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Would find it surprising that SQ go to 3 class 773ER, as that would mean a seat reduction. I believe there was talk of a 2 class 773ER, but not sure if SQ will change config from what they have on these frames. Talk was of going double daily on some days, but it can be a pain getting seats on SQ out of MAN.
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You'll never see an SQ A380 pax service to MAN.
Don't hold you're breath on a 3 class 773ER to MAN either. This rumour pops up every now and again and there is always a chance it 'could' happen but it's unlikely as there is no F market ex-MAN so it would be a complete waste of the aircraft. SQ do not have any 2 class 773ER's.
The 772ER is ideal for MAN and the request for 2 or 3 additional weekly flights is still in but they are short of birds at the moment. What also goes against the request is the current fuel bill with it being the longest nonstop leg on a 772ER ex-SIN.
Don't hold you're breath on a 3 class 773ER to MAN either. This rumour pops up every now and again and there is always a chance it 'could' happen but it's unlikely as there is no F market ex-MAN so it would be a complete waste of the aircraft. SQ do not have any 2 class 773ER's.
The 772ER is ideal for MAN and the request for 2 or 3 additional weekly flights is still in but they are short of birds at the moment. What also goes against the request is the current fuel bill with it being the longest nonstop leg on a 772ER ex-SIN.
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Whilst the Easy-fever on here seems to have died down (for this week at least 
) I'm going to ask for thoughts / possible news about a route which I'm surprised hasn't been reinstated since the 90's, and that is MAN-Moscow.
I know relations are somewhat "cool" between Russia and the UK just now but it does seem odd that there isn't even a 2x or 3x weekly serving this route. I know SU operated this route for quite a while, mid/late 80's to mid 90's as I recall with a mixture of equipment until they finally withdrew the service. The proposed Transaero service a couple of years back ended up being a non-starter and never actually got off the ground. Obviously we are all aware of CX's past intention to link MAN-SVO until that hit the buffers too.
Anybody on here think there is there any possibility, or better still, heard any rumours / possible news that a carrier (Aeroflot, Rossiya, Transaero etc) might want to fly MAN-Moscow again in the near future? Also what is the current state of bilateral restrictions on this route?
All thoughts, observations and comments much appreciated!
) I'm going to ask for thoughts / possible news about a route which I'm surprised hasn't been reinstated since the 90's, and that is MAN-Moscow.I know relations are somewhat "cool" between Russia and the UK just now but it does seem odd that there isn't even a 2x or 3x weekly serving this route. I know SU operated this route for quite a while, mid/late 80's to mid 90's as I recall with a mixture of equipment until they finally withdrew the service. The proposed Transaero service a couple of years back ended up being a non-starter and never actually got off the ground. Obviously we are all aware of CX's past intention to link MAN-SVO until that hit the buffers too.
Anybody on here think there is there any possibility, or better still, heard any rumours / possible news that a carrier (Aeroflot, Rossiya, Transaero etc) might want to fly MAN-Moscow again in the near future? Also what is the current state of bilateral restrictions on this route?
All thoughts, observations and comments much appreciated!
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November provisionals...
Apologies for no October round-up, but straight on to the November round-up!
Let's start with a dropped route: Luxembourg. Strangely, even though no non-stop services operated, the number of passengers acutally increased to 4500 with VLM's extra MAN-LCY-LUX rotations. So I think we know who was flying most passengers to LUX when there was "competition"!
Other new routes- Centralwings "only" 1400 to Krakow (Skyeurope had 2200 last year) but Warsaw saw over 2000 passengers (300 more than when LOT operated last year). Volareweb's impact can be shown as the number of passengers to Milan fell compared to last year, even through it theoretically should have risen given more capacity available! Thomsomfly to TEl Aviv with over 4000 passengers (77? per flight, almost seems ideal for El Al 737 operations?!).
Icelandair did well with 20% increase in numbers; the Irish routes show Shannon, Waterford and Cork as gaining. Sun Air to Billund did nicely as well with 2000 passengers but bmi to Lyon is not doing as well as could be expected as it's not attracting the numbers BAConnect did. Turkish showed strong growth to average around 116 pax a flight (wonder what the impact of today's A330 will have on December's figures!)
Long-haul wise, bmi appears to be doing very well to the Caribbean; Las Vegas saw 6 fewer passengers. Middle East services continue to impress (Emirates up 12.5% to 40000 passengers which is 330 pax per flight, Etihad up 30% to 12500 which is 208 per flight and Qatar had just under 12500 passsngers: 1st time EY beaten QR at MAN?). Singapore Airlines carried just under the same number of passengers as last year (14000). Destination USA saw gains to Atlanta, Newark, Chicago, Orlando and Philidelphia. JFK probably down due to less capacity on offer. For Pakistan, it's the same as before since Air Blue started: Islamabad thriving whilst Karachi and Lahore seeing fewer passengers combined.
Let's start with a dropped route: Luxembourg. Strangely, even though no non-stop services operated, the number of passengers acutally increased to 4500 with VLM's extra MAN-LCY-LUX rotations. So I think we know who was flying most passengers to LUX when there was "competition"!
Other new routes- Centralwings "only" 1400 to Krakow (Skyeurope had 2200 last year) but Warsaw saw over 2000 passengers (300 more than when LOT operated last year). Volareweb's impact can be shown as the number of passengers to Milan fell compared to last year, even through it theoretically should have risen given more capacity available! Thomsomfly to TEl Aviv with over 4000 passengers (77? per flight, almost seems ideal for El Al 737 operations?!).
Icelandair did well with 20% increase in numbers; the Irish routes show Shannon, Waterford and Cork as gaining. Sun Air to Billund did nicely as well with 2000 passengers but bmi to Lyon is not doing as well as could be expected as it's not attracting the numbers BAConnect did. Turkish showed strong growth to average around 116 pax a flight (wonder what the impact of today's A330 will have on December's figures!)
