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The times are

ZRH-ORK: 11:40-13:05
ORL-ZRH: 13:50-17:05

Clearly this is primarily aimed at the leisure market, in particular Swiss visitors to Ireland, although a number of pharmaceutical firms will welcome the period when Mon-Fri is possible,

It adds competition on some connections, particularly to Central Europe and the Eastern Med, but also to some long-haul destinations, such as Seoul, Hong Kong, Johannnesburg and Cape Town (not that there's much demand for there June-September)

[EIBoston]

US DOT issues order for permit for NAI. Almost there......

[AerRyan]

Ahm...no...

The service is gone, its commenced from BCN without the stop in Cork, there's no service.

May see a few transferred to the Irish subsidiary though, as well as a few aircraft. Possibly a flag of convience route, that's possibly what cork could fight for but still isn't looking hopeful.

[EIBoston]

There is no service? There never was one. Not sure what you are getting at? So you think now NAI won't start any service from Cork. Doubt that very much, would look rather silly if they didn't.

[AerRyan]

Look silly to who? It was never more than a pen on paper. NAI likely won't touch Cork.

[CCR]

Direct flights to the US from Cork will happen in 2017. Great news following on from Wow Air offering North American destinations via Iceland.
2017 is set to be a great year for Cork Airport!

First transatlantic flights from Cork Airport to US cleared for take-off | Irish Examiner

EXCLUSIVE: Norwegian Air granted licence paving way for first ever direct routes between Cork and US - Independent.ie

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by CCR

Direct flights to the US from Cork will happen in 2017. Great news following on from Wow Air offering North American destinations via Iceland.
2017 is set to be a great year for Cork Airport!

First transatlantic flights from Cork Airport to US cleared for take-off | Irish Examiner

EXCLUSIVE: Norwegian Air granted licence paving way for first ever direct routes between Cork and US - Independent.ie

We will see about that I'm sure! Nothing more than Eoin English's fine speculative mind.

Wow air offering connections is no different to connecting in Heathrow or Amsterdam, it was a rather sad attempt at a PR stunt. The actual route to Reykjavik is what should be praised.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

We will see about that I'm sure! Nothing more than Eoin English's fine speculative mind.

Wow air offering connections is no different to connecting in Heathrow or Amsterdam, it was a rather sad attempt at a PR stunt. The actual route to Reykjavik is what should be praised.

Would have to disagree on the Wow air comment - used the service recently from Dublin and have to say the transfer at Keflavik was seamless, 1 hour layover in the transit lounge, no requirement fir security screening and bags checked through - choice of 7-8 onward connections to the US - found it excellent actually which surprised me - that said up against a direct service with likes of Norwegian it may struggle - thinking wow would be good fit for somewhere like knock with no US competition - good product though IMO

[AerRyan]

See what happens when your connection is 30mins late and you've to wait another 48 hours for the next flight as has happened to a close friend of mine.

And disagree about it suiting Knock, but that's not for this thread.

I see no basis for the ORK-BOS service to operate now, as it was announced as part of a Barcelona flight which has now itself started independently. It'll be soon forgotten, no annoehcnemeng will be made, and it'll be a few months until we hear if it again. Hope I'm wrong but I doubt I will be.

[EIBoston]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

See what happens when your connection is 30mins late and you've to wait another 48 hours for the next flight as has happened to a close friend of mine.

And disagree about it suiting Knock, but that's not for this thread.

I see no basis for the ORK-BOS service to operate now, as it was announced as part of a Barcelona flight which has now itself started independently. It'll be soon forgotten, no annoehcnemeng will be made, and it'll be a few months until we hear if it again. Hope I'm wrong but I doubt I will be.

It doesn't really matter if you don't see a basis for ORK-BOS. Only matters what NAI thinks. Why would they go to all the trouble in this and not start the route? Yes I know they can now start any route they like(??) but I doubt if they were going to go flat out getting support from DAA and Irish authorities and then turn around and not operate the route in question. Your cynicism on this whole NAI issue makes me think you actually don't want the service to start and it is in fact a very personal thing with you. Very strange tbh.

[barrymah]

Blast from the past time.

I used the Luxembourg - Reykavik - Kennedy and Baltimore many times when transatlantic was expensive and monopolised.

Never had any issues, in fact I know that Icelandair used to wait for the incoming, if it was only a short delay. Maybe Westjet don't have such good relations with Icelandair, or don't care if their ongoing has left??

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by EIBoston

It doesn't really matter if you don't see a basis for ORK-BOS. Only matters what NAI thinks. Why would they go to all the trouble in this and not start the route? Yes I know they can now start any route they like(??) but I doubt if they were going to go flat out getting support from DAA and Irish authorities and then turn around and not operate the route in question. Your cynicism on this whole NAI issue makes me think you actually don't want the service to start and it is in fact a very personal thing with you. Very strange tbh.

I've made valid and true points, and all you've done is make poor counter arguments! You're well aware why NAI wanted the licence, why they used Cork as political bait and why they now won't start a service, its all quite clear and makes sence.

Norwegian want an Irish licence so that it can continue to find loopholes to further erode working conditions for us in the aviation industry, if I take it personally anywhere it is here. Cork doesn't have a transatlantic route and the local populace feel strongly about this, it will gain political support as Irish people seem to think the government have the power to interfere with private businesses (see Aer Lingus at Shannon, and also how many Irish people expect high welfare, the best healthcare, the best schools and colleges, the best infrastructure as well as no taxes to pay for it).

Norwegian get DAA support because they know it'll make the DAA look like they are actually doing something at Cork (which they are doing anyway but is always quickly forgotten), they get the government support because the government know very little about the subject and just feel better to listen to the cowboy opposition.

