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I've been reliably informed that the airport won't sue bmibaby in a million years, and it's just 'hot air'.
That article also seems to put an end to the rumour TNT are leaving?
That article also seems to put an end to the rumour TNT are leaving?
The TNT 146s usually take at the most 3 cans out of a possible 7 and a half, or what ever the total is. It used to be full but something happened to cut the load.
The maintenance staff have been informed I believe and have been offered work else where in TNT. (Great if you have a family on Teesside).
The trucking side has overgrown the hangar and parking area so no problem there.
On the subject of cut pack there is now only three based calibrators and often only five DA-20s instead of the previous seven.
Hugh Lang always seemed to have a master plan but answers on a postcard as to what it was.
The maintenance staff have been informed I believe and have been offered work else where in TNT. (Great if you have a family on Teesside).
The trucking side has overgrown the hangar and parking area so no problem there.
On the subject of cut pack there is now only three based calibrators and often only five DA-20s instead of the previous seven.
Hugh Lang always seemed to have a master plan but answers on a postcard as to what it was.
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Seems to me it's coming along just about on schedule.....conversion & sell off of airport land & property into other commercial use thereby realising DTV assets & releasing capital for the benefit of the Peel group. Nice when you have been promted to Group 'whatever' then you can sit comfortably and watch 'Emma & other grand titled under achievers' make a complete mess, whilst indirectly making a significant contribution to the grand plan
Hugh Lang always seemed to have a master plan but answers on a postcard as to what it was.
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
The TNT 146s usually take at the most 3 cans out of a possible 7 and a half, or what ever the total is. It used to be full but something happened to cut the load.
The maintenance staff have been informed I believe and have been offered work else where in TNT. (Great if you have a family on Teesside).
The trucking side has overgrown the hangar and parking area so no problem there.
On the subject of cut pack there is now only three based calibrators and often only five DA-20s instead of the previous seven.
Hugh Lang always seemed to have a master plan but answers on a postcard as to what it was.
The maintenance staff have been informed I believe and have been offered work else where in TNT. (Great if you have a family on Teesside).
The trucking side has overgrown the hangar and parking area so no problem there.
On the subject of cut pack there is now only three based calibrators and often only five DA-20s instead of the previous seven.
Hugh Lang always seemed to have a master plan but answers on a postcard as to what it was.
Yes the Flight Precision Beech 200s have dropped to 3, but there's still 7 FA20s based with FRA, I visit the airport on an almost weekly basis and if they're not out flying, there's always that many parked.
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ATC closures again!
Q)EGTT/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5431N00126W005
FROM 08/05/10 14:45 TO 08/05/10 15:15
E)AIRFIELD CLOSED DUE STAFF SHORTAGE.
FROM 08/05/10 14:45 TO 08/05/10 15:15
E)AIRFIELD CLOSED DUE STAFF SHORTAGE.
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Impressions of MME
Just for a change, I travelled via BMI on the Heathrow today (instead of NCL). Last time through MME was about 7 years ago. Today's experience was not favourable. Entering the terminal building (which at 7.10am was apparently mostly locked up and reminding me of the old Boulogne Port railway station), I was presented by a long snaking queue to get through security (that is the "fast-track" because the other door was locked). The BMI flight was hardly heaving, but there was a GSM dep at about the same time, which seemed pretty busy. Nevertheless, security just couldn't cope with the volume of pax. I overheard one punter who complained being told that it was because that was all the staff they had. The process was constantly interrupted by staff entering and leaving airside (I presume they were staff - they all had high-viz vests, carrying radios, and looking important). Airside, the toilet also reminded me of Boulogne Railway station.
Once on board, the late departure was partially explained by the late re-fuelling caused by the tanker driver not being available on-time !
Returning this evening, fortunately I had a pocketful of change and a £10 note to pay at the parking machine, otherwise I would have had to join the long queue of disgruntled pax at Airport Information negotiating for an exit ticket for the car park, because the machines weren't accepting any credit cards or cash cards.
All in all, it made me appreciate that the NCL experience isn't all that bad !
Once on board, the late departure was partially explained by the late re-fuelling caused by the tanker driver not being available on-time !
Returning this evening, fortunately I had a pocketful of change and a £10 note to pay at the parking machine, otherwise I would have had to join the long queue of disgruntled pax at Airport Information negotiating for an exit ticket for the car park, because the machines weren't accepting any credit cards or cash cards.
All in all, it made me appreciate that the NCL experience isn't all that bad !
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The future of our Warsaw route is once again in doubt I'm afraid, as our flights, along with those of BFS, DTM, and their summer-only routes (BOJ, CFU etc) can only be booked until mid-September. Some other airports also look set to lose a rotation too (PIK and LPL if I remember rightly).
At this moment in time it looks like Wizz are looking to pull an aircraft out of WAW.
At this moment in time it looks like Wizz are looking to pull an aircraft out of WAW.
