time being at least. There were rumours of more 330's on order (almost definitely for LHR ops) recently but not sure about the status of this order?
In my opinion they could make more of a commitment long-haul ex-MAN, the 330 seems a good sized aircraft for routes such as MAN to Los Angeles, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Delhi and Bombay......I believe a South Africa service got very close to announcement stage a fews year back but they got cold feet citing crewing issues as the excuse.
Regarding future commitment to long haul ex-MAN I would be surprised if anything new cropped up in the immediate future but given BMI's previous decision making anything is possible!
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In my opinion, bmi are just another BA. They are not fully committed to the regions and ultimately are only interesting in LHR. I agree with MAN Guy's post. Opening long haul routes from MAN was just a means of getting themselves into the long haul market, using the airport as a 'dumping' ground for their A330's and making a name for themselves by producing what has turned out to be a very good long haul product. They can use their excellent long haul reputation to their advantage once they are ready to go trans-atlantic from Heathrow. It don't think it will be long before we see nothing more than a 1 x daily to ORD. The rest will vanish just like IAD did. I reckon at some point VS will take on the Caribbean routes that BD leave behind. bmi simply aren't interested in MAN. They must realise the potential for services to LAX etc but have chosen to ignore it. It's airlines like this that we don't need at Manchester. We've had our fair share of them in the past and bmi, at least in terms of long haul, are just another to add to a long list 
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i can see exactly what you are saying regarding bmi and the potential at MAN. personally i would like to see both bmi and ba see the true potential for longhaul ex MAN and start adding the aircraft and routes that the airport deserves.
i do, however doubt ba will ever do it, especially considering its very much turning into London airways or should i say Heathrow airways.
surely the MAN-JFK has a very good reputation and good loads, it should serve as an example to BA that people want to fly ex MAN and avoid LHR
just my opinion!
i can see exactly what you are saying regarding bmi and the potential at MAN. personally i would like to see both bmi and ba see the true potential for longhaul ex MAN and start adding the aircraft and routes that the airport deserves.
i do, however doubt ba will ever do it, especially considering its very much turning into London airways or should i say Heathrow airways.
surely the MAN-JFK has a very good reputation and good loads, it should serve as an example to BA that people want to fly ex MAN and avoid LHR
just my opinion!
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The MAN-JFK with BA is very popular and it has been said that the airline is waiting for the loads to drop to give the airline an excuse to cancel the route and use the slots at JFK and the plane for different purpses (obviously including LHR!
) Whether you wish to believe this or not, the good old MAN passengers are keeping the route going and their persistance seems to be rewarding the airport and the route.
Just a shame BA don't realise it will be able to work with other routes also...
Maybe when the 787s arrive the 763s being brought out of LHR maybe become available...oh wait...LHR will have changed it's runway operations and they will have too many slots to fill with aircraft!
The MAN-JFK with BA is very popular and it has been said that the airline is waiting for the loads to drop to give the airline an excuse to cancel the route and use the slots at JFK and the plane for different purpses (obviously including LHR!
) Whether you wish to believe this or not, the good old MAN passengers are keeping the route going and their persistance seems to be rewarding the airport and the route. Just a shame BA don't realise it will be able to work with other routes also...
Maybe when the 787s arrive the 763s being brought out of LHR maybe become available...oh wait...LHR will have changed it's runway operations and they will have too many slots to fill with aircraft!
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Yes I remember BA pulled their Los Angeles service because it was making too much money. I can't understand why BMI don't fly MAN-LAX as it's obviously a goldmine ( seriously ? )
Well except for the possibility that all the other long haul routes are MAN-foreign hub.....and BMI has no hub at Los Angeles. The other long haul routes are non daily leisure routes.
Think : US - PHL hub, CO - EWR hub, SQ - SIN hub, EK DXB, hub, EY - AUH, QR - DOH hub, DL - ATL and JFK hubs, AA - ORD hub.
The exception is BA - JFK which still annoys the Hell out of BA London lol.
It becomes a no brainer that pound for pound MAN-USA will yield less than LHR-USA, and so the fact that there are a finite number of A330s will see them at Heathrow sooner rather than later.
Well except for the possibility that all the other long haul routes are MAN-foreign hub.....and BMI has no hub at Los Angeles. The other long haul routes are non daily leisure routes.
Think : US - PHL hub, CO - EWR hub, SQ - SIN hub, EK DXB, hub, EY - AUH, QR - DOH hub, DL - ATL and JFK hubs, AA - ORD hub.
The exception is BA - JFK which still annoys the Hell out of BA London lol.
It becomes a no brainer that pound for pound MAN-USA will yield less than LHR-USA, and so the fact that there are a finite number of A330s will see them at Heathrow sooner rather than later.
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It becomes a no brainer that pound for pound MAN-USA will yield less than LHR-USA, and so the fact that there are a finite number of A330s will see them at Heathrow sooner rather than later.
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And thats the problem, but can you blame them? They are a business, not a charity.
What MAN needs is a new airline (or existing) that can build a long haul route network from the airport, being extremely aggressive in all areas - advertising, orders, prices, service etc. Look at DXB, before EK started it's boom, the region was looking at nothing after oil supplies ran out, now it is home to the most exciting airline on the planet! EK have introduced cheaper fares, advertise in nearly every sport, made HUGE aircraft orders, got immaculate aircraft flying all four corners of the globe.
Although MAN does not have the sun or the oil industry, it does have something over the Middle East in that it is perfectly placed between East and West which has been something LHR has been benefitting off for many years. If an airline was able to build a network like the three middle eastern carriers (EK, QR, EY) and now other ailines such as Jet in India, then the airport would not have to attract all it's passengers to the North West, just offer competitive fares, great service and easy transfers.
It becomes a no brainer that pound for pound MAN-USA will yield less than LHR-USA, and so the fact that there are a finite number of A330s will see them at Heathrow sooner rather than later.
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And thats the problem, but can you blame them? They are a business, not a charity.
What MAN needs is a new airline (or existing) that can build a long haul route network from the airport, being extremely aggressive in all areas - advertising, orders, prices, service etc. Look at DXB, before EK started it's boom, the region was looking at nothing after oil supplies ran out, now it is home to the most exciting airline on the planet! EK have introduced cheaper fares, advertise in nearly every sport, made HUGE aircraft orders, got immaculate aircraft flying all four corners of the globe.
Although MAN does not have the sun or the oil industry, it does have something over the Middle East in that it is perfectly placed between East and West which has been something LHR has been benefitting off for many years. If an airline was able to build a network like the three middle eastern carriers (EK, QR, EY) and now other ailines such as Jet in India, then the airport would not have to attract all it's passengers to the North West, just offer competitive fares, great service and easy transfers.
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Yes I remember BA pulled their Los Angeles service because it was making too much money.
To say MANLAX made too much money is as far from the truth as you could get.
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Er.....I know. I was being sarcastic. Oh dearie me....
The point you make is a good one, because BA London ensured the enterprise was handicapped from day one.
The point you make is a good one, because BA London ensured the enterprise was handicapped from day one.
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Personally I would like to see BA disappear from MAN completely and never reurn. They are parasitic and handicap LH growth by transferring pax via LHR, their LGW service is comically unreliable, and BA Engineering could likely survive their departure as they mostly do 3rd party work anyway.
