DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 4
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I've been privated messaged by someone who tells me "its opperating out of XE and XW" - now presumably that means RAF Leeming and RAF Waddington? In that case it's better for me as I live under the final approach for RAF Leeming.
airshow traffic
not usual for RAF stations to open their doors at weekends???
Not too sure if those guys up the road really want the extra air traffic..its busy enough i would have thought?
I come back to my first post...wonder how much revenue isactually lost/gained by this show?
Not too sure if those guys up the road really want the extra air traffic..its busy enough i would have thought?
I come back to my first post...wonder how much revenue isactually lost/gained by this show?
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highwideandugly - It's starting to look like you're right and DTVA has lost the traffic - the reason being a significant rise in landing/parking fees. But for the record, I wasn't 'wrong again', at the time I wrote what I wrote, it was accurate, it's just that it has sinse changed.
It seems Kerry is continuing Hugh's path of destruction - has she not got any ironing or anything to do?
It seems Kerry is continuing Hugh's path of destruction - has she not got any ironing or anything to do?
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DTVairport I think this is the tip of the iceberg.
I also beleive handling of all aircraft by an agent is compulsory now?
That means added costs for the priviledge of landing at DTV.This is of course on top of the fees incured anyway.
Probably doubles the fees for some aircraft??
Not sure about fees for aero club..maybe someone from there could let us know?
so a reduction im movements in the future on the cards??
I also beleive handling of all aircraft by an agent is compulsory now?
That means added costs for the priviledge of landing at DTV.This is of course on top of the fees incured anyway.
Probably doubles the fees for some aircraft??
Not sure about fees for aero club..maybe someone from there could let us know?
so a reduction im movements in the future on the cards??
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Where all of the scheduled/charter/cargo flights were failing, GA stuff was beginning to boom, and if Peel want a housing estate/business park/industrial estate built in place of the airport, they had to do something about it, so it looks like this is the reason for the huge rise in fee's, as well as the compulsary handling - however, up until now, we've only lost one based GA aircraft, and I think we've gained about three new based aircraft, and the number of visiting aircraft doesn't seem to have dropped, so fingers crossed, it hasn't worked?
Quite honestly, all this cr*p surrounding DTVA almost made be give up the hobby about a year ago. I'm at the point now where I just want it to end - either Peel making a go of things (preferably) or just shut up shop so I can start supporting NCL and watch that place start to go down hill. Let's stop all this prolonged suffering.
Quite honestly, all this cr*p surrounding DTVA almost made be give up the hobby about a year ago. I'm at the point now where I just want it to end - either Peel making a go of things (preferably) or just shut up shop so I can start supporting NCL and watch that place start to go down hill. Let's stop all this prolonged suffering.
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What I meant was, anything I've ever taken an interest in has gone south - I start supporting Leeds United, look what happened to them, I start watching EastEnders and The Bill, viewing figures drop dramatically, and The Bill drops to one episode per week, to get back on topic, bmi is my favourite airline, they went through a bad patch (although they're starting to pick back up again now), I start supporting my Durham Tees Valley Airport...
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For the next 18 months DTVA are going to be very quite. As we have seen on here the winter 2008 and summer 2009 schedules are dire.
GA will come and go, the landing fees are not that expensive compared to other fully equipped airfields, Mandatory handling adds a measly £5.00 for any GA traffic, and you couldn't get a better handling service. The only issues that will force GA out of the airport is the increase in hangarage charges. Costs for a C172 is around £850/qtr in Hangar 3.
DTVA are hoping that Ryanair will be the saving grace
and start more services from DTVA.
No-one yet knows what's happening with FRA and the Hawk aircraft they will be looking after. Will they bring them to DTVA or will FRA leave for Leeming - your guess is as good as mine!!
Unless things take a turn for the better, DTVA will become another Sheffield and turn into a business park or housing estate.
