CORK - 5

[EIBoston]

The more I look into the ORK-BOS/JFK routes, the more I am getting concerned about it. First of all the permit has a cooling period of 61 days before tickets can be sold. So Trump will be in office by then and while I don't think he will revert the decision, you just never know.

Also some of the press reports I read and Enda Kenny's speech from New York, seems to suggest that SNN-BOS is being considered as an alternative. Surely that should be as an addition and not an alternative if the Cork routes were already settled on. AerRyan may not be far off here , that NAI will never touch Cork. All getting a little strange and I think we may see some more twists and turns on this one yet. Only time will tell I guess...

[AerRyan]

I'd have to agree with the above, but I'd also like to point out that Shannon had infact a deal done with Norweigan before Cork.

Hope the SNN management protected the BOS and JFK routes.

[Jamie2k9]

I'd have to agree with the above, but I'd also like to point out that Shannon had infact a deal done with Norweigan before Cork.

Hope the SNN management protected the BOS and JFK routes.

That would be a deal under Neil Parsley, so I think you know the answer....

I do however expect Cork to have a service ahead of Shannon that is if the deal sticks as there has already been some discontent in the US by politicians.

In slightly less positive news, the Flybe Cardiff route is shown down to once weekly from next June.

Flybe still have some flights to release, but there doesn't seem to be scope for their Cardiff-based aircraft to fly it. So, unless they are planning some kind of W, it will be once a week on a Saturday for the summer.

I'm not sure that route is sustainable on a once a week basis.

Wouldn't worry, suspect Saturdays carried better numbers. No ideal but Tuesday flights were just as useless.

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

That would be a deal under Neil Parsley, so I think you know the answer....

Neil Pakey, (note Pakey) also laid the foundations for both the Frankfurt and Stockholm routes, and they have arrived this year haven't they?

[Copenhagen]

If Shannon has offered a deal to New York and Boston, EI will, in most probability, take their 757s back to Dublin.

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by Copenhagen

If Shannon has offered a deal to New York and Boston, EI will, in most probability, take their 757s back to Dublin.

Back to Dublin? They were there in the first place? News to me.

Shannon would be stupid to do, but that's not for here.

[840]

Wouldn't worry, suspect Saturdays carried better numbers. No ideal but Tuesday flights were just as useless.

Saturdays carried better numbers, but it will take people off the Saturday flight. I suspect Cardiff-Cork carries a lot of people travelling for a short period. Those going for a week are likely to take the car on the boat considering cost of flights and hire car and the fact it's not all that long by car.

[Copenhagen]

Ryan, don't be such a pedant.

EI won't lose money flying long haul ex SNN, and will operate the aircraft from Dublin instead. Shannon has done deals with airlines that harm the overall connectivity of the airport for short term gains. WX @ CDG and RE @ MAN come to mind of two routes killed by other carriers.

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by Copenhagen

Ryan, don't be such a pedant.

EI won't lose money flying long haul ex SNN, and will operate the aircraft from Dublin instead. Shannon has done deals with airlines that harm the overall connectivity of the airport for short term gains. WX @ CDG and RE @ MAN come to mind of two routes killed by other carriers.

There's really no need to point out the obivous.
Also the code RE is not used anymore.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

I'd have to agree with the above, but I'd also like to point out that Shannon had infact a deal done with Norweigan before Cork.

Hope the SNN management protected the BOS and JFK routes.

Despite what ye say cork services will start next year - if you read the Norwegian release closely and previous notes they keep referring to New York and Boston areas so it's highly likely the services won't operate to Boston but more likely to Rhode Island in providence And one of the smaller airports in New York - I expect Shannon to follow with Rhode Island service in 2018 but possibly next year

[AerRyan]

As I see it at the moment,

Norwegian may actually start in Cork, but it will be short lived.

Norwegian start in SNN, likely resulting in the loss of Aer Lingus, reduce services then after.

Norwegian start in DUB, fight off and slow Aer Lingus growth significantly.

[brian_dromey]

Norwegian are an interesting operation. No one has made long haul low cost work, ORK-BOS is a long thin route, operating it with the 737MAX is unusual but potentially revolutionary. I understand why people in the industry are concerned about the terms and conditions at Norwegian, and a number of their associated companies. There are some potential safety concerns with third party crew providers at Norwegian. Although ininderstad those crew providers are common throughout the industry.

I do hope Norwegian make this work. I don't think it's certain that Norwegian will harm Aer Lingus, they seem to do just fine against Ryanair on short haul routes.

[AerRyan]

Seems the flights won't be to Boston but infact to T.F green airport, around an hour from Boston.

That'll do great things for sustainability! (Not)

[EIBoston]

Is that for real? TF Green is in Rhode Island and claiming that it is Boston is right out of the FR playbook. Disappointing if true.

[AerRyan]

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/business_markets/2016/12/norwegian_air_grounds_logan_for_ireland_flights

Aritcle above.

[EIBoston]

Ends my interest in the route. Can't see it working. Driving down I-95 to catch an evening flight from TF Green is just not worth it to the majority of folks who are based in the Boston area.

[CONAIR11]

If the folks in Cork wont drive up the road for a flight to Boston then why should they expect the folks in Boston to drive down the road to get a flight to Cork.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

Seems the flights won't be to Boston but infact to T.F green airport, around an hour from Boston.

That'll do great things for sustainability! (Not)

I did point that out guys above and this was flagged a week ago if you look at the news coverage - Shannon and cork will both serve providence and when it comes on stream New York will most likely be one of the lesser airports i.e. Stewart airport or similar - low cost they can't make these routes work low cost flying into Boston of JFK - it's the Ryanair approach all
Over again ! Hope it works !!

[Una Due Tfc]

One of the arguments for this service was big wigs in Apple and the various Pharmaceutical companies in Cork being able to fly in from the States instead of via LHR etc. Given that Norwegian don't codeshare, and won't be flying to airports were connections are possible, these services will need to survive on purely P2P. The US majors and EI are taking connections from all over North America through the US hubs into SNN and DUB (often into one and out if the other), I think they'll be okay.

[840]

They were always flagged up as P2P, but the secondary airports is a new development. Providence would actually suit Pfizer and EMC, being close to their research HQ and corporate HQ respectively.

For othe companies, WOW probably offer more potential, with an onward service to San Francisco in particular.