Low and behold, Norwegian get their licence, if asked they say "oh Barcelona-Boston started already without the stop in Cork due to the delays with the licence" and then there is no route, Norwegian have the licence they want and Ireland is none the better for it.

And this is what happens when people just want want want without due consideration, especially considering I've seen many people in support of Cork who don't care about the worsening of labour conditions, they just so badly need the flight that they'll never use to sleep at night. Easy to know they don't work in the industry.

Have I explained my viewpoint?

[blaggerman]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

Norwegian want an Irish licence so that it can continue to find loopholes to further erode working conditions for us in the aviation industry

What are NAI doing that any other EU-based operator could not also do? If you are worried about a race to the bottom, then the issue is not with any one carrier but with any law that allows it, because many others will follow.

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by blaggerman

What are NAI doing that any other EU-based operator could not also do? If you are worried about a race to the bottom, then the issue is not with any one carrier but with any law that allows it, because many others will follow.

Agreed that it is a problem with the law, this should not be allowed. Any other airline could follow, but notice they don't. Norwegian are the only airline in Europe that hires crew on Asian contracts to pay them ridiculously low wages. We need more regulation to stop this. With so much regulation already its amazing that this is allowed to happen in the first place.

[EIBoston]

I am not making any counter arguments. I totally understand what NAI are doing and to be honest as a consumer I am fine with it, as are most consumers.(especially the folks who have to pay EI ~$1000 for a direct return trip to SNN during the summer season)
And yes I understand your viewpoint especially with respect to folks in the industry that feel threatened by this. However this is the world we live in today. Those kind of considerations will not even be looked at by the DAA, politicians etc.(be it right or wrong)
Look you clearly have your personal feelings on this and I respect that but your posts on this topic are based on what you want to happen and not actually what is going to happen. There is a big difference.

[cloudier]

Norwegian can operate from Rome that way they operate two flights that are badly needed in Cork

[ayroplain]

Have I explained my viewpoint?

You have, indeed, explained your position but I get the sense that this same viewpoint was around at the time that the likes of easyJet and Ryanair were coming on the scene. The low fare airlines have since created thousands of jobs in their own companies and at airports everywhere that would never have happened otherwise. Some people seem to forget that. They have also enabled millions of passengers to use short-haul air travel like never before. Tourism revenues have vastly increased accordingly. It’s long overdue for T/A long-haul to be challenged in the same fashion.

This made-up “race to the bottom” terminology means nothing and is a poor excuse for a mindset that wanted access to airline travel restricted to the rich and famous and keep fares high to support exorbitant wages. Remember that it’s only twenty years since LHR-DUB was £400 return and air travel was restricted to the elite. If someone can buck the old trends and do T/A long-haul cheaper (with all safety requirements fulfilled) then good luck to them.

[BigFrank]

Ay, there's the rub...

"If someone can buck the old trends and do T/A long-haul cheaper (with all safety requirements fulfilled) then good luck to them."

An ironic (sic) post on the Cork Airport thread.

Says I.

Do you remember 10th Feb 2013?

Ever heard of Manx2?

I don't think that they exist any more.

Well, at least, they don't call themselves Manx2, for sure.

In the words of Wiki:

The aircraft, destroyed in the accident, was a Fairchild SA 227-BC Metro III, c/n BC-789B, registration EC-ITP.
1. It was owned by a Spanish bank and
2. leased toLíneas Aéreas de Andalucía,
3. known as Air Lada based in Seville, Spain.
4. The aircraft was subleased to Flightline S.L. and was on the Air operator's certificate(AOC) of Flightline, which is based in Barcelona, Spain.
5. Tickets were sold by Manx2 which was based in the Isle of Man.

Have any of the above 5 outfits ( ¿you can provide your own adjective ?) been held in any way whatsoever accountable?

As the satirical London based fortnightly Private Eye always says: "I think we should be told."

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by ayroplain

You have, indeed, explained your position but I get the sense that this same viewpoint was around at the time that the likes of easyJet and Ryanair were coming on the scene. The low fare airlines have since created thousands of jobs in their own companies and at airports everywhere that would never have happened otherwise. Some people seem to forget that. They have also enabled millions of passengers to use short-haul air travel like never before. Tourism revenues have vastly increased accordingly. It’s long overdue for T/A long-haul to be challenged in the same fashion.

This made-up “race to the bottom” terminology means nothing and is a poor excuse for a mindset that wanted access to airline travel restricted to the rich and famous and keep fares high to support exorbitant wages. Remember that it’s only twenty years since LHR-DUB was £400 return and air travel was restricted to the elite. If someone can buck the old trends and do T/A long-haul cheaper (with all safety requirements fulfilled) then good luck to them.

Why should consumers care about the poor working conditions for staff in the industry sums up a lot of the argument.

What Ryanair and Easyjet did massively helped growth in the industry, this can't be denied. All Ryanair staff are on Irish contracts, in every base in Europe. The pay is good, despite what its made out to be, but has gotten a bit low to justify the expense needed for training.

Norwegian is terrible news, Long haul travel has itself become cheaper and cheaper, you can get an off peak return to EG Boston from SNN for less than €400! Norwegian won't help prices. They'll strip down services but not pay prices.

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In slightly less positive news, the Flybe Cardiff route is shown down to once weekly from next June.

Flybe still have some flights to release, but there doesn't seem to be scope for their Cardiff-based aircraft to fly it. So, unless they are planning some kind of W, it will be once a week on a Saturday for the summer.

I'm not sure that route is sustainable on a once a week basis.