GA will come and go, the landing fees are not that expensive compared to other fully equipped airfields, Mandatory handling adds a measly £5.00 for any GA traffic, and you couldn't get a better handling service. The only issues that will force GA out of the airport is the increase in hangarage charges. Costs for a C172 is around £850/qtr in Hangar 3.
DTVA are hoping that Ryanair will be the saving grace
and start more services from DTVA.No-one yet knows what's happening with FRA and the Hawk aircraft they will be looking after. Will they bring them to DTVA or will FRA leave for Leeming - your guess is as good as mine!!
Unless things take a turn for the better, DTVA will become another Sheffield and turn into a business park or housing estate.
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Dear DTVAirport, I presume that you are English and support England which is why we are not at Euro 2008.McLaren got the blame and it is your fault. Please could you pick another nationality and whilst you are in the country obtaining your papers see if you can convince a foreign airline , anyone will do ,to chuck a couple of flights into Teesside airport because the future is no longer bleak but non existant after October if no new business is forthcoming. It will be impossible to justify running the airport for longer than two one hour spells a day on the commercial side and I cannot see anyone wanting to work for 10 one hour spells per week for the minimum wage which is paid in the bars and shops. I do think we tend to forget the little people in the equation rather than dwelling on the big picture even though some of them are pretty surly and unhelpful.
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Coming close to my QXC and the norm is EGNC/EGNV/EGNT/EGNC.
Bollox to them. Far too expensive for the landing fees. Will try and do Carlisle/Walney/Barton/Carlisle or Carlisle/Sherburn/Walney/Carlisle.
Getting a little bit sick of some airports that have next to bugger all movements trying to charge the earth for a basic land and departure. It is about time that the CAA recognised all airports/dromes/fields as being relevant to granting the poo brown bit.
What is more useful? Landing away at a 600m grass strip with restrictions on the approach and departure or a 1800m hard runway with a straight in because you are a student and are not to be trusted with an overhead join.
Bollox to them. Far too expensive for the landing fees. Will try and do Carlisle/Walney/Barton/Carlisle or Carlisle/Sherburn/Walney/Carlisle.
Getting a little bit sick of some airports that have next to bugger all movements trying to charge the earth for a basic land and departure. It is about time that the CAA recognised all airports/dromes/fields as being relevant to granting the poo brown bit.
What is more useful? Landing away at a 600m grass strip with restrictions on the approach and departure or a 1800m hard runway with a straight in because you are a student and are not to be trusted with an overhead join.
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It seems by the tone of a lot of posts on here that people are actually willing DTV/MME to fail. Yes routes may be getting pulled, but they seem to be everywhere at present - it's just that because we don't have a huge amount in the first place that it seems like it's the end of the world. At the end of the day I think everyone needs to remember that people's careers could be at stake and I find it quite insensitive the amount of negativity towards MME for whatever reason.
Now - has it been confirmed MME has no airshow traffic? I've been rather out of the loop for the last few weeks being out of the country and all!!
-HD-
Now - has it been confirmed MME has no airshow traffic? I've been rather out of the loop for the last few weeks being out of the country and all!!
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I am always a half full person rather than a half empty but even I cannot put a positive spin on what the future holds for air travel from Teesside.
Charter flights cease to exist from the end of October from the only 2 travel companies in the UK who actually count.Ryan Air are in a virtual shutdown situation in all but their most profitable routes because of the oil situation. Wizz are holding back on information on routes.Globespan are Globespan. Peel Holdings are suing the only sevice holders to Heathrow and so far it has been a typical miserable British summer. The only bright spot is that the housing and retail markets are either stagnant or in a state of imminent collapse depending on who you believe and so Peel will not push for a change of use for the airport at the moment.
Charter flights cease to exist from the end of October from the only 2 travel companies in the UK who actually count.Ryan Air are in a virtual shutdown situation in all but their most profitable routes because of the oil situation. Wizz are holding back on information on routes.Globespan are Globespan. Peel Holdings are suing the only sevice holders to Heathrow and so far it has been a typical miserable British summer. The only bright spot is that the housing and retail markets are either stagnant or in a state of imminent collapse depending on who you believe and so Peel will not push for a change of use for the airport at the moment.