From bad to worse....
You heard it here first...
following TNT out of the door..is Wizz and to make matters worse...good chance even the airshow traffic is leaving for up the road !!
TUI one rotation a week next year....
GSM ...who knows ?
BMI who knows ?
KLM who knows ?
at least I can get to Aberdeen!!
Marketing doing an excellent job then !!...
following TNT out of the door..is Wizz and to make matters worse...good chance even the airshow traffic is leaving for up the road !!
TUI one rotation a week next year....
GSM ...who knows ?
BMI who knows ?
KLM who knows ?
at least I can get to Aberdeen!!
Marketing doing an excellent job then !!...
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The airshow rumour has been around for a while now, the story behind it is that managment don't think it projects the right image for the airport.
Soon though there will be no image to worry about as at this rate there will be no airport.
Questions should be asked what Peel are doing with the place at a higher level than pprune as I think we are heading for a Sheffield situation. Slowly run the place down and then close it, stating that it is no longer viable.
What I want to see is Kerry come out and deny that the place is going to close and actually give some evidence that Hugh, herself and the marketing department are actually earning their money. I'm not saying that they should reveal their negotiations with operator, but just some reasurances that people in the industry can comfirm as being true, rather than the lies and spin that we normally get from the higher managment at MME.
Soon though there will be no image to worry about as at this rate there will be no airport.
Questions should be asked what Peel are doing with the place at a higher level than pprune as I think we are heading for a Sheffield situation. Slowly run the place down and then close it, stating that it is no longer viable.
What I want to see is Kerry come out and deny that the place is going to close and actually give some evidence that Hugh, herself and the marketing department are actually earning their money. I'm not saying that they should reveal their negotiations with operator, but just some reasurances that people in the industry can comfirm as being true, rather than the lies and spin that we normally get from the higher managment at MME.
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I hear a lot of rumours about DTV being the next Sheffield and granted with all of the business park development plans going ahead it could look that way on the face of it, but the Southside Development has been rumbling on for years, in fact i did an indepth study on it for a project at my Sixth Form College ( some 9-10 years ago) and had many interviews and meetings with airport management at the time, so this is not a new thing for Peel.
In addition the land around the airport building and airside isnt really being used for anything so i can see the reason behind developing a business park, but would Peel really go to the effort of spending some £3M improving airport lighting out on the taxiways/runways just to throw those of us on PPRune off the scent and a year down the line close the airport....i doubt it at all.
You also have to remember that whilst Peel own 75% the rest is owned by local councils and whilst not in the majority, if Peel want to shut down and turn it into one big business park who is it they need building permissions from - initially or totally its the councils, so they hold a bigger key to this than just Peel.
Finally there seems to be a lot of people saying everyone is going to pull out, i cant see KLM going at all and if the charters are reducing as is planned for next year why would Globespan follow suit, they would have a near monopoly on the bucket and spade routes, if anything it should strengthen the ties.... the people in the catchment area arent suddenly going to stop going abroad nor will they all travel to NCL/Leeds/Manchester just because they like the commute to the airport if services are/were on offer at MME at the right times and price.
I think someone mentioned a while ago that 70-100 seaters are the way to go to expand the scheduled side, whilst i appreciate Flybe (obvious choice) are based at NCL and LBA to a degree, i cant see why airport and the airline havent come up with a plan for something to go from MME.
On the rumour of Wizz going, someone has said on the Wizz thread in response to DTVAirport's comments (also made in this thread) that an aircraft isnt going from WAW and Wizz are always late to load their schedules. If the pax are using it i cant see it going, if they arent then fine but until their winter schedule is up lets wait and see.
In addition the land around the airport building and airside isnt really being used for anything so i can see the reason behind developing a business park, but would Peel really go to the effort of spending some £3M improving airport lighting out on the taxiways/runways just to throw those of us on PPRune off the scent and a year down the line close the airport....i doubt it at all.
You also have to remember that whilst Peel own 75% the rest is owned by local councils and whilst not in the majority, if Peel want to shut down and turn it into one big business park who is it they need building permissions from - initially or totally its the councils, so they hold a bigger key to this than just Peel.
Finally there seems to be a lot of people saying everyone is going to pull out, i cant see KLM going at all and if the charters are reducing as is planned for next year why would Globespan follow suit, they would have a near monopoly on the bucket and spade routes, if anything it should strengthen the ties.... the people in the catchment area arent suddenly going to stop going abroad nor will they all travel to NCL/Leeds/Manchester just because they like the commute to the airport if services are/were on offer at MME at the right times and price.
I think someone mentioned a while ago that 70-100 seaters are the way to go to expand the scheduled side, whilst i appreciate Flybe (obvious choice) are based at NCL and LBA to a degree, i cant see why airport and the airline havent come up with a plan for something to go from MME.