Long-haul wise, bmi appears to be doing very well to the Caribbean; Las Vegas saw 6 fewer passengers. Middle East services continue to impress (Emirates up 12.5% to 40000 passengers which is 330 pax per flight, Etihad up 30% to 12500 which is 208 per flight and Qatar had just under 12500 passsngers: 1st time EY beaten QR at MAN?). Singapore Airlines carried just under the same number of passengers as last year (14000). Destination USA saw gains to Atlanta, Newark, Chicago, Orlando and Philidelphia. JFK probably down due to less capacity on offer. For Pakistan, it's the same as before since Air Blue started: Islamabad thriving whilst Karachi and Lahore seeing fewer passengers combined.
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domestic routes
Bit more difficult to weigh-up whats happening as some routes appears to not have full month figures i.e. I daresay VLM carried more than 100 passengers in the entire month to London City!
Those routes that appears to have full reporting, starting specifically with WOW: Bristol shows 0 passenger (was 2800 last year), Newquay has 880 passengers (down form 3500) and Plymouth about 3500 passngers (1800 last year) and Cardiff with 0 (down 1400). Probably needs some adjusting to "correct" figures.
Eastern's resumption on Stansted shows under 1500 passengers (the route shows 7000 fewer passengers) which I reckon make 35% to 36% loads. Heathrow down 3000 passengers to 83000 and Gatwick down 5500 passengers to 40500. To Scotland: all routes increased (biggest rise is to Edinburgh). bmibaby shows a 2000 passenger fall to Belfast Aldergrove. Flybe's other routes show Exeter increasing with Southampton decreasing. Isle of Man and Jersey also show increases.
Those routes that appears to have full reporting, starting specifically with WOW: Bristol shows 0 passenger (was 2800 last year), Newquay has 880 passengers (down form 3500) and Plymouth about 3500 passngers (1800 last year) and Cardiff with 0 (down 1400). Probably needs some adjusting to "correct" figures.
Eastern's resumption on Stansted shows under 1500 passengers (the route shows 7000 fewer passengers) which I reckon make 35% to 36% loads. Heathrow down 3000 passengers to 83000 and Gatwick down 5500 passengers to 40500. To Scotland: all routes increased (biggest rise is to Edinburgh). bmibaby shows a 2000 passenger fall to Belfast Aldergrove. Flybe's other routes show Exeter increasing with Southampton decreasing. Isle of Man and Jersey also show increases.
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Interesting stuff as always Ringwayman thanks for the information. Do you have any updates on LN and RB figures? I'm always quite interested in how these "odd-ball" routes are performing.
I think last set of figures prior to these suggested RB were down by a considerable amount of pax, is this still the case? I believe they are back up to 2x weekly now but the new timings are somewhat bizarre to say the least.
Round two of Easy-fever looks like its just around the corner.....get ready folks
I think last set of figures prior to these suggested RB were down by a considerable amount of pax, is this still the case? I believe they are back up to 2x weekly now but the new timings are somewhat bizarre to say the least.
Round two of Easy-fever looks like its just around the corner.....get ready folks
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Oddballers.....
LN = 1100 passengers, almost doubled. RB decided to be a game of darts as they had 501 passengers (up 65 from last year!) and SV shows only 640 passengers to Riyadh - nothing showing for Jeddah or Geneva?!
Has it been mentioned that VG is doing much better than expected to Antwerp? If not, it has now!
Has it been mentioned that VG is doing much better than expected to Antwerp? If not, it has now!
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Still off the easyJet topic - for the time being at least.
A year ago I posted the question of whether 23L would be getting an ILS and I am sure that a positive response was received - in particular from Lordtoofourright; who claimed the 05R ILS was ex LHR.
Now I can not find anything in the archives, as ILS and 24L is too short a search item. So, can anybody give an update as to whether it is still in the plans?
As has there been any futher news with regards to the proposal for a new control tower?
Right I'm off for a really relaxed evening - and hopefully a win on the lottery - and hope to have lots of responses before the subject of easyJet raises its head again early next week!
Now I can not find anything in the archives, as ILS and 24L is too short a search item. So, can anybody give an update as to whether it is still in the plans?
As has there been any futher news with regards to the proposal for a new control tower?
Right I'm off for a really relaxed evening - and hopefully a win on the lottery - and hope to have lots of responses before the subject of easyJet raises its head again early next week!
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At an ATC presentation to The Aviation Society Last week, it was suggested that the preferred location for the 60 meter high tower is next to the fire station on the old met office site, this would be a bit strange as I was under the impression that all this area was set aside for a new taxiway.
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An extract from MAG Team Briefing 12th December 2007
GCEO's Brief (The Fat Controller 'Geoff Muirhead')
East Midlands and Bournemouth already have low-cost growth profiles and good progress is also being made with regards to Easyjet basing aircraft at Manchester!!
GCEO's Brief (The Fat Controller 'Geoff Muirhead')
East Midlands and Bournemouth already have low-cost growth profiles and good progress is also being made with regards to Easyjet basing aircraft at Manchester!!
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Any idea why I can book an evening flight out on a Friday in June and back on a Sunday (SN2182/1) but not in July? Are Brussels cutting this route back, or has it just not been uploaded yet? 
Edit: even more confusion - the June flight will be operated by FlyBe according to the Brussels website!
Edit: even more confusion - the June flight will be operated by FlyBe according to the Brussels website!
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the evening flight does indeed stop for a while over the summer period but does return
I can only surmise that this is due to low demand as happens quite a lot in Europe over the summer period
Ian
I can only surmise that this is due to low demand as happens quite a lot in Europe over the summer period
Ian