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Originally Posted by paarmo
Globespan are Globespan.
Originally Posted by paarmo
The only bright spot is that the housing and retail markets are either stagnant or in a state of imminent collapse depending on who you believe and so Peel will not push for a change of use for the airport at the moment.
With regards to air show traffic, I've been asked to keep the information I've been given to myself, but sufficient is it to say, any airport capable of handling the traffic is still in with a chance; and it would seem that NCL (perhaps arrogantly?) are making preparations to handle the traffic despite having not got the contract yet.
Wasn't the airshow handling a five year contract? And now that hangar two is empty airside it will be ideal to house the jet fighters. The airshow would cause chaos at NCL.
Southside roads have been delayed until at least November.
Southside roads have been delayed until at least November.
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What ever happened to old fashioned accountability?, under performance in most vocations would at least put pressure on one's job. The management team ie 'the girls' appear to be making a complete hash of things, whilst carrying on regardless. Oh you say 'but these are now hard times what with fuel prices & resulting airline cut backs'....this lot couldn't hack it in good times, & probably more likely concerned about the decor in their offices. Unfortunately as I've referred to in earlier postings it all appears to fit into 'the grand plan'.
In the short term there are unlikely to be funds available to invest in the infra structure & improve facilities, clearly revenues from current operations look like diminishing so are furter cost cuts on the cards?, and more importantly at what stage are they likely to fall below the critical level to sustain the level of service and impact upon current operating conditions
Finally a question that has puzzled me for a while. Why do the gulf trooping flights operate from DTV when there appears to be a perfectly suitable military base at leeming possibly even nearer to Catterick garrison?, surely this would save the tax payer money even if they had to errect a marquee to handle the troops. I do recall that many years ago much Otterburn troop activity attracted Belgian & German transports to several N. Yorks airfields though I believe never DTV.
In the short term there are unlikely to be funds available to invest in the infra structure & improve facilities, clearly revenues from current operations look like diminishing so are furter cost cuts on the cards?, and more importantly at what stage are they likely to fall below the critical level to sustain the level of service and impact upon current operating conditions
Finally a question that has puzzled me for a while. Why do the gulf trooping flights operate from DTV when there appears to be a perfectly suitable military base at leeming possibly even nearer to Catterick garrison?, surely this would save the tax payer money even if they had to errect a marquee to handle the troops. I do recall that many years ago much Otterburn troop activity attracted Belgian & German transports to several N. Yorks airfields though I believe never DTV.
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There are no facilities to unload the Omniair aircraft at Leeming and all incoming troops are subject to Immigration and Customs controls as we are. Ergo civilian airfield or specialist military with customs and Immigration on site.
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Fine point accepted, but then have we just introduced customs for military personnel? as said in 70's, 80's & perhaps even later, at least Belgian & German transports operated out of various military establishments in N. Yorks including I believe Leeming ?
Taking this to the extreme then what is the current position re ALL other visting foreign military aircraft operating into the UK ?
Ergo civilian airfield or specialist military with customs and Immigration on site.
Taking this to the extreme then what is the current position re ALL other visting foreign military aircraft operating into the UK ?
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All entrants to UK except foreign heads of state including diplomats who are subject only to showing diplomatic credentials and then pass through customs unchecked must undergo immigration and customs control without exception.
P.S. the only person I can remember recently coming through MME as Head of State is President BUSH and his wife would have had to pass through Imm and Cust. although not in the ritualistic humiliation way that us lesser mortals have to.
I also seem to recall the King of Norway coming through when he was visiting Catterick as Colonel in Chief of a Regiment there.
P.S. the only person I can remember recently coming through MME as Head of State is President BUSH and his wife would have had to pass through Imm and Cust. although not in the ritualistic humiliation way that us lesser mortals have to.
I also seem to recall the King of Norway coming through when he was visiting Catterick as Colonel in Chief of a Regiment there.
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