On the rumour of Wizz going, someone has said on the Wizz thread in response to DTVAirport's comments (also made in this thread) that an aircraft isnt going from WAW and Wizz are always late to load their schedules. If the pax are using it i cant see it going, if they arent then fine but until their winter schedule is up lets wait and see.
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Its been said many times before on this board and by now only the most naive amongst us must realise, that Peel Holdings' long term plan for this site is to develop an industrial/business park, which is why the recent planning applications have all been approved. The construction of the Long Newton interchange will also facilitate this development.
Whether the airport survives as a going concern in the medium term depends solely on the Airlines, not the airports management.Only the heads of BMI, Globespan,ryanair can make those decisions. The Evening Gazette and the local worthies can make all the noise they wish,but in the real world of business and profitability what happens down at Teesside is of little significance to the airlines.
Whether the airport survives as a going concern in the medium term depends solely on the Airlines, not the airports management.Only the heads of BMI, Globespan,ryanair can make those decisions. The Evening Gazette and the local worthies can make all the noise they wish,but in the real world of business and profitability what happens down at Teesside is of little significance to the airlines.
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Right, two things, firstly KLM aren't going, as the KLM1537/8 is soon to increase to an F100 from an FK70 (albeit only for a few weeks) - they also have slots at Schiphol for a fourth daily rotation, even though they haven't used them yet.
Secondly, and I'm not sure I should be revealing this, the airshow traffic will be at MME this year - Northern Aviation have agreed to handle them. I'm not sure of the exact circumstances, but I think the airport itself said no, and Northern Aviation said that's not acceptable - we'll look after them.
Secondly, and I'm not sure I should be revealing this, the airshow traffic will be at MME this year - Northern Aviation have agreed to handle them. I'm not sure of the exact circumstances, but I think the airport itself said no, and Northern Aviation said that's not acceptable - we'll look after them.
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It really is a sad state of affairs when people at DTV are fighting to keep the Airshow traffic; I'm sure that no-one 'up the road' is shedding a tear, especially those at Samson, that they won't have the 'delights' of the Airshow wingers and scroungers.
It might be nice for the spotters to have this lot be be assured, as a handling agent, they are one BIG pain in the butt.
If DTV management did try to offload this then there might just be some hope for them yet.
GH
It might be nice for the spotters to have this lot be be assured, as a handling agent, they are one BIG pain in the butt.
If DTV management did try to offload this then there might just be some hope for them yet.
GH
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I absolutely agree with Parsnips view. 
Just to add to this in my view Peel don't have an issue with DTV in any form other than that from a business perspective i.e. they are there to maximise the return on their investment for the benefit of their shareholders. More of an issue is to over what length of term they are considering for such a return. They, more than anyone will be aware that growth rates in regional airports are falling and in low profile regional airports with poor track records then to 'buck the trend' with lower pax volumes is even more difficult. Peel will have absolutely no plans to close the airport, merely to allow it to run alongside as much alternate development as they are able to undertake & get away with. Expenditure of £3m on lighting is presumably all part of the necessity to maintain the airports essential opertaing standards and can't be taken as a signal to anything else, as is expenditure on the general airport facilities. An abstract from 6 May Airport Press release is interesting :-
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I would be very suprised indeed to see any expenditure directed to extending the footprint of the current facilities, but incredibly the press release actually talks up freight growth knowing that it's major 'aviation related' cargo operator TNT is witdrawing service. Now is this a 'head in the sand' strategy or more like one that will endorse significant planning applications for the alternate use of airport land?
Just to add to this in my view Peel don't have an issue with DTV in any form other than that from a business perspective i.e. they are there to maximise the return on their investment for the benefit of their shareholders. More of an issue is to over what length of term they are considering for such a return. They, more than anyone will be aware that growth rates in regional airports are falling and in low profile regional airports with poor track records then to 'buck the trend' with lower pax volumes is even more difficult. Peel will have absolutely no plans to close the airport, merely to allow it to run alongside as much alternate development as they are able to undertake & get away with. Expenditure of £3m on lighting is presumably all part of the necessity to maintain the airports essential opertaing standards and can't be taken as a signal to anything else, as is expenditure on the general airport facilities. An abstract from 6 May Airport Press release is interesting :-
The airport is currently only operating at 50% of its capacity, so there is room to grow passengers before growing the airport. However, development plans - funded by a £56m cash injection from owner Peel Airports - include a business park and airport hotel to the north. Meanwhile the south side will host the Skylink International Business Park, which will create a large-scale freight distribution centre and boost cargo through the airport from 1000 tonnes to a predicted 25,000 tonnes by 2015
I would be very suprised indeed to see any expenditure directed to extending the footprint of the current facilities, but incredibly the press release actually talks up freight growth knowing that it's major 'aviation related' cargo operator TNT is witdrawing service. Now is this a 'head in the sand' strategy or more like one that will endorse significant planning applications for the alternate use of